Why would he point it out today with no provocation?
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Persona Mafia |OT| Memento Mori
- Thread starter CrimsonFist
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Sure she was. You know, the Gafia mods are all about their sense of humor when they're running their games. Go ahead, try it.
Now. It's just for this phase. I also can't do any night action but as I'm a normal townie I don't care. But that probably means that I'm not the only one who will be visited during the night with the offer.
I was going to vote Style but it was to close to turbo and FEP said to let it go. I was ok with it.
Also when Star pulled the plug was watching Dr Strange.
Sure she was. You know, the Gafia mods are all about their sense of humor when they're running their games. Go ahead, try it.
Sometimes it's difficult to spot written sarcasm but I'm going to take my chances and don't follow your advise.
StarSketch
Banned
Exmachina, let's say you're wrong about me being scum. You too plop, since you guys are going at me particularly hard.
You do realize that hounding me the entire day makes you look scummy when I flip town, right?
You do realize that hounding me the entire day makes you look scummy when I flip town, right?
exmachina64
Banned
That's a chance I'm willing to take. I went hard against Exodu5 and tried to be a vocal opponent of Style. I'm going hard against you because I don't expect to survive Night 3 if you're scum.
Zippedpinhead
Member
Here's the rub... you also didn't vote on day 1...
exmachina64
Banned
But hey!
If you survive today, you can use your power to lie about me and say I'm scum!
flatearthpandas
Member
I probably would have tracked n2, yeah, but eh. I would be pretty surprised if either star or fran end up scum. Too weird in the votes.
Fran did vote n1. He was voting against machina, in favor of exodu5.
Fran did vote n1. He was voting against machina, in favor of exodu5.
WTF?????!!!!!
I voted for exmachina!!! We spend all day 2 discussing my vote with Hyper!!!! Hyper scumreaded me because of that vote. Have you been following the game??
He did on BlackBuzzard and left it for something like 100 posts without receiving a warning. Though if your theory is that he can't vote as a result of using some power then I suppose it would not have applied on day one.
Zippedpinhead
Member
I'm so very very wrong
Zippedpinhead
Member
But not that you and PK are working together it still seems awfully convenient.
exmachina64
Banned
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Just to clarify, I'm not fully convinced you're scum. I'm just asking questions and hoping to get convincing answers. I don't have a lynch vote on you or anyone else yet.
If I do eventually vote for you and you flip town, I'd hope that the fact that I threw shade at Exodu5 before the votes started rolling in against him, and the fact that I was all over Style after Night 1 made it pretty clear he was lying about his PR claim shows I'm town.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
For the record, I'm awfully intrigued by this PK/fran connection, and I'm still not at all comfortable with the silence coming from Matt Attack and Buzzard (mostly).
No partner. I didn't interacted with PK in the same way I didn't interacted with Matt Attack or WAMD. Didn't have anything to say about their post, they usually post at hours that I'm not here and when I can post it has already been discussed, there was nothing that seemed relevant to me.
PK biggest moments were when he went after flux, which was when I was sleeping and when he went after exodus, which was when I was at work. Besides those 2 moments there wasn't much from PK.
exmachina64
Banned
I could be convinced to vote for Matt Attack, he's been on my radar for a while.
StarSketch
Banned
Are you trying to tell me not to track you because you're scum or because I won't find anything of interest?
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Wow, WAMD...so silent I completely forgot she was playing.
Unless she's gifted with the power of a Persona of the Narcoleptic Arcana, I can't say I'm comfortable with how quiet she's been.
Also, Vanguard. Someone brought up how Sorian was suspicious of him. Anyone else have some points they want to make in that direction?
We shouldn't waste day three, and I'd argue we don't have as clear a lynch target as we did for day two.
Unless she's gifted with the power of a Persona of the Narcoleptic Arcana, I can't say I'm comfortable with how quiet she's been.
Also, Vanguard. Someone brought up how Sorian was suspicious of him. Anyone else have some points they want to make in that direction?
We shouldn't waste day three, and I'd argue we don't have as clear a lynch target as we did for day two.
I spoke about it in a post near the last day end. I'll go back and find it when I'm not on mobile if someone else hasn't.
Here's what Exodus had to say about him before he was lynched day 1:
It seems weird. Like he made a town read without much justification. It seems forced to me.
I pretty much asked WAMD about inactivity day 2 and got the equivalent of 'tough shit' back =/
exmachina64
Banned
Are you trying to tell me not to track you because you're scum or because I won't find anything of interest?
I'm not very interesting, but you're more than welcome to track me.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
True, but to be fair, he also placed me as town (which is true) and said I'm a strong player (which is false). So I can't really read too much into that post.
However, did Style post any interesting opinions on Vanguard (or vice versa)?
Here it is, my extended thoughts on Vanguard. There could be more stuff since this post though. I'll look through when I'm not on mobile (which I still am, I just looked the old fashioned way to find this).
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
That's not to say Style's impressions carry more weight than Exodu5's. But if they both gave weak reasoning for town reads, it at least shows a trend if nothing else.
I'll check if nobody else gets to it. I'm just on mobile at the moment.
I'll check if nobody else gets to it. I'm just on mobile at the moment.
Style consistently made posts about Vanguard being scum.
As for Vanguard, well, his did the RNG vote for Style, and started to suspect that Style was scum later into day one. Didn't believe Style's roleclaim.
After reading back I didn't find anything too interesting, they both believed that the other was scum.
Matt Attack
Member
I had an important interview today, so I apologize for not checking in until now. As for the end of last day phase, this isn't really a good excuse, but I was actually pretty demoralized when Style refused to defend himself. I put in a little effort on his behalf and got kind of upset when he just posted the dumb bird gif. This should go without saying, but I'm glad I didn't sway anybody in the end though, my Style read was incorrect.
I believed in him the entire last day phase, not just briefly. I'm frankly baffled that he ended up being scum, because I really thought my reasoning was sound, but strange things happen I suppose. At the very least, scum must've thought he was a lost cause because there was basically zero effort to steer the vote away from him. The natural assumption there is that he got bussed hard, which again seems like a baffling decision, considering scum was already down one man.
For anybody suspecting me for defending Style: Please, I would be far more suspicious of anybody who stayed mostly mum on the issue. Scum may not have thought they could save him, but I doubt too many of their remaining number were that interested in in doing the work themselves. As for me, we had an effectively unanimous player base D2 that wanted Style dead. For that to happen, this early in the game? That's pretty much unprecedented, at least in any of the games that I've been in. It was suspicious as hell. Combined with Style's super strange behavior, you'd better believe I'd defend him. It screamed of "scum is going to sit back and let town do their dirty work". It didn't pan out that way, but that was my mindset at the time.
I believed in him the entire last day phase, not just briefly. I'm frankly baffled that he ended up being scum, because I really thought my reasoning was sound, but strange things happen I suppose. At the very least, scum must've thought he was a lost cause because there was basically zero effort to steer the vote away from him. The natural assumption there is that he got bussed hard, which again seems like a baffling decision, considering scum was already down one man.
For anybody suspecting me for defending Style: Please, I would be far more suspicious of anybody who stayed mostly mum on the issue. Scum may not have thought they could save him, but I doubt too many of their remaining number were that interested in in doing the work themselves. As for me, we had an effectively unanimous player base D2 that wanted Style dead. For that to happen, this early in the game? That's pretty much unprecedented, at least in any of the games that I've been in. It was suspicious as hell. Combined with Style's super strange behavior, you'd better believe I'd defend him. It screamed of "scum is going to sit back and let town do their dirty work". It didn't pan out that way, but that was my mindset at the time.
Somehow I missed this yesterday:
I talked about Style several times. I didn't believed his roleclaim, it sounded to OP:
And I have stated he should be killed day 2 since day 1:
This really sound like something a Style partner would say?
I talked about Style several times. I didn't believed his roleclaim, it sounded to OP:
And I have stated he should be killed day 2 since day 1:
This really sound like something a Style partner would say?
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Yeah well I had a shit day yesterday. I failed a major test and got called into my flight chief's office because they were concerned about my well being, so I spent the whole day at mental health. I don't know what else you want from me
I'm vanilla town. I have no new info to offer whatsoever which makes me slightly disinterested in the game. Take it how you will, but I'm town.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Wow, actually having a life. Fuck me, right?
flatearthpandas
Member
Since you're here, care to share some thoughts?
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
While I am hesitant to believe Star's claim, her attitude strikes me as a frustrated townie. So my gut is telling me to look elsewhere. Bad play or no, if she's town, she's town. So plop's notion of "she has to go" seems counterproductive.
Still think Buzzard is scum. Natiko gives me strong town vibes. Matt Attack is probably my number two scum ATM.
CrimsonFist
Member
"All You Clowns"
Hey, you!
How long are you going to wear that ugly mask?
You know you ain't got the guts for this task.
Cover yourself with paint
You're actin' like you aint'
Afraid of whatcha got in store for your fate
You think you got me? Well, that's too bad!
'Cuz I ain't stupid enough to get had!
So drop the pathetic act
I wanna dance and that's a fact
Now quit your gawkin' and start to react!
YEAH-YEAH! Now DANCE!
starsketch (1)
exmachina64 1357
plop (1)
flatearthpandas 1416
Day Ends:
Majority is 8 votes
Hey, you!
How long are you going to wear that ugly mask?
You know you ain't got the guts for this task.
Cover yourself with paint
You're actin' like you aint'
Afraid of whatcha got in store for your fate
You think you got me? Well, that's too bad!
'Cuz I ain't stupid enough to get had!
So drop the pathetic act
I wanna dance and that's a fact
Now quit your gawkin' and start to react!
YEAH-YEAH! Now DANCE!
starsketch (1)
exmachina64 1357
plop (1)
flatearthpandas 1416
Day Ends:
Majority is 8 votes
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Sorry, but could you point me to where I said she has to go if she's town? I posted yesterday without much sleep, so it's possible I made a mistake and said something that stupid, but I don't remember it.
In fact, if you look here, I said I'm not even convinced she is scum and that I'm not 100% sure I would wind up voting for her.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
No, you're right. I fucked up and realized your posts about that referred to Style, not Star. My bad.
Being an ordinary town is not excuse to be disinterested in the game. You can help town in a lot of ways beside having a role. Engaging in discuss, looking for connections and pointing out contradictions can be more important that having a role.
I want to read something from Vanguard and Buzzard. Vanguard may be my top scum now and Buzzard could be too. Also, the phase just started so don't read muchas into it, but Hyper didn't posted to much today. Way less than what we are used of him.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Right but Style was a special circumstance where even if he were town, he acted against us and had the power to kill someone on his own (or so he claimed).
Plus he stunk of scum.
I had a thought. So as I learned from Sorian scum chat is available prior to the game start. Due to that it was theoretically possible they instructed Star to make that post prior to game start referencing her role pm.
Here's my question though - the game runners surely have access to and monitor the scum chat right? If so, would a plan that involves posting prior to the game start even be allowed by them or would they view that as disingenuous to the rules of the game and step in?
I'm honestly not sure, but I was wondering if others with more experience may know or have an example they can put to either way from a previous game. Just a point I thought I should mention in case it helps our discussion regarding Star one way or the other.
Here's my question though - the game runners surely have access to and monitor the scum chat right? If so, would a plan that involves posting prior to the game start even be allowed by them or would they view that as disingenuous to the rules of the game and step in?
I'm honestly not sure, but I was wondering if others with more experience may know or have an example they can put to either way from a previous game. Just a point I thought I should mention in case it helps our discussion regarding Star one way or the other.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
So i was right from the start and Style was scum /shocked
Star you are not giving me good vibes here, i find it weird that you haven't at least used your power once. At this moment im not going to vote on you because i do not see any reason for it.
Matt Attack your defence of Style just struck me as odd even with all of Style's shady behaviour you still believed he was town and had a role.
Exmachine you decided to withdraw your vote from Style because you didn't want to make it easy for scum, yet you are now the first person to start a vote on Star who has acted far less shady then Style outside of trying to unvote at the last minute.
Fran frankly i do not believe your night pm, i don't even see the reason for such an item so maybe im missing something here.
Star you are not giving me good vibes here, i find it weird that you haven't at least used your power once. At this moment im not going to vote on you because i do not see any reason for it.
Matt Attack your defence of Style just struck me as odd even with all of Style's shady behaviour you still believed he was town and had a role.
Exmachine you decided to withdraw your vote from Style because you didn't want to make it easy for scum, yet you are now the first person to start a vote on Star who has acted far less shady then Style outside of trying to unvote at the last minute.
Fran frankly i do not believe your night pm, i don't even see the reason for such an item so maybe im missing something here.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
This isn't my first rodeo. I've played vanilla town before. My point is I usually have nothing new to offer and I'm not the sort of player to parrot what others have said. I don't have the time nor the energy to sit here and type 1,000 words of analysis. But I read the thread and when I have something to add or a question, I'll voice it.
I'm not saying you're wrong. You don't need to explain yourself.
Scum chat is available from the moment you receive your role PM. However, I really don't see the point in metagaming the possibility that they told Star to make a certain post. Tons of people have soft claimed or breadcrumbed in the dicking around chat nature of the pre-game.
Well, except 1 or 2 players all of us were after Style as soon as he voted Vanguard to please Sorian, so there isn't much town credit to gain from it.
I don't know specifics as Sophia don't want to share the info with me (I asked) but I think I was targeted in some way because I got the PM on monday (28/11), way into the night phase. That makes me think that it's not a regular mechanic of the game but an action from a player. The PM was also weird, it said that someone was targeting me suspecting I was scum so I could buy the think to gain a leverage.
And when I was informed that I couldn't vote (I received that PM an hour before day start) the PM said that I regained 2HP, but don't know what it means. It could be just flavour.
Just want to chim in and say that I absolutely refuse to vote for Sketch or even franconp for that matter.
I was 100% right about Sketch being a power role (HEHE) and franconp is such an obvious town.
I think voting for either for them is an incredibly bad move, and before anyone goes "HMMM, SUSPICIOUS!" I assure that I don't have any ulterior motives besides winning the game.
I was 100% right about Sketch being a power role (HEHE) and franconp is such an obvious town.
I think voting for either for them is an incredibly bad move, and before anyone goes "HMMM, SUSPICIOUS!" I assure that I don't have any ulterior motives besides winning the game.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Thanks for explaining it a bit more in depth, i don't know what to think of it cause its just such a strange item/mechanic.
So you don't think it's odd that Star opted to not use even one charge of her power despite the increasing likelihood she would not have a chance to use it in subsequent nights?
exmachina64
Banned
When I first read your explanation, I wondered if you had been targeted for death and the rancid gravy saved you at the cost of being able to vote. The idea that someone was targeting you to see if you were scum would line up with StarSketch's power, but she says she didn't use hers.
That's an idea I hadn't considered. It's really hard to say without having knowledge of what all roles are possible. I still think it's curious that we didn't hear about this after night one. Makes me think it's either limited use or someone is holding back some info.
Didn't she say she was waiting for the perfect opportunity to use it? The longer the game goes on, the less of a chance she has to make use out of it, but if she actually finds someone worth using it could seriously change the course of the game.
High risk, high reward.
In any case, I still don't think should have laughed at her role if she were scum on day 1.