Yet they are and they will continue to do so. Not everyone has to look at the numbers rating system in exactly the same way. We've already brought up how even a 7/10 is still a Good game but because a lot of people are from the USA a 7 is average and could even be bordering on bad. 65/100 is a failing grade in a lot of US schools.
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The Last Guardian: Review Thread
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Yet they are and they will continue to do so. Not everyone has to look at the numbers rating system in exactly the same way. We've already brought up how even a 7/10 is still a Good game but because a lot of people are from the USA a 7 is average and could even be bordering on bad. 65/100 is a failing grade in a lot of US schools.
Hmm I thought the XV scores were much closer together? (8s mostly?)
Omnistalgic
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what should they use when they are describing something that can't be measured in absolutes but think it deserves their highest recommendation?
99.9?
It's absolutely not at all constantly under 20 fps on base Ps4. There is one single instance when it reaches 20 fps but it's mostly averaging at 25 fps.
Just watched the digital foundry video and i wish i didn't because there are quite a bit of new areas Sony didn't show yet.
It's almost as if there's some critical flaw in trying to standardize review scores
More_Badass
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Z..
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This is even sadder than the other post.
LastMinuteHero
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Off-topic but wow if I was in the us my engineering project would be screwed then.
Jeronimo Jones
Member
My thoughts from the review embargo thread seem on track, though it is early.
Jeronimo Jones said:
Because a book, you read.. a movie, you watch... music, you listen.
A game is something you play... FPS and clunky mechanics affect that gameplay. Im sure its a decent game, and ill play it... but saying that "negative reviews dont understand his vision" is pretty dumb lol
Ghost Slayer
Member
I droped that thread way too soon because of the negative in that thread so you may be right. I I should check those scores again
They can use what ever they want if they feel it deserves that score.
That's kinda my argument. If you're saying that a video game isn't measured in absolutes, then don't use a 10. I personally think a 10 is justifiable, but rarely. Like, Metroid Prime. That's a 10 to me, because I can't think of anything wrong with the game. I hope I make sense.
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
Yup. the FFXIII = bad meme was tired in 2010, now it's just sad. It's a better game than FFXV and Lightning is one of the most beloved protagonists in the series, 2nd only to Cloud. She got a whole trilogy to herself (XIII-2 is one of the best Final Fantasies).
It's cute seeing people try and trash great games like FFXIII, Metal Gear Solid 4 & 5, and Zero Time Dilemma, when the fact is all of them achieved great reviews and have large fan bases. The Last Guardian didn't review as well as any of those, which is a shame, but no need to drag other games down to make yourself feel better. TLG reviews aren't the 90+ we all expected, but it's not a Star Fox Zero situation where the game is getting raked over the coals so calm down and enjoy it.
Again,exactly like in the FF XV review thread.
illmatic22
Banned
Yup. Pretty sad tbh. Same thing happened in the FFXV thread too.
And not all reviewers, review websites and so on go by this thinking. A 10/10 for many doesn't mean its perfect but its the highest recommendation they can give on playing its game.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Exactly and now that FFXV is at 85 or so and TLG is at 83, they're desperately trying to move goalposts in a poor attempt to show that those are in any way bad scores.
jacksepticeye
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First piece of advice I'd give anyone is to bump the camera sensitivity way up. It's far too slow by default and will piss people off. There IS a lot of jank in the game like in shadow and ico but it never made me want to quit or spoil the experience.
I also think pet owner will love this game
I also think pet owner will love this game
LastMinuteHero
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This should be added in the ot later
Oh hey what do i win
How likely is it that there will be a performance patch for normal ps4?
Should I wait ?
We'll probably get one soon. We can always wait. The game is not going to run away once it's been released.
jacksepticeye
Member
I should also add that the camera does this bizarre fade to black thing when it gets caught in the environment that can be very annoying when doing puzzles, especially ones under a time constraint
Multiple reviewers didn't mention the Trico issues at all. Doesn't mean the criticisms aren't valid - but if you had read three different reviews that never mentioned the issue, would you be buying the game right now?
PS re the bolded, the consensus is that the game is drop-dead gorgeous. It's not 'dated visuals' so much as a clearly troubled development that has led to some performance issues.
Already Torn
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If I got a 65/100 on any project or assignment I'd quit in shame if I didn't die of embarrassment first.No wonder US is falling behind in Math when 65 is deemed a failing grade.
US would be falling behind in Math even more if 65 was considered anywhere near acceptable performance in Math classes.
GravityInsanity
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What did he say?
Omnistalgic
Member
Yeah, I try to be objective with reviews that have lower scores, IGN gave the game a 7, so we know it's not going to be universally accepted.
But the way digital trend starting off with "We waited 10 years for this?" ehhh...I just tend to take those hyperbolic reviews less serious. If you don't have enough sense/knowledge to know the game hasn't been in active development for 10 years and how that statement is misleading, I just don't know how much weight your opinions has.
Aslo Y2Kev is the authority on TLG!
OMG if Colin from KF like it, then pigs will be flying when I get up for coffee break and look out the window.
TheKingOfPain
Member
The game runs frequently at 25fps, with dips to 20.
On Pro, forcing 1080p resolution, it runs almost locked at 30fps.
I'm on the same boat as you guys, I'll be buying this at a later date (also because of backlog).
Acquiescence
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Cue a hundred replies saying Final Fantasy 6 isn't perfect.
i got bored and stopped playing it about a third of the way through
DoubleTake
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So if a teacher assigns you an essay to write, with multiple criteria to meet, and she gives you a 100(or 10/10) what do you say then?
Using numbers to measure quality is inherently arbitrary. But its what humans decided to do. Knowing that allows us to understand that when something/one scores a 100 or 10/10 it doesnt mean the game or paper was perfect.
Scales for grading are only concrete and conpletely objective when the test taken is standardized. If not the influence of sudjective criticism comes into play.
Omnistalgic
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Back up to 83, we bought to catch FF15 son! lol
http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/the-last-guardian/critic-reviews
http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/the-last-guardian/critic-reviews
Ach cmon man. No need to be like that. Guy just expressed his opinion.
Yep. Because we all know Final Fantasy VII is the perfect FF game
There should not be this type of rule. Scores should be based on the feeling of the reviewer. There should not be a formula to making reviews or choosing scores.
It's a more divisive game than many nowadays, but still not really that divisive (I remember showing ICO and SotC to some friends and they found them totally boring)
I remember people hating the way Agro controlled in SotC. The point was you were controlling Wander and not the horse. While of course not all of it's perceived clunkiness was by design there was obviously still a fundamental design decision that would always divide many players. So comments about Trico's AI seem to fall in line with this, which honestly makes me very excited.
Sadly I do not have a Pro. Not exactly looking forward to the framerate but I've always been able to adapt.
I remember people hating the way Agro controlled in SotC. The point was you were controlling Wander and not the horse. While of course not all of it's perceived clunkiness was by design there was obviously still a fundamental design decision that would always divide many players. So comments about Trico's AI seem to fall in line with this, which honestly makes me very excited.
Sadly I do not have a Pro. Not exactly looking forward to the framerate but I've always been able to adapt.
The fact that people actually care about this . . .
Already Torn
Banned
He's actually the worst though. His Twitter avi is that stupid "Don't tread on me" rattlesnake...
And he's not using it ironically 😱
Could be that poster is referring to the actual quality of the article. (I don't know.)
Hate is personal. Rating it a 4, is disrespect with the creators. I wouldn't rate Halo 4/10 just because I don't like it.
Off-topic, but it's ridiculous to think that you are getting more rights than wrong (65/100) and you are considered failing it.
Anyway, back to the review thread.
Equanimity
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I don't necessary agree with that, as I found XV to be far superior in basically every way. But while XIII may be almost at the bottom of my FF list, it is indeed a great game.
I've been gaming since the Atari days, and I've seen my fair share of real "garbage games".
FFXIII is in no way a garbage game.