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Final Fantasy XV SPOILER THREAD
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I dont understand why they can't though. Nyx and co were able to warp.
Yeah, if anything, all evidence points to the bros being dead.
- They make a final stand for Noctis against an unending army of demons
- Ardyn has a fleeting glimpse of them during his confrontation with Noctis in the afterlife... just like with Luna, who is also dead
- The bonfire scene resonates as four souls about to depart and saying their goodbyes
- Their folding chairs are then shown empty around a snuffed-out fire at sunrise
Four warriors of light, dispelled the darkness. But didn't live to see the dawn.
They sacrificed not for their own happiness, but for others. It's about duty.
paolo11
Member
I thought the bonfire scene is before the last fight.
How would they be camping in the World of Ruin? (Legit question: I've watched the scenes but haven't played the part right before the ending.)
You see them camping before going to insomnia. It's a forced camping scene, one of the few rare ones.
//I got the feeling the bros are alive, especially when Noctis said "I entrust it all to you" or something similar after the Ardyn boss battle.
Nyx and co were able to warp in Kingsglaive because King Regis was alive to provide that power. I'm not sure why Noctis can't provide those powers for his friends... Maybe it's because he hasn't fully accepted the throne at that point?
AkirraKrylon
Member
There is more evidence/implication that the bros survive than there is that they don't I think.
Noctis says to them "I leave it to you" before going into the throne room and dying. What other conclusion can we reach other than "I leave the Kingdom to you. I'm gonna make the sacrifice so you guys can reap the benefits. You earned it."
What does the game do to show us that they don't survive? The daemons appearing in the city and Noctis leaving them to handle it? They handled more than that in Gralea 10 years prior when Noctis left them in the Ravus battle area and went to the Crystal, and they have more experience dealing with daemons after all this time.
Them appearing in the "after life" area? That was way more of a "they are there in spirit" than anything else. Noctis and Ardyn are the only ones that are really there.
I don't think people are obsessed with it, I think it's way more logical to come to the conclusion that they survived than it is to assume they didn't. *shrug*
The Last One
Member
I don't agree with this. The bonfire scene is most likely something that happened on their way to Insomnia.
Wasn't aware of this. Do you think the ending campfire scene ties into the one prior to Insomnia then?
Way I interpreted that, I think he's saying, "I trust you to have my back." It's said as he's about to sacrifice himself, and they're buying him time. I think the bros tried to survive, but didn't make it.
The Xtortionist
Member
Both of the games have great characters, though. Not all the characters are great, of course.
Thing is, Luna is also in the afterlife scene. She appears and disappears, just like the bros. But she doesn't need to be there "in spirit," because... well, she IS a spirit.
So if she's there, and the bros are there... Looks to me like the bros didn't make it. But they got done what needed to be done.
slackern1nja
Banned
The worst part was Bahamut missing Ifrit with every sword throw. Waste of a summon.
The final scene with them at the bonfire was a flashback to the final night before they entered Insomnia. Also, I'd be pretty dissatisfied to find out that the 3 others lived. It would cheapen the impact of any of the attempted emotional weight for the ending. For me it's much more fitting with the tone of the ending if everyone had to make the ultimate sacrifice to set the world right again.
It did feel a bit odd loading up the game for the first time after beating it and doing more stuff with the characters. It was kind of like "what's the point...they're all going to be dead anyway". Once I got over that I was back to hunts and exploring areas and dungeons I skipped previously.
It did feel a bit odd loading up the game for the first time after beating it and doing more stuff with the characters. It was kind of like "what's the point...they're all going to be dead anyway". Once I got over that I was back to hunts and exploring areas and dungeons I skipped previously.
Shouta
Member
Camping should still work in the world of ruin. The havens you camp at are a throwback to FFIV and are a protected field. That's why demons didn't attack them as they traveled Lucis. They could have lost power during the time skip but who knows.
That's kind of an anime cliche though, showing the bad guy isolated and alone and the people who helped the protagonist become as strong as he is. Doesn't mean they are dead, at least based on the stories I've seen utilize similar visual techniques.
I think you can make an argument either way.
jimmypython
Member
DAI was a better game overall. but still, i was so bored after 80hours of side questing and sold the game. I wouldn't finish XV if it weren't a Final Fantasy game.
I think I agree except characters definitely go to DA:I. Not a shred of doubt there for me.
Why can't I get this stupid monster to spawn that drops Nyx's daggers in Insomnia? I did exactly as the guide said but he won't spawn damn it
Lights and Waves
Member
1. They defended the world from deamons for 10 years, you really think they couldn't bide enough time (10 min max) for Noctis to summon the kings?
2. Ardyn sees them, Noctis doesn't. It's an anime trope, explained in this thread already.
3. The bonfire takes place before the final battle...
4. Noctics "I entrust it to all of you.." it = the future of the kingdom, the world
paolo11
Member
Same thing as 4 souls chillaxin on the campfire..
However I'll be honest. I actually prefer your theory. The thing is once you go kapoot, you go auto afterlife, no?
If it's free DLC then fine I guess but the real scary thing here is that people are excited about paying more money for DLC content that might explain what the fuck happened in the 60 dollar game they bought.
Ifrit is just that cool. I want a FFXV spin off where we play as Ifrit and we have to parkour across the universe.
They survived the world of ruin for 10 years not even fighting together as Talcott mentions they never seen together since Noctis left. So them back as group be OP
Fair points, I can see it going either way. Especially now that I know they camped before the final confrontation.
Lights and Waves
Member
True dat!
It's why they have the cutscene of Noctis putting on the ring when he sets foot in Insomnia. The camp scene had Noctis without the ring on
Lights and Waves
Member
Asked this earlier but it got buried:
Was Versus XIII supposed to take place on Pulse or Cocoon? Is it a million years after XIII?
Theories?
Was Versus XIII supposed to take place on Pulse or Cocoon? Is it a million years after XIII?
Theories?
The whole game is an anime cliche, in fact the whole 'floating in blue crystal nothingness' is something they do constantly in FF14, complete with the bad guy being smote as spirits fly through him.
Considering this is Square-Enix, and Noctis specifically asked for a picture of the group to take with him, the bros live on in his
kingdom
"I entrust it all to you" means "this kingdom is yours now, look after it." The boys lived. Noctis willingly killed himself to have a ghost battle with Ardyn.
It wasnt based on 13 in any sense. It was based on the overt FNC mythology that all FNC games share.
Man, I just love this game. I had literally no interest until, like, one month ago. I remember the original trailer for Versus XIII instantly repelled me with what I perceived to be a try-hard character design. Now Noctis, while still looking pretty much the same, is one of my favorite JRPG characters. Amazing. There's just so much heart.
I noticed all the campfire areas have runes drawn around them, maybe daemon wards? Possibly explains why they never have trouble while camping in the night.
There is a history button, I think it's triangle and you can use that to see your past recipes.
AkirraKrylon
Member
This is so cool I didn't even consider this/wonder what the runes were for. Just seemed like a necessity from a game play perspective to not have daemons murder you in your sleep.
I think he's referring to some old, now irrelevant interview, where some director/producer (I can't remember who, maybe Kitase) talks about the three FNC games (XIII, Type-0, VsXIII, maybe Type-0 was still called Agito at the time) and how one of them happened in the "past" of the universe, one of them happened in the "present" of the universe and one of them happened in the "future" of the universe.
I may be mistaken though, tried Googling someone but nothing came up since I didn't really remember what to search for.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
FFXIII, Versus XIII, Agito XIII, and Haeresis XIII were never meant to take place on the same world. They were simply based on a common Fabula Nova Crystallis mythos.
Fabula Nova Crystallis means "new tales of the crystals", as opposed to the old tales of the crystals which were the older FF games (which certainly didn't take place on the same world, right?).
xxdoshiyarovexx
Member
LOL!!! I couldn't get over how he kinda looks like Voltron + Gundam
Athreous
Member
DiipuSurotu
Banned
He was talking in terms of concept, not actual timeline. Versus was a fantasy based on (modern) reality, while XIII had a sci-fi setting and Agito had a WWI-inspired setting.
roflwaffles
Member
Guys, I don't even think the writers know if the bros died or not.
Lights and Waves
Member
So the same gods in all the games, just not the same universe? Type-0 had fal'Cie and Luna in the XV logo was originally supposed to be Etro if I remember correctly...
DiipuSurotu
Banned
It's not a matter of knowing. IMO they left it ambiguous on purpose, like Kuja's fate at the end of FFIX or Delita's fate at the end of FFT. It's up to the player to decide.
No, it's not even the same gods. Just the same concept. For example the classic summons Shiva, Ifrit, etc., appear in many FFs but they're not the same beings in different FFs even when their designs are similar.
I'm still annoyed that we didn't get the Final Fantasy Money Shot of Mega/Giga/Tera Flare.
This might actually be the biggest scandal, forget the garbage plot, where's our death lasers?
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Basically we need a remake.
Put Nomura on charge.
Call it Final Fantasy XV Versus.
Release on 2030.
He put the ring on when he arrived in Insomnia though, didn't he?
The ring was destroyed in the afterlife, though, so it's hard to say.
Could be alive and a flashback, or they could be dead saying their goodbyes.
A beautiful and bittersweet scene either way.
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