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[Papacheeks]

Pretty simple: Sony calls it a console exclusive, which in their language means coming to PS4 and PC. People wonder if it's coming to PC somehow. Case closed. People aren't begging for Yakuza 0 or whatever and it didn't came out of nowhere. It's because it's been labeled by Sony as such.

Yea but you just answered my question. Sony's language which in being is like only something we on gaf or whatever talk about. Sure I think there have been a interview or a Q/A on ps blog that talks about this.

But how does it affect the console owner/consumer? So my next question is who is this affecting consumer wise?

Sony markets their own console and games that show up on their console. SO how is it on Sony to change labels or whatever?

Why is it sony's fault when all they are doing regardless of what internally it means labeling games that are not coming to other consoles? WHere on a store/retail or what have you level is this affecting people?

ALso if this is a big issue like some are talking about wouldn't atlus/sega have beef with sony and have them make changes in the future on their labels?

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Pretty simple: Sony calls it a console exclusive, which in their language means coming to PS4 and PC. People wonder if it's coming to PC somehow. Case closed. People aren't begging for Yakuza 0 or whatever and it didn't came out of nowhere. It's because it's been labeled by Sony as such.

That's pretty mich the case for me. PC is always a possiblity, but Switch and Xbox One, not so much.

Edit: IF this tag is the real deal.

 

[4Tran]

Persona is no surprise at all, not sure why people thought it would be on PC or Switch.

Sega is already one of the biggest PC publishers out there, and it wouldn't be unexpected for them to release Persona 5 there in order to secure a new audience. It's pretty much guaranteed to make them money and will mean good things in the long run. Your avatar comes from Valkyria Chronicles, and it's a excellent example of the kinds of benefits Sega gets out of this. The big question was whether Sega would tell Atlus to make the port.

Personally, I thought that it'd be cool both for consumers and for Sega and Atlus if Persona 5 came to PC, but I didn't have any expectations that it'd happen anytime soon.

Pretty simple: Sony calls it a console exclusive, which in their language means coming to PS4 and PC. People wonder if it's coming to PC somehow. Case closed. People aren't begging for Yakuza 0 or whatever and it didn't came out of nowhere. It's because it's been labeled by Sony as such.

I think that it's a misinterpretation of what console exclusive means. What it actually does mean is that Sony has the console rights more or less locked up, but the publisher is free to port it to PC. Sega and Atlus decided to not exercise this option, and so these games aren't going to show up on PC. Honestly, I think that this should have been the default expectation, but I can't blame anyone for getting their hopes up.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

Yea but you just answered my question. Sony's language which in being is like only something we on gaf or whatever talk about. Sure I think there have been a interview or a Q/A on ps blog that talks about this.

But how does it affect the console owner/consumer? So my next question is who is this affecting consumer wise?

Sony markets their own console and games that show up on their console. SO how is it on Sony to change labels or whatever?

Why is it sony's fault when all they are doing regardless of what internally it means labeling games that are not coming to other consoles? WHere on a store/retail or what have you level is this affecting people?

ALso if this is a big issue like some are talking about wouldn't atlus/sega have beef with sony and have them make changes in the future on their labels?

I don't see it as a big issue. It's just that the labels are confusing if not consistent. In the past "Console Exclusive" has been tagged on things like SFV that were only on PS4 and PC while things only on PS4 got "Playstation Exclusive", so of course people inferred for future games with "console exclusive" on the box that it was likely coming to PC.

Still, no big deal. People just need to not automatically infer that going forward if Sony isn't going to use the labels that way. It's not having any big impact on consumers, it just makes the labels less informative and it's nothing to get upset about IMO--but some get up in arms about any kind of "false advertising" I guess. It's giant corporations trying to take your money. One should always be super wary of all advertising and labeling and do their own research to get informed about products before purchasing.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

This whole PR situation reminds me of Robinson The Journey. It was announced as PS4 Exclusive but it was labeled as "Play first on PSVR" or something.

Some people pointed it out but Crytek PR stated that it was a full exclusive and was not coming to PC.

Welp: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...he-journey-launches-on-oculus-rift-in-january

Do you have a terrible memory or something? The game was never confirmed as a full-on PS4 exclusive and was originally showcased for PC.

It was confirmed that it will be a timed exclusive way before its official release.

http://gamingbolt.com/crytek-confir...-exclusive-for-psvr-shares-development-update

Nothing exclusive related on the official PS website

https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/robinson-the-journey-ps4/

 

[Mosse]

Doesn't the console exclusive tag just mean "not on other consoles, such as xbox and nintendo platforms"?

I don't think it has ever meant that it will also come to PC, just that there's no contract stoping the publisher to release it on PC if they wanted.

 

[Papacheeks]

Doesn't the console exclusive tag just mean "not on other consoles, such as xbox and nintendo platforms"?

I don't think it has ever meant that it will also come to PC, just that there's no contract stoping the publisher to release it on PC if they wanted.

This has been my assumption on it, but according to some internal talk with Sony like others have mentioned the different labels have other meanings i guess?

Which makes no sense in the consumer scheme of things IMOH.

 

[NastyBook]

At this point you'll have to sift through this thread pretty hard to find many posts actually begging for anything. The thread is mainly moaning about people wanting these games somewhere besides PlayStation.

Sort of like your contribution here.

You're right. The overarching issue is the portbegging done in general. In this thread there's just been a whole lot of passive aggressiveness, anger, and flat out denial from the PC camp over one man's tweet.

 

[jmga]

Do you have a terrible memory or something? The game was never confirmed as a full-on PS4 exclusive and was originally showcased for PC.

It was confirmed that it will be a timed exclusive way before its official release.

http://gamingbolt.com/crytek-confir...-exclusive-for-psvr-shares-development-update

Nothing exclusive related on the official PS website

https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/robinson-the-journey-ps4/

The game was announced far before that.

http://crytek.com/news/sony-and-cry...son-the-journey-exclusively-to-playstation-vr

I also recall a tweet or comment on some site stating explicitly it would not come to PC. The same situation we have here.

 

[Mooreberg]

You do not need to post box covers from the 90s of actual exclusives. Look at a BioShock Xbox 360 box. "Only on Xbox 360 and Windows"

That game will be a decade old in August. Sony did not just invent this practice with SFV.

 

[Lonely1]

Why one dude saying some inane nonsense about owning a PS4 but not wanting to buy games for it gets quoted again and again, consistently re-framed as if a bunch of people said that instead of the one lunatic.

I take offense to this! I own a PS4 and I won't buy P5 for it, but it would be day one on Switch or PC(if it runs well on the GPD Win). My reason for that is that I seldom play RPGs to completion on stationary devices, while handhelds give me the freedom to play 5-10 minutes here there while waiting or watching a football game, hence they are my primary (only) platform for the genre. I'm not a lunatic :S .

 

[DarkLordMalik]

The game was announced far before that.

http://crytek.com/news/sony-and-cry...son-the-journey-exclusively-to-playstation-vr

It wasn't announced as a PSVR exclusive until later in October at Gamescom.

Originally revealed with a short teaser and official website.
https://twitter.com/RobinsonJourney/status/610514802868400128

 

[Papacheeks]

The game was announced far before that.

http://crytek.com/news/sony-and-cry...son-the-journey-exclusively-to-playstation-vr

I also recall a tweet or comment on some site stating explicitly it would not come to PC. The same situation we have here.

Totally not the same situation. Robinson:the journey was a new ip for VR by a developer with PC roots, and to say a game that is strictly VR by a known third party developer wouldn't come to other VR headsets is just common sense. Its not the same as a Japanese established franchise made game that has its roots in mainly Japanese consoles/handelds.

 

[jmga]

Totally not the same situation. Robinson:the journey was a new ip for VR by a developer with PC roots, and to say a game that is strictly VR by a known third party developer wouldb't come to other VR headsets its not the same as a Japanese made game that has its roots in mainly one Japanese console.

I fail to see how any of that is relevant nowadays, tons of japanese IPs have made a jump to PC during the last 3 years.

 

[PdotMichael]

It's not a mistake the label means what it means "Console" exclusive. PC is not a console. So when they say "Only on Playstation" or PS4 console exclusive they mean similar things that the game is not coming to other "consoles". Those labels dont mean anything about PC if there is or isn't a version.

They are strictly for promotion of the console version. Which is the main selling platform for this series period.

It's rather a result what is written in some contracts.

 

[Papacheeks]

I fail to see how any of that is relevant nowadays, tons of japanese IPs have made a jump to PC during the last 3 years.

Made the jump correct, but are still for the most part more prominent on Japanese consoles. Is final fantasy more prominent on consoles or pc? And also is it more prominent on Japanese consoles than american?

ANd most of those games started with a later release on PC then gradually came to same day release as their console counter parts.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

What I find really interesting is that I know for a fact that many people at the Western divisions of various JRPG publishers are actively fighting for more and better PC ports.
At the same time, it often seems like someone at Atlus USA has a particular dislike for the idea. Maybe it's just an impression I get -- I mean, until recently it seemed to be the same situation for dual audio.

Anyway, personally I don't care much for the Persona franchise (unlike Atelier, which I never expected to come to PC but now does), but it's a curious situation.

I think it's more like that someone in the Japanese branch of Atlus just doesn't care about PC at all, so Atlus USA's hands are completely tied on that matter. Atlus USA has virtually no power in actually deciding what they're working on when it comes to stuff their parent company releases. I don't expect the situation to change anytime soon, although it certainly would be great if someone would see sense and at least get on board with the idea of releasing their archive titles on PC.

 

[Sad Affleck]

I love this. PC and Switch gamers needing to beg for ports while PS4 gamers get to sit back and decide whether they want to buy these games or not since we get pretty much everything first anyway.

I couldn't care less if these games go to other platforms, not buying Yakuza 0 anyway, since we're getting Persona 5 and the game doesn't change anything.

The port begging is funny though. Great not having to do that this gen.

What a sad post this is. Fans of a niche series should want the game to come out on as many platforms as possible and reach every consumer that might be interested in it. Instead we get this. It's a shame.

 

[Phil Fish]

FACT: every game that isn't an IP of a first party console manufacturer should be on PC.

disgusting move from Atlus/SEGA

Nah. Stay mad and go get yourself a PS4 :^)

 

[TheFlow]

this thread has only gone on so long because people rather speculate things that aren't there. It is not port begging. because at least a port begger wants to play the games. This is just some self-entitlement and pissing contest to stroke people's egos and prove they were right or wrong over nothing. Go support the games while they are out now, instead of waiting for something that doesn't exist. Don't be like those 360 players waiting for MGS4.

Tell me what platform P5 and Yakuza O are on. Next tell me what other platforms are they planned for within the next 2 years.


/thread

yakuza 0 OT and starter guide to the series. For the people who own a pc and sony console but haven't played the game for "reasons"
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1329069

 

[perfectsil]

Nah. Stay mad and go get yourself a PS4 :^)

Some of us do have ps4's and still rather get them on PC

 

[gtj1092]

I take offense to this! I own a PS4 and I won't buy P5 for it, but it would be day one on Switch or PC(if it runs well on the GPD Win). My reason for that is that I seldom play RPGs to completion on stationary devices, while handhelds give me the freedom to play 5-10 minutes here there while waiting or watching a football game, hence they are my primary (only) platform for the genre. I'm not a lunatic :S .

Your PC isn't stationary? It's a day one game but you won't buy it for a console you own?

Also why does every game need to be on PC but not vice versa? PC has way more exclusives than any console but I don't see many of the PC guys in here ever lamenting the tragedy of console players not getting to play star citizen or Undertale or whatever. We should all band together and boycott all exclusive games whether on PC or console until this terrible practice comes to a just end.

 

[BigEmil]

FACT: every game that isn't an IP of a first party console manufacturer should be on PC.

disgusting move from Atlus/SEGA

Gee some PC only gamers feel obligated to have everything no matter what, entitled af

 

[protomouse]

Your PC isn't stationary? It's a day one game but you won't buy it for a console you own?

GPD Win =

 

[gtj1092]

GPD Win =

Oh wow. What kind of specs is that thing packing. Might check it out if the screen is nice.

 

[icespide]

FACT: every game that isn't an IP of a first party console manufacturer should be on PC.

disgusting move from Atlus/SEGA

good god

 

[CazTGG]

Oh wow. What kind of specs is that thing packing. Might check it out if the screen is nice.

There's also a project called the Smach-Z which is supposed to launch in April (but it won't so expect a delay) and boasts the ability to upgrade its components.

Anyway, i'm predicting a Vita version being developed in about two years. It happened to every Persona game since and I doubt 5 will be any different, especially since ATLUS is one of the few developers to still show any dedication to the system.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Because it's dumb to exclude platforms in this day and age. Atlus is a niche publisher. They need to be on as many available platforms as they can muster to get as many sales back as they can.

They need no such thing. Atlus will already have their most successful game from PS4/3 result.

Right, then why is it only about THESE specific titles ? Dont you think it's rather weird that the one being discussed are the one with these labels in question ?

Not at all. Common things here is them all being Japanese games.....and a Rockstar game. If you wonder why well thats because PC does not have the Japanese third party support like the PS4.

Nah. Portable versions existed because portable versions sell better in Japan. That's just facts.

Not at all. Persona 5 on PS4/3 have vastly outsold any handheld iteration in Japan and will do by even greater amounts in the West. You mistake the Persona fanbase for a handheld base.

 

[Tagyhag]

Gee some PC only gamers feel obligated to have everything no matter what, entitled af

I agree that some people use the wrong wording for stuff like that.

But it's true that if every game was on PC this would only be a good thing for gamers.

 

[mejin]

I agree that some people use the wrong wording for stuff like that.

But it's true that if every game was on PC this would only be a good thing for gamers.

I'm from a time when the game was the most important thing, no the platform. We have so many "debates" now because this isn't the case anymore imo.

In a utopic world, every platform should have all the games so everyone would be happy.

 

[CrichtonKicks]

But seriously guys Atlus is one of the most backwards developers in the business.
Did you really expect a pc port?

It will happen at some point. Maybe it's this year. Maybe's it 5 years from now. But Atlus will at some point recognize the value of porting to the PC.

As you noted, dual audio is in and of itself a minor miracle. Would that have happened if Atlus hadn't been pressured on it for years?

 

[Smutpeddler]

There is no legitimate argument for any consumer wanting to keep these exclusive. The publisher has a little merit in not wanting more dev kits and certifications. However, they are leaving money on the table, plain and simple. They won't get my money, and they don't care. The world is a happy place.

 

[Ozium]

That's certainly not your role to decide that, especially when Nintendo already repeat everywhere that Switch is first and foremost an home console. We will have to see how the consumers decide what the Switch is, with the picture certainly becoming more clear in one week.

In any case I've never heard before about a schizophrenic game machine being a home console for the West and a handheld for the East at the same time. That would be a first.

it does both, so in the west they are marketing it as a home console that you can take with you, while in Japan they are marketing it as a portable that you can play on a tv.

six of one, half a dozen of the other

marketing to the needs of a particular market... how does it work?

Nintendo has also stated their goal is to streamline their development from two (one portable, one home console) into one (the switch) if you can't see the fluidity between the two ways to use it, and how both are equally correct and valid but each aspect appeals to different markets then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[viHuGi]

"PC beggar race!"

"The best thing about being a PS4 owner is that I never, ever have to beg for anything!"

Meanwhile, in randomly bumped threads...

I'd beg for Zelda and that's it, nothing on pc matters to me or even Xbox lol

Oh a Metroid would be neat too.

 

[viHuGi]

Get off your throne and start praying

That's why I will get a Switch so my Ps4 Pro has some company, literally the two platforms why I will keep gaming.

 

[GhostTrick]

Not at all. Common things here is them all being Japanese games.....and a Rockstar game. If you wonder why well thats because PC does not have the Japanese third party support like the PS4.

Here are the games you cited:

If PC was such a haven of wanted third party games then you wouldn't have threads full of PC portbegging: RDR2, KH3, P5, Bloodborne, NioH, Ni No Kuni 2, AC7, DQ11, etc (there will be more to come).

RDR2 is a multiplat game.
KH3 is a multiplat game.
Ni-Oh was labeled as a "Console Exclusive" game.
Ni No Kuni 2 was labeled as a "Console Debut" game.
AC7 was said by the producer that it wasn't exclusive (we learned 2 days ago it's rated for XB1 too).


As for DQ11, I haven't seen PC portbegging for it. Citation needed.
As for P5 and Bloodborne, right, they never made sense. But that's basically what you could put in the "port begging basket" that you see everywhere. The very same we saw for XCom 2, Bayonetta 2, BGE2, Undertale, SFV, Scalebound or any other exclusives. This isn't tied to specific support. Also on your last part, that's arguable. Both platforms have their own japanese support. There are many good Japanese releases that aren't on PS4 either but on PC.


On 8 releases, there's 5 of them that had legitimate reasons to raise questions on platforms availability. 2 of them made no sense to question that (and are part of the many ones exemples you can find elsewhere). 1 needs a citation.

You make it as if it was a widespread issue, concerning only PC and PS4. That's silly and baseless.

 

[Solrac]

To be frank, I always think "why is it always called PC Master Race when majority do port begging".

this, dont understand how can you call yourself "master nonsense " but need to rely on console games...

 

[Taruranto]

this, dont understand how can you call yourself "master nonsense " but need to rely on console games...

That's what happens when you take a joke too seriously I guess.

 

[viHuGi]

I'm gonna go Switch, PS4, PC and mobile. And I like the XB1 controller so I have one of those.

ViDeOgAmEs are the best!

Tbh mobile and Pc I just don't see the appeal of those platforms, I like Xbox but I don't see games I want to play there.

But man different people different tastes and I totally respect other people opinion that probably like Xbox over Ps4 and that's fine.

 

[oSoLucky]

I'd beg for Zelda and that's it, nothing on pc matters to me or even Xbox lol

Oh a Metroid would be neat too.

Every time that I read something like this, I can only believe that the poster is very uninformed. It might be worth your while to spend a few hours one day and check out what's available on PC in genres that you like. I'd say that it's almost impossible to not find a ton of games that interest you that you can't get on other platforms you own(even if you own every console/handheld ever made).

Edit: I can understand PC's feeling intimidating or esoteric(they shouldn't be, but I see that brought up a lot, so eh..), but saying "nothing on PC matters to me" is a bit out there.

 

[Neuromancer]

One time phil spencer said on the xbox anniversary stream he wants to get Persona 5 and Nioh on Xbox One.

Phil Spencer says a lot of things.

 

[Grief.exe]

I'd beg for Zelda and that's it, nothing on pc matters to me or even Xbox lol

Oh a Metroid would be neat too.

Tbh mobile and Pc I just don't see the appeal of those platforms, I like Xbox but I don't see games I want to play there.

But man different people different tastes and I totally respect other people opinion that probably like Xbox over Ps4 and that's fine.

The truly compelling part about the PC platform is there are constantly games being released that you've never heard of have zero marketing budget, but are impressively well crafted and have insane depth.

Two of my GOTY this year are Factorio and Rimworld, which you've likely never heard of, but have a level of difficultly, depth, and replayability that is unprecedented in the homogenized AAA industry.

That's beyond the obvious framerate, resolution, and backwards compatibility advantages that I enjoy.

Every time that I read something like this, I can only believe that the poster is very uninformed. It might be worth your while to spend a few hours one day and check out what's available on PC in genres that you like. I'd say that it's almost impossible to not find a ton of games that interest you that you can't get on other platforms you own(even if you own every console/handheld ever made).

Edit: I can understand PC's feeling intimidating or esoteric(they shouldn't be, but I see that brought up a lot, so eh..), but saying "nothing on PC matters to me" is a bit out there.

Exactly, if you're not in the community you won't know about the unique games.

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

I've never undestood port begging. You want a game? Just save up and buy the platform it's on. Is it that hard?

If you want Japanese games and you don't already own a PS4 this gen you're doing it wrong.

 

[viHuGi]

The interesting part about PC is there are constantly games being released that you've never heard of have zero marketing budget, but are impressively well crafted and have insane depth.

Two of my GOTY this year are Factorio and Rimworld, which you've likely never heard of, but have a level of difficultly, depth, and replayability that is unprecedented in the homogenized AAA industry.

That's beyond the obvious framerate, resolution, and backwards compatibility advantages that I enjoy.

Tbh I can play those on my laptop if I want to, will check them out now btw lol who knows I might love those, thanks.

 

[Solrac]

50k for each one.. and im sure there are more petition like these.

 

[Nillansan]

That Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen PC announcement thread had it's fair share of Sony folks begging for a PS4 port, and just to be clear that was a thread dedicated specifically to the PC release.

 

[Peltz]

FACT: every game that isn't an IP of a first party console manufacturer should be on PC.

disgusting move from Atlus/SEGA

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or genuine port begging.

 

[oSoLucky]

The truly compelling part about the PC platform is there are constantly games being released that you've never heard of have zero marketing budget, but are impressively well crafted and have insane depth.

Two of my GOTY this year are Factorio and Rimworld, which you've likely never heard of, but have a level of difficultly, depth, and replayability that is unprecedented in the homogenized AAA industry.

That's beyond the obvious framerate, resolution, and backwards compatibility advantages that I enjoy.




Exactly, if you're not in the community you won't know about the unique games.

Heck, even with being an avid PC user/game enthusiast, there are a ton of games likely to fly under your radar. There's just not enough time to give every game a serious look. I would have completely missed on Darkest Dungeon and Super Hot if not for a friend's urging and More_Badass's thread, and those games have more exposure than a lot of them.

That Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen PC announcement thread had it's fair share of Sony folks begging for a PS4 port, and just to be clear that was a thread dedicated specifically to the PC release.

Final Fantasy 9 also IIRC. It goes in every direction and I get distaste from it in every direction. I also think the majority of justifications for not buying into other platforms is quite flimsy in general(especially all the false narratives around how "hard" PC gaming is relative to its actual complexity). Waiting years hoping for a port for games that someone wants "very badly" is also just silliness.

 

[Hektor]

I've never undestood port begging. You want a game? Just save up and buy the platform it's on. Is it that hard?

If you want Japanese games and you don't already own a PS4 this gen you're doing it wrong.

Maybe because people can't grow money out of their ass and all of the money they have to invest into additional platforms can't be used for the purchase of the actual videogames they care about anymore.

 

[Nillansan]

this, dont understand how can you call yourself "master nonsense " but need to rely on console games...

To be frank, I always think "why is it always called PC Master Race when majority do port begging".

You guys are in denial. Seriously. Port begging is rampant across all platforms. Also nobody can possibly utter the words, "PC Master Race", with a straight face besides embarrassingly militant console fanboys.