NinjamicWZ
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Pro being 15% of PS4 sales for December is actually pretty decent. I hope it keeps pace. The more units out there, the more likely we are to get more retroactive Pro patches and continued support going forward.
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Windows Central on US December NPD: PS4 sold 1,568,000 (238K Pro), XB1 sold 1,511,000
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tiredheadcrab
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Wow really? I thought Russian trolls were bad.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Ah I see you're saying if the Pro didn't exist but the One S still did? Then yeah I'd agree, but I don't really see the point of that comparison.
That's like saying if the One S had never released would the Xbox have ever sold more in any months in 2016? Probably not, but what's the point of that hypothetical?
What if the Pro existed but the Slim didn't exist?
What if Sony didn't release any update to the PS4?
Marty Chinn
Member
Yes, that's what I'm getting at. In fact, I wasn't bringing it up out of nowhere; I was specifically responding a post that seemed surprised that people thought Microsoft would have pulled ahead if the Pro didn't exist.
MegaSackman
Member
Why people discuss "what if"?
If my grandmother would have a dick it'd be my grandfather, however...
If my grandmother would have a dick it'd be my grandfather, however...
I feel left out.
There's plenty of action in the off topic section.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
What should the percentages be between the multiple PS4 skus? 33% each?
I've started frequenting that over the last couple of months.
Stay away from the politic threads but Dating GAF is always a riot
Scorpio facing the same thing is not laughable. A higher priced console will sell less than the cheaper priced console during holidays. Ps4 vs X1 2014 and Pro vs slim proves that.
Unknown?
Member
Well then you'd have to prove those who bought a Pro definitely wouldn't have upgraded to a slim if not released. My scenario is just as reasonable as yours so I don't see the problem.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
But what if the slim was never released though?
SneakersSO
Member
It doesn't confirm that at all, actually. The BoM & how much of a loss on hardware sold is MS willing to take will be what determines the price. And frankly, considering how well the X1S is selling, I think they're just going to continue to try & grow their marketshare in the US with the S, while using the Scorpio to price-gouge their hardcore audience with a high-margin item.
Unknown?
Member
They would have bought the Vita TV Pro that had Netflix.
Marty Chinn
Member
Where did I say what you said was unreasonable? I just laid out the criteria that needed to be true for it to be reasonable.
I assumed this was the plan from the jump
Cos you is tier 2.
JaredLetoJoker
Banned
Ok see this is something that you have to stop saying. With the PS4 and the xbox one coming out at the same time and the ps4 having a 28 million lead on the xbox one is a problem. No one cares if its on track with the 360 thats not the point. The point is that both of these systems came out at the same time and the ps4 is mopping the floor with the x1. Thats it period. Both of these companies want to be number one regardless of what you say. Both Sony and MS will be "successful" by just putting out a system. Hell even with the ps3 having that hard start that it did, was still considered "successful". They both still got outsold by the Wii big time, and there is no problem with anyone saying that. The Wii squashed them both.
On Sony's hand they are doing far better than they were at this time with the ps3, hell even far better than the Xbox 360. That tells you something. But I guess using the "we all win" scenario helps people.
😂
Just state the facts, and leave it at that. no need for all the damage control
The Mad Draklor
Member
Fine, then let's play by your rules. Your scenario is still flawed because it doesn't take into what Sony's strategy would've been. It is very possible that without the Pro, Sony would've adapted a different strategy going into the holiday season. The amounts of dollars Sony spent into Pro's R&D, manufacturing, and shipping, don't you think Sony would've allocated that money towards advertising? What if Sony released the Infinite Warfare from the beginning of the holiday season in place of the Pro and slashed the price to $249 on BF and December?
To think that Sony would have not adapted a different strategy in absence of the Pro is unreasonable.
killatopak
Gold Member
All these hypotheticals mean nothing when the result is already right in front of your faces.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Yep, appears so. Xbox One S and the original Xbox One, after all, aren't actually different systems to begin with. PS4 and PS4 Pro, on the other hand, are two very different systems, even if they will share the same game lineup.
Xbox One is really doing quite solidly. A very nice turnaround for the system.
Also very surprised the PS4 Pro didn't get a much larger share than that. Somehow I have a very hard time not seeing Project Scorpio absolutely crush that 238K number in its first December. Maybe I'm wrong, but I do see Scorpio doing much better than that.
The Mad Draklor
Member
Basically this. I think I'm done with these hypotheticals because it's pretty much approaching tinfoil hat territory.
No. You're confusing multiple unrelated statements.
I made a specific statement where I said I believed MS had stated something (that is, it's publicly available information). I was challenged on it, and quotes were provided. I could not find any public information to back up my claims. I rescinded my statement.
Did you miss your gamefaqs exit? Don't often see this level of fanboy drivel.
PS4 is a massive success, nobody is denying that. X1 is also a success. Also Wii didn't even "squash" PS3 and 360 if we're taking the whole generation into account.
Btw, I own a PS4 and don't own an X1 and may never own one.
JaredLetoJoker
Banned
Ok so you tell me how selling 26 million while your competition is selling 54 million is a success? There is a reason why MS keeps their numbers to themselves.
There isn't any fanboy logic needed to see whats going on.
What system you own means nothing to facts.
bryanee
Member
No they're not.
DR2K
Banned
Because your other competition isn't even breaking 10 million.
Killroyskbg
Member
Want to try your Google-Fu or what you called it on the importance of US vs rest of the world regarding the sales of consoles.
But you are a "consultant" and a "journalist" so why should we be questioning you huh? How about you providing a singel fact supporting your claim next time you try telling tales from your ass.
JaredLetoJoker
Banned
lol...Wow.
WordsintheWater
Member
How the heck are they 2 very different systems? They're the same system, just one is more powerful than the other.
What you say here makes no sense to me.
You first say that its only because of Pro that PS4 sold more than XB1 in November and December. Yet at the same time imply that the Pro numbers are not good as an attach rate. Would that not, in your own logic imply that those numbers were good?
Also i'm still confused as to your hypothetical posturing on how Scorpio will do, its almost as bad as your absolute insistence beyond reasonable fact that it will somehow have Zen CPU architecture in it.
Not to mention how you say that Pro somehow is a completely different system than PS4 even though we know that isn't the case, whereas you say Xbox One S/Scorpio will not have the same issues as the PS4/Slim to Pro because...?
Pro sales: if we agree that Nov/Dec in the US is ~500k, JPN, UK, DE & FR (as they're all broadly similar in PS4 install base at around 4000k each), based on JPN Pro numbers will be at ~100k each, I think the rest of Europe probably contributed another 200k, plus whatever else for ROTW.
So between 1.2-1.5m, which also works at the top end if you take the US ~33% global share of PS4 sales.
In context, that's around 38% of the first 2 months of PS4 sales in 2013, which for a product that:
Is more expensive than other sector products
Was launched at a price-conscious time of year
Received very little direct product marketing
Is primarily aimed at a subset of PS4 owners
Not too bad IMO. If JPN is anything to go by, Pro is selling at between 10-20% of overall PS4 sales, and it appears distribution has been skewed incorrectly too with SEAsia being badly affected (if Wapplew's anything to go by anyway!)
Re: Scorpio delay, a gaffer called CCIE who works with MS on the Enterprise side of things said on his last visit he mentioned Scorpio to his contacts at MS and they 'knowingly giggled' when CCIE mentioned the Holiday 2017 launch window. Maybe there've been other rumours/gossip by others too? But certainly the only mention I've seen of it on Gaf by someone being the source is CCIE's posts on it.
Scorpio sales vs Pro...until we see the thing, how MS are positioning it and price point I don't think it's possible to even make a decent guess.
So between 1.2-1.5m, which also works at the top end if you take the US ~33% global share of PS4 sales.
In context, that's around 38% of the first 2 months of PS4 sales in 2013, which for a product that:
Is more expensive than other sector products
Was launched at a price-conscious time of year
Received very little direct product marketing
Is primarily aimed at a subset of PS4 owners
Not too bad IMO. If JPN is anything to go by, Pro is selling at between 10-20% of overall PS4 sales, and it appears distribution has been skewed incorrectly too with SEAsia being badly affected (if Wapplew's anything to go by anyway!)
Re: Scorpio delay, a gaffer called CCIE who works with MS on the Enterprise side of things said on his last visit he mentioned Scorpio to his contacts at MS and they 'knowingly giggled' when CCIE mentioned the Holiday 2017 launch window. Maybe there've been other rumours/gossip by others too? But certainly the only mention I've seen of it on Gaf by someone being the source is CCIE's posts on it.
Scorpio sales vs Pro...until we see the thing, how MS are positioning it and price point I don't think it's possible to even make a decent guess.
DR2K
Banned
If you're going to label success in the console market, you should look at the entire market.
Electret
Member
SneakersSO mentioned something disappointing about Scorpio being unannounced as of yet, and I'm wondering if that's what it is. To be clear: he/she did not say Scorpio was getting delayed.
Unknown?
Member
Yeah I'd say that's a reasonable estimate. It really isn't bad at all.
I wasn't. The week of PS4 Pro's release I checked out the sold listing on ebay and they were being sold at retail price and below. When PS4 released in Nov 2013 you couldn't get one ebay for less that $500. Maybe that's was to be expected from a mid generation update, but I was also surprised at the deals from Target, Amazon, and others that happen only a few weeks after the launch. There was thread on gaf were folks were getting PS4 Pros for $324 in Nov. That has never happen with a video game console at launch. They are usually excluded from discounts because of its lack of supply.
The Mad Draklor
Member
Target was selling everything 15% off for a limited time and Amazon price matched Target in response.
Pro was always going to have weak sales, don't know what a lot of people here were thinking. We are talking about an upgraded machine with little benefits of real interest to the masses, and that has only its most effect on a new type of expensive TV that will take a couple of years to become the standard.
Scorpio will meet a even bigger failure, just you wait.
Scorpio will meet a even bigger failure, just you wait.
Nah. I'm right. Really all that matters to me.
A lot of people thought that somehow Pro would cause Playstation sales to accelerate, even though Sony itself clearly demonstrated no interest in pushing this as a huge, gamebreaking deal.
Scorpio's likely to do better than Pro because it will be contextualized as more than just a half-step. Consumers will see it as a new box. Switch and Scorpio is the start of the next gen.
Humdinger
Member
I'm not following the math here. If Pro sales are about 15% of total PS4 sales on Dec. NPD, how can they be 38% global for two months? And why are we using Nov/Dec 2013 as the divisor? Wouldn't it make more sense to use Nov/Dec 2016 data (assuming we have them)?
I'm just having trouble making sense of the figures.
edit: never mind, I get it now. You were just looking at it from a different angle than I was.
bryanee
Member
lmao sure thing buddy.
The Mad Draklor
Member
You sir, are the gift that keeps on giving.
Electret
Member
Hesemonni
Banned
Wait, he's gone? What?