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PoliGAF 2017 |OT1| From Russia with Love

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mo60

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Plinko said:
She is possibly the only candidate less relatable than Hillary was. Plus, as sad as it is, Trump has brought back rampant and blatant sexism into the forefront. I just don't think it's a good idea to run a woman candidate this time around. It only serves to motivate his base to vote even more.

I love Warren, but I think she'd be better as a VP to somebody like Biden.
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It's possible to run a women and win an election. That women just has to be qualified, energetic and appealing.
 
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Carpe Libertatem

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Bonen no Max'd said:
Sherrod Brown lives in a white-ish state but a large portion of his constituents are black and he has to rely on their turnout to win. Maybe black people in Ohio are different than those in the south, but he has the best shot of any northern white dude who might run.

That isn't to say he has it locked up, but he probably could at least keep the margins better than Bernie did if he was against a candidate who was strong there. Depends on how he plays his campaign I guess.

I don't think we need to run a white guy, even though that might help. If Duckworth can win midwesterners like Obama did I think she could be a strong candidate, though I'm unfamiliar with her otherwise so she might be a stinker on the national level. Klobuchar is probably a little too conservative to win the primary but she'd probably be strong in a general election. There's also Harris and CCM both showing interest, of course, which is "bank on AZ/FL/NC" type of run, which I'm skeptical of but that's probably their most electable strategy. Or maybe they'd actually connect really well with voters in Iowa and Minnesota, I don't really know. Where's Aaron to back up how great Brown is.
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I think Duckworth is pretty great, too. Great personal story, from the Midwest, woman of color. If not as president, maybe VP. Plus you just know Trump would say something ignorant
 
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Abinash117

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What I find interesting is that many people within the alt-right movement are very irreligious. I wonder why this people derive their hate. Typically, people usually use religion as an excuse, but these people appears to not use a excuse, it is full on hate.
 
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Bonen no Max'd

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Carpe Libertatem said:
I think Duckworth is pretty great, too. Great personal story, from the Midwest, woman of color. If not as president, maybe VP.
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Not a fan of young/inexperienced VPs, they don't really add anything to the ticket and haven't ever turned out well. See Palin, Edwards, Quayle. It doesn't grown the bench and it usually just asks the question of "why is this inexperienced kid going to be president if you die?". I don't think it really adds anything to the ticket either, since most of what a VP can add is messaging.

A Duckworth/Brown ticket would kick ass though hopefully.

Abinash117 said:
What I find interesting is that many people within the alt-right movement are very irreligious. I wonder why this people derive their hate. Typically, people usually use religion as an excuse, but these people appears to not use a excuse, it is full on hate.
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Is this true? I thought a lot of them were at least nominally Christian, because they want to protect pure white Christian America from barbarous Muslims or valueless atheist women?
 
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Makai

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Abinash117 said:
What I find interesting is that many people within the alt-right movement are very irreligious. I wonder why this people derive their hate. Typically, people usually use religion as an excuse, but these people appears to not use a excuse, it is full on hate.
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Skepticism of religion leads to skepticism of other institutions. Then substitute for innate value system.
 
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kirblar

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Bonen no Max'd said:
Not a fan of young/inexperienced VPs, they don't really add anything to the ticket and haven't ever turned out well. See Palin, Edwards, Quayle. It doesn't grown the bench and it usually just asks the question of "why is this inexperienced kid going to be president if you die?". I don't think it really adds anything to the ticket either, since most of what a VP can add is messaging.

A Duckworth/Brown ticket would kick ass though hopefully.
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Normally, you want them setting up for a run, but that's been turning out to be a bad strategy on the Dem side, they're too exposed. Biden/Cheney are the model to go with.
 
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Mobius and pet octopus

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Diablos said:
Like Trevor Noah said it seems like for only being 10-11 days in, it feels like a fucking year. Madness.
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As he put it, usually the president has aged 10 years, this time the public has.

Abinash117 said:
What I find interesting is that many people within the alt-right movement are very irreligious. I wonder why this people derive their hate. Typically, people usually use religion as an excuse, but these people appears to not use a excuse, it is full on hate.
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Alt right isn't irreligious, they're intolerant of other religions, among other prejudices.
 
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TestOfTide

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Bonen no Max'd said:
Not a fan of young/inexperienced VPs, they don't really add anything to the ticket and haven't ever turned out well. See Palin, Edwards, Quayle. It doesn't grown the bench and it usually just asks the question of "why is this inexperienced kid going to be president if you die?". I don't think it really adds anything to the ticket either, since most of what a VP can add is messaging.

A Duckworth/Brown ticket would kick ass though hopefully.
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The last 5 elections should teach us that Democrats' winning POTUS runs are a New Blood Democrat for POTUS and an old white experienced guy as VPOTUS.

Duckworth/Harris/Cortez-Masto for POTUS

Whitehouse/Markey/Brown for VPOTUS
 
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Bonen no Max'd

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Gore is younger than Clinton tho

Oh wait you said five elections, that is way too small a sample size to draw conclusions from, it's basically "Just run Obama and Biden again".
 
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TestOfTide

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Bonen no Max'd said:
Gore is younger than Clinton tho
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But Gore has always given the appearance of being older and more experienced just by being so goddamn boring.

Makai said:
Tom Hanks/Will Smith
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This reminds me, I think another thing that Democrats need to focus campaigns on is winning back millennials by hiring more youtube talent. Obviously not PewDiePie though, because then we would have to live through right-wing media bringing up every tie that dude made certain kinds of unfunny jokes.
 
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thehypocrite

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So what are the odds on a draft? Trumps attacks Iran, china takes over Taiwan, Trump does Trump like things, draft time. I asked before, but are there any places people bet on the possibility of war? What's the smart money saying?
 
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Carpe Libertatem

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thehypocrite said:
So what are the odds on a draft? Trumps attacks Iran, china takes over Taiwan, Trump does Trump like things, draft time. I asked before, but are there any places people bet on the possibility of war? What's the smart money saying?
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Unlikely. I doubt there's any real desire for this, even among Republicans. Not to mention you might see legal challenges based on the fact that women can serve in combat roles now. Most lawsuits based on that have been largely dismissed because there hasn't been a draft, but I bet that would change if there was actually a draft.
 
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tbm24

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This protest is pretty interesting to see. I see a lot of kids with make shift shields. Not sure what they're telegraphing. But they're setting a big fire now.

Always noticed how campus protests go from 0-100 so quick.
 
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Bonen no Max'd

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TestOfTide said:
But Gore has always given the appearance of being older and more experienced just by being so goddamn boring.



This reminds me, I think another thing that Democrats need to focus campaigns on is winning back millennials by hiring more youtube talent. Obviously not PewDiePie though, because then we would have to live through right-wing media bringing up every tie that dude made certain kinds of unfunny jokes.
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Maybe

now hear me out

we win millennials by pushing an agenda that they want?
 
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VendettaRed07

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thehypocrite said:
So what are the odds on a draft? Trumps attacks Iran, china takes over Taiwan, Trump does Trump like things, draft time. I asked before, but are there any places people bet on the possibility of war? What's the smart money saying?
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You have to be liked/trusted by people to move forward with something like this.

Ultimately Bush being well liked and responding well to 9/11 is what gave him the capitol to move forward with the Iraq war. He had people's trust.
 
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Mobius and pet octopus

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Bonen no Max'd

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TestOfTide said:
I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm just saying that we need Democrats to take back the memes. Dems had the memes in 2008 and 2012, then they lost them in 2016.

Memes help make ideas spread.
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I think you're confusing the relationship here. Democrats had memes in 2008 and 2012 because the kiddos loved Obama and plastered him all over the internet. They loved Bernie and plastered his memes all over the internet. The ones who love fascism spread all the Trump memes.

Trying to make the memes happen artificially will just come across as "Pokemon Go To The Polls".
 
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thehypocrite

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Carpe Libertatem said:
Unlikely. I doubt there's any real desire for this, even among Republicans. Not to mention you might see legal challenges based on the fact that women can serve in combat roles now. Most lawsuits based on that have been largely dismissed because there hasn't been a draft, but I bet that would change if there was actually a draft.
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VendettaRed07 said:
You have to be liked/trusted by people to move forward with something like this.

Ultimately Bush being well liked and responding well to 9/11 is what gave him the capitol to move forward with the Iraq war. He had people's trust.
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Well, i would be at ease if Orange vermin was a regular politician. but he isn't. I hope for the best of all outcomes this doesn't happen, but I can't rule it out either.
 
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Abinash117

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Bonen no Max'd said:
Not a fan of young/inexperienced VPs, they don't really add anything to the ticket and haven't ever turned out well. See Palin, Edwards, Quayle. It doesn't grown the bench and it usually just asks the question of "why is this inexperienced kid going to be president if you die?". I don't think it really adds anything to the ticket either, since most of what a VP can add is messaging.

A Duckworth/Brown ticket would kick ass though hopefully.

Is this true? I thought a lot of them were at least nominally Christian, because they want to protect pure white Christian America from barbarous Muslims or valueless atheist women?
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Maybe I shouldn't have said many, but appears a quite a few are. I was thinking about it when Richard Spencer was debating Roland. When Roland pushed him on religion Richard didn't seem to want to answer and just stated that he is cultural Christian. It also doesn't seem many of the alt-right even cite reasons behind their views or principles has anything to do with religion.

If notice millennials aren't very religious at all, however, that is in part largely driven by young whites whom seem to be more likely to be agnostic, atheist, or just not very faithful to any religion. Alt-right is in part an internet phenomenon and is dominated by young white men. Although, I do think many at the very least some have more positive attitudes towards Christianity despite some being non-religious. I don't have any evidence to back up my claim, but it something that I have been suspecting.

Although, I am being specific with the term alt-right, I personally don't see the typical 40+ year old trump supporter as alt-right.
 
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sphagnum

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Is this true? I thought a lot of them were at least nominally Christian, because they want to protect pure white Christian America from barbarous Muslims or valueless atheist women?
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A lot of them are and they have a particular taste for high churches (particularly Orthodox) but a lot of them also think religion is a blue pill. And there's a bunch who are atheists or neopagans who consider Christianity to be a Jewish trick.
 
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shinra-bansho

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Millennials don't have a consistent reconcilable agenda. Also the agenda doesn't matter without the feels.

"You told me to be myself, and I was hungry." Says the girl who randomly starts eating a sandwich during a client meeting.
 
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Crocodile

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So we are 100% sure those phone call leaks are legit right? The sources are reputable but they are SO crazy if they were true that I'm kind of shook. Hard to believe.
 
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B-Dubs

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Crocodile said:
So we are 100% sure those phone call leaks are legit right? The sources are reputable but they are SO crazy if they were true that I'm kind of shook. Hard to believe.
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100%? No, short of a tape coming out we can't be that sure. But this many reputable places wouldn't go to print without some verification, so odds are it happened.
 
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metalslimer

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And just for a second I thought Trump was smart enough to leave the lgbt discrimination alone for a few months

And it's not even just for the federal government.
 
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Chumley

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Plinko said:
These phone call news stories scream "fake news plants" by the administration so they can claim how terrible the media is.
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CNN is running with the Australia call right now, waiting to report on the Mexico call I think.

Even if the "invade Mexico" line didn't happen this is still yet another self-made catastrophe for POTUS. Willingly fucking up alliances for no reason. There is no positive spin here.
 
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Abinash117

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metalslimer said:
And just for a second I thought Trump was smart enough to leave the lgbt discrimination alone for a few months
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First thing you did wrong was to assume Trump was smart enough to begin with.

The one thing I learned so far that his administration is anything, but crafty, subtle, and smart.

I don't believe the Hitler connections, people like that usually take away power from the government and people, to themselves discreetly and legally.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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Trump is livetweeting his security briefings right now, wants to make sure Iraq knows that they're on the invasion list too.

Iran is rapidly taking over more and more of Iraq even after the U.S. has squandered three trillion dollars there. Obvious long ago!
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/826990079738540033

On Trump's possible invasion list:

1. Iran
2. Yemen
3. Iraq
4. Mexico
5. China
6. Find out tomorrow.


I like how Trump masterfully has buried the news of his Supreme Court pick (probably the only reason 20% of his voters supported him) so he can talk about invading countries for no reason.

This was literally the only positive news cycle for Trump so far into his presidency and it's been buried.
 
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More_Badass

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If I hear "America wasn't great when Obama was president" one more time...

It's kind of an unspoken rule to not discuss politics at dinner, and we try to get off the topic as fast as possible if it comes up, but those moments when it does...ugh
 
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Teggy

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"As we begin black history month, let's remember this nice white republican."

Vice President Pence‏ @VP

As #BlackHistoryMonth begins, we remember when Pres. Lincoln submitted the 13th Amendment, ending slavery, to the states #NationalFreedomDay
9:00 PM · Feb 1, 2017
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royalan

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With each day that passes, the more convinced I become that inciting a terrorist attack might actually be the goal of this administration.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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More_Badass said:
If I hear "America wasn't great when Obama was president" one more time...

It's kind of an unspoken rule to not discuss politics at dinner, and we try to get off the topic as fast as possible if it comes up, but those moments when it does...ugh
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Trump has destroyed U.S. hegemony and ensured that the U.S. never has the influence it did from 1940 to 2016 ever again (because if it can happen once, it can happen many times).
 
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Interesting to read the developments in the stories from within Russia tonight. Multiple intelligence agents arrested for treason, reportedly charged with leading intel to the CIA.

We really have to hope the CIA is deep in an investigation on this. There's certainly been plenty of rumor that they're less than pleased with him.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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Fighting Iran in Iraq, Yemen, and Iran (and maybe Lebanon too?) all at the same time seems like it would be really hard.

Like, that's a several front battle.
 
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Teggy

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Are transcripts made of all the president's calls? I don't ever recall something like this being given to the press.
 
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