Smiles and Cries
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1,250 is not thousands smh
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT1| From Russia with Love
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1,250 is not thousands smh
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thepotatoman
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I would guess because Trump is an underdog and an outsider.
To be completely honest as a white guy raised to be racist, I feel a lot of the same instinctual pull toward his underdog and outsiderness that I feel toward minorities.
Logically i know that's 100% wrong and I am completely against trump. Just trying to be honest about why I sort of understand how someone might feel that way.
LostMyNarbles
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This "Religious Freedom Order" is so disgusting. At this rate by the end of Trump's term the environment is going to be ravaged beyond repair, the education system is going to be set back decades, the economy is going to be in the toilet and a significant amount of the population are going to have little to no rights. I just don't know how the Democrats would even begin to fix things.
I dug a little further and one of them is very anti-Sharia from her time in Afghanistan and posts a lot about the US protesting for women's rights while ignoring it in the Middle East. Both are really into info security. I guess Trump kind of touched on those things, but to think he was the right solution for those issues - I think they're just misguided kids.
Military coup is looking like a decent option at this point.
Fox News trying to make "alt-left" a thing?
https://mobile.twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/827033907870588928/photo/1
https://mobile.twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/827033907870588928/photo/1
Much more of this, and it'd have to be in the aftermath of a coup and significant structural reforms.
benicillin
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Aw man, I preferred it when we were the 'extreme' left.
BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME! DON'T FEEL BAD FOR SUPPORTING A NAZI!!
Bonen no Max'd
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People here have used the term alt-left, even though it really just mean "lefties I don't like or find threatening".
Maybe Fox should go with "cultural Marxists", that seems to have caught on with their target audience.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I'm pretty sure anti-fascism is bipartisan, but fox news is pretty fucking dumb so... maybe they didn't get the memo.
Can't you see? They are making graffiti! That's like one step below a lynching.
Well, Republicans are just rubbing their hands with glee at being able to do everything they want, and Fox News (and their viewers) are doing the same. Right-wing partisan politics beats being anti-fascist.
No no, both sides need to be equal. If they aren't then more people might actually vote.
Endorse for no other reason than the sweet resistance art.
Who am I kidding it's already happening.
I said this in another thread, but it's gonna be funny if they ever see an actual "extreme left". The kind of movement that drops the Bourgeoisie to their knees and puts a gun in their mouths. Will really make them nostalgic for the days of complaining about safe spaces.
Doc Holliday
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I'm assuming this is a Frank Luntz special
You have to read the article about this. It's 4 girls from the Young Democrats group and they got some quote from another Young Democrat member who said they wanted to break off and do more extreme things (like graffiti against fascim!)
It's like Fox parodying itself.
Doc Holliday
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Nicholas II would love the modern "extreme left"
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Honestly, I hope that doesn't occur!
RastaMentality
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The best thing about The Resistance is that it ties into Star Wars and now my two obsessions have finally intersected.
I mean, they did when The Phantom Menace was all about taxation of trade routes but this time it's more clear cut.
Nobody "hopes" it occurs. But when they keep pushing and pushing, things reach a breaking point eventually.
I mean, they did when The Phantom Menace was all about taxation of trade routes but this time it's more clear cut.
Nobody "hopes" it occurs. But when they keep pushing and pushing, things reach a breaking point eventually.
Doc Holliday
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I hate they way Raince talks, it looks like he's trying to talk with his jaw wired shut.
RastaMentality
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It's the same artist.
Honestly, this is one time a Republican label might work in the left's favor.
Alt-left: Anarchists, arsonists, vandals, violent protesters...
Alt-right: Just as bad, but they're running the country.
It could be a label to cast out the worst people. Condemn the alt-left, and ask why Republicans won't condemn the alt-right. It's better than having them vilify socialism.
Yep this is what I'm thinking right now. We'll be in smoldering ruins if we try to take the power back within the system by 2018. I don't see how we can last much longer under this pure chaos.
neurosisxeno
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And unlike Republicans the Democrats should have no issue disavowing the Alt side. But odds are they'll pussyfoot around the claim like a bunch of spineless idiots.
It would get challenged in court and our newly appointed SCOTUS justice who loves "Fascism Forever" would claim the first amendment only applies to Christians.
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This thread tried making alt-left a thing way before that.
EDIT: example: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=214293933&postcount=16177
There are more from around that section and I think kirblar's used alt-left a fair few times to refer to Sanders and co.
ShironRedshift
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Yeah, that's the type of thing I'm thinking about in regards to it and is the type of play I think Democrats might need to make against it. It's a shady, dirty play, involving using fear of Muslims for own own gain, but since tricks are pretty much all the Democratic Party has at this point and hatred of Muslims isn't going anywhere regardless, it's an interesting tactic. To copy a post I just made in the OT thread about this exact thing where I went into more detail:
Yeah, I'm thinking this should be the play. Basically, use the bigotry of the Republican party against them and hoist them by their own petards. After all, it's worded carefully to avoid running afoul of the Equal Protections clause of the 14th Amendment by not technically putting any religion above any other. However, that being the case, it's quite possible to use that shrewdness against them as well.
The minute Trump lifts his pen from the page, Democrats should openly and loudly condemn the Executive Order as having made Muslim-based discrimination of Christians the law of the land. After all, because of their desire to avoid 14th Amendment issues, there's technically no language mentioning any specific individual religion at all and what individual faiths can and can't do with it. Thus, when challenged on this, Republicans won't be able to point to any article that prevents Christians from being refused service from Muslims simply for their being Christian, etc. It will be just as fair game as Christians denying someone service because their gay under the order. Thus, it could just as easily be said that this executive order made "Sharia Law" the law of the land by letting Muslims refuse service to Christians because of their own religious beliefs, and because of how general and sweeping the law is, they won't be able to point to any provision against it.
Republicans and Trump supporters won't give a fuck about a law that allows discrimination against the LGBT community or makes it harder for women to get a hold of contraceptives or whatever. At least, I don't want to depend on them having a soul in that area. As we've learned, that's a risky gambit that too often ends up backfiring in our faces. What they WILL care about however, and will get them fired up as much as anyone else, is if this executive order allows "Sharia Law" to become the law of the land as much as it allows discrimination against gays. That's what needs to be the play to get everyone calling on Trump to get rid of the thing.
The only way around this for them is if they admit that the true intent of the order is that it only allows Christians to do whatever they want, and it doesn't, in fact, apply equally to Muslims and those of other faiths. But the minute they're on record as saying that's the intent of the order, BAM! It can easily be struck down under the Equal Protections clause of the 14th in an open-and-shut case.
Definitely worth a try, at least. The Democrats are a minority party and their ain't many options they've got in that situation, and unfortunately the bigotry and hatred behind orders like this ain't gonna disappear any time soon. Thus, in the mean time, we can at least use their own bigotry against them to tie a rope around their necks.
EVERYONE!!! Call your Senators/Representatives and tell them not only to oppose this bill, but in opposing in use the strategy of the order being terribly worded and as such legalizing "Sharia Law" and discrimination of Christians by Muslims as much as it does discrimination of the LGBT community by Christians, and thus needs to go in order to protect Christians from Sharia Law!
It's a dirty trick, but as the minority party Democrats will have to get a bit dirty and rely on tricks like that until they're able to get power back. Until then, it's all we've got, and as I understand it, the only way around a trick like that is if they admit the law favors Christians over Muslims and treats the two groups differently, at which point it runs afoul of the 14th.
So the point would be to leave Republicans with a dilemma: Either force them to hitch their horse to an Executive Order that makes Sharia Law the law of the land as much as it does discrimination of the LGBT community, or admit the thing is completely, 100% unconstitutional. Their choice. Either way though, they lose. That's why it needs to be the play. Leave 'em with no options, and nowhere to run.
Heh. Technically no need for that though. A strict reading of the 1st Amendment is that it only applies to laws passed by Congress. Therefore, it wouldn't apply to it at all since it wasn't an act of Congress at all, but rather an Executive Order. I'm not that familiar with Constitutional Law to actually know if the 1st has been applied more broadly to that, and does in fact include Executive Orders based on past precedent of the Court, but that ain't a strategy I'd rely on regardless. It would have to be the 14th.
nature boy
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Iran on its last legs? LOL
What's the joke about him? Alcohol and fruit loops? I can't remember.
Rebel Leader
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Republican on the Australian call
"Atleast we have strong leadership unlike we had for the past 8 years"
The gop need to be gone from all forms of government
"Atleast we have strong leadership unlike we had for the past 8 years"
The gop need to be gone from all forms of government
Quite the opposite. They've taken over most of the US. Buckle up!
aspiegamer
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Trump is up and tweeting at 6am? Gonna be a looooooooong day, people. Man barely managed 7 hours between tweets overnight.
Serious answer? Probably not.
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He also tried using iran for some reason.
Every allie we have is being stomped on.
Also, buckle up? Where we going seatbelts won't help
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The ironing is delicious. They won and it means he gets four more years of this!
LOL that quote
You Know Nothing
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I just picture the effervescent facade about to crumble in on itself while reading this.
nature boy
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