There's always going to be better TVs so I'm not really sure what to say. In 2020 you'll be looking forward to HDMI 2.3 or whatever.
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: This is a fantasy based on OLED
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There's always going to be better TVs so I'm not really sure what to say. In 2020 you'll be looking forward to HDMI 2.3 or whatever.
NYR
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I'm a firm believer of "Buy now". Shit is always coming out, you can end up in a loop always waiting for something better. The industry is defined by ensuring you upgrade.
Unknown Soldier
Member
The 55" and 65" ones seem a bit pricey, but the 75" one is really reasonably priced. Like, that's a kinda crazy low price for 75". Usually you're crossing 5 figures when you get to 75".
Let's see how good the backlighting is on these things though. The Sony Z9D is more or less the gold standard of LCD backlighting now and it's a really high bar.
vivftp
Member
Still keeping an eye out for the Sony OLED prices, but they just had a preview event in London:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTDaCv3ovCY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DHw9Q2WPUM
The AVS video at least indicates the new lineup of TVs should launch in the Spring, so hopefully we don't have much longer to wait for more info.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTDaCv3ovCY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DHw9Q2WPUM
The AVS video at least indicates the new lineup of TVs should launch in the Spring, so hopefully we don't have much longer to wait for more info.
Maaaaaardy
Member
Alright boys, I'm buying a TV. KS8000 or the LG B6. Gaming primarily but also some TV, we have the Sky Q deal running in England too currently so I'd get that with the B6. Been agonising over it because I primarily play COD...currently.
B6, definitely.
B6, no contest.
55" Q7 costs as much as the KS9000 (9500 in the us) did, if it's better i can understand the price.
If you don't want to wait for this year's models, B6.
Endorphineforeverybody
Member
So prices for 2017 sony lineup are online except for the A1. Just wanted to let you guys know.
Edit: ok .com missing some, have the de/at site
https://www.sony.at/electronics/tv/t/fernseher
Edit: ok .com missing some, have the de/at site
https://www.sony.at/electronics/tv/t/fernseher
Maaaaaardy
Member
I would wait for this year, but I'm not willing or financially able to drop an extra £1000 when the prices go back up for 2017 OLED's. B6 is fantastically priced at £1700 and I don't think the gains of the '17 models can be that noticeable compared to what is already an incredible TV, right?
Also, haven't seen the B6 in person yet, well either TV. That comes Friday on my birthday!
Also, haven't seen the B6 in person yet, well either TV. That comes Friday on my birthday!
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Eh. $800 for a 49" 1080p HDR set. No clue if it will even be good HDR, I think I'll just go with the Vizio D48N-E0.
Endorphineforeverybody
Member
We will see. Overall TVs look to get more expensive in 2017. First Samsung now Sony. LG following?
A vid. i watched today claimed reviews for XE93 coming soon also had a preorder date for XE93 - 15/3 but im not sure if its a placeholder.
https://youtu.be/cmfLrIG_yYk
Im interessted in the XE90 with FALD and the normal X1 processor. FALD on the z9D is working good according to avs. Would like to have a review from ratings for the z9.
We will see ^_~
Theonik
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FALD on the ZD9 is completely different to the FALD as found on XE94. The XD94 FALD is pretty good, only thing you can get that's really better is the Panasonic 902B and the Sony ZD9 in the LCD camp.
NYR
Member
100% correct. The 2017 LG OLEDs are an incremental upgrade, you won't miss anything by getting a 2016 model. Not to mention their HLG processing will be updated to the 2016 models via firmware, so you're getting a lot of value.
Endorphineforeverybody
Member
What's the diffrence? The count? Do you think 2017 FALD XE90 XE94 will have the same as XD94?
I have both an E6 and a KS8000 in the house at the moment. Haven't set up the KS8000 yet, but will try it out tonight. Will let you know what I think of both of them later.
Maaaaaardy
Member
Yep, knew it would be small. And either way, we just need that gaming lag input patch here in England and we're good, they just won't fecking release it!!!
Awesome, what a guy! Reply here or PM me buddy. Either one is cool!
Theonik
Member
The ZD9 has a novel backlight system that allows individual LED control for ~680 zones with a brightness of 1800 nits or so for the 65" model. The XE94 will use a more typical zone based approach with slightly more than the XD94 which will also be less bright.
The backlight algorithm works differently as well as a result of these hardware differences but the XD94 had some of the best dimming controls of last year. The ZD9 backlight system also has systems to reduce bloom. XD94 tries to emulate that by being less aggressive compared to other dimming controllers at the expense of contrast.
Endorphineforeverybody
Member
Thanks for the reply and information. Have you seen some of these new Tvs in person? Also is an input lag around 20ms possible with FALD technology?
What do you think about the 2017 line up?
I find it interesting that Sony is not playing the nits/UHD Alliance game, but why? Don't get me wrong i am for quality over brightness.
Looking forward to reviews on 2017 models.
Hero of Legend
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Anyone have the Samsung 40" 4K UN40KU6270? Mine has a pretty bad ghosting effect and I'm not sure if this is common in the model or how to get rid of it, if it can even be fixed. Tried everything I could in the menus, nada.
finalflame
Gold Member
So still no prices for the OLED? The fact it's between the XE94 and ZD9 would seem to imply it's somewhere in between, I suppose. I might be moving soon so I'd sell my 65" KS8000 and likely pick up a 55" A1.
shanafan
Member
Looking for some insight on this question.
I have been researching 4K monitors, and learning that most of them have HDMI 1.4. Meanwhile, it seems like most 4K TVs have HDMI 2.0. In order for me to enjoy 4K content, such as Xbox One S 4K bluray playback, I need an HDMI 2.0 connection.
Why would these monitors not have HDMI 2.0? Why HDMI 1.4? If they are 4K, wouldn't HDMI 2.0 just be there by default? Or.. would most people with a 4K monitor use DisplayPort, so it's a non-issue?
I learned about this stuff while researching what is an appropriate monitor that can do 4K/60hz for PS4 Pro.
I have been researching 4K monitors, and learning that most of them have HDMI 1.4. Meanwhile, it seems like most 4K TVs have HDMI 2.0. In order for me to enjoy 4K content, such as Xbox One S 4K bluray playback, I need an HDMI 2.0 connection.
Why would these monitors not have HDMI 2.0? Why HDMI 1.4? If they are 4K, wouldn't HDMI 2.0 just be there by default? Or.. would most people with a 4K monitor use DisplayPort, so it's a non-issue?
I learned about this stuff while researching what is an appropriate monitor that can do 4K/60hz for PS4 Pro.
I noticed that if you go through the pre-order process on Samsung's site, it says QLED's will be available in late February... That's so soon 😳
Also, I had a Sony vendor tell me their new sets will be dropping in early April, with demos hitting Best Buy stores in late March.
Still no idea on LG sets, though.
Also, I had a Sony vendor tell me their new sets will be dropping in early April, with demos hitting Best Buy stores in late March.
Still no idea on LG sets, though.
Interested in the 75". Will be interesting to hear more about the QLED tv:s as soon reviewers get hold of them.
Still hoping that the 77" OLED will drop significantly in price, but i'm not holding my breath.
Endorphineforeverybody
Member
Nope No Price for the OLED. 3999 would be my guess for the 55".
Maaaaaardy
Member
The A1 isn't available in 55 is it?
Endorphineforeverybody
Member
Was asking myself the same question: couldn't find something on the sony site. Vid i found:
https://youtu.be/reoIgprs3Ng
Start at 0:20
For what it's worth, a 75" X940D is only $4000 with free mounting from Best Buy. So that's not an insane price.
immortal-joe
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Hi guys can anyone shed some light on LG's LED models from 2016
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01C9CYH1E/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Good fit for console and PC gaming?
Yes I realize it won't be perfect for PC but I've been using an old 60 inch Samsung 6 series and it's been working fine for me.
Side note: Does the b6 go by any other name based on the region? Same question for the KS8000
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01C9CYH1E/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Good fit for console and PC gaming?
Yes I realize it won't be perfect for PC but I've been using an old 60 inch Samsung 6 series and it's been working fine for me.
Side note: Does the b6 go by any other name based on the region? Same question for the KS8000
Retromelon
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the lg will be great for console and range from pretty good to terrible for PC, depending on your tolerance for image retention. It boils down to this: if you can put up with some temporary IR from UI's and static screen overlays, go with LG. If it's a dealbreaker, buy a ks8000 or vizio p
Later Alligator
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65" e6p waiting for me at home 
65" e6p waiting for me at home
Hopefully you have a helper. I moved a 55E6 alone but wouldn't do it with a 65. It feels so fragile.
Later Alligator
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my wife, TV is super light just awkward because of the size
we were able to install the mounts and everything, then bring the tv over on the ground. getting it onto the mount was super easy
From memory the Z9D is around 26ms when fed a 4K source, unfortunately I don't have the tools to test it myself, but it feels very responsive. It's definitely possible with FALD sets, but you might have to disable local dimming to get the absolute lowest input lag.
How do you mean? They currently have the TV with the highest nits on the market, that exceeds the Alliances specs, they're just not paying for the licensing to have that branding on their TVs as they prefer their own.
holygeesus
Banned
That doesn't make any sense. Gaming will be the same on both. IR is not a big deal at all. I've noticed it in one game, and that's with 1000s of hours game time on the B6. Even then it was gone in seconds. Have you gamed on one?
Has the response time been improved since launch? HDTV test report the lowest reading as 42ms in Game mode with all processing off.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kd65zd9-201610164372.htm
ScaryShark
Banned
Got my 65" b series mounted this evening. I really appreciate all the discussion in this thread and the previous one that finally got me to go ahead and get it.
I've owned high end Panasonic plasmas and a bunch of expensive Sony sets and this is easily the nicest television I've ever owned. It's he one that feels like it has the least drawbacks or compromises of any that I've owned.
I'm going from a 65" 4K TV without HDR and the difference that makes alone is night and day. Especially if you have any interest in UHD movies.
If you're on the edge I couldn't recommend the TV more. Thanks again.
I've owned high end Panasonic plasmas and a bunch of expensive Sony sets and this is easily the nicest television I've ever owned. It's he one that feels like it has the least drawbacks or compromises of any that I've owned.
I'm going from a 65" 4K TV without HDR and the difference that makes alone is night and day. Especially if you have any interest in UHD movies.
If you're on the edge I couldn't recommend the TV more. Thanks again.
Alright, here's my thoughts on LG OLED (E6) vs Samsung KS8000. As I mentioned yesterday, I own both at the moment, and will return one of them.
First, both TVs have their pros and cons, so it's essentially a matter of finding out which drawbacks you can live with. I use my TV mainly for gaming (PS4 Pro) and watching movies (Blu-ray and streaming).
I'll start with the OLED. This is my second E6 - the picture quality is obviously great and the perfect black level is the main reason for that, but my first E6 had very noticeable vignetting and vertical bands. That led me to return it and get a replacement. The E6 I have now has good uniformity, but this one doesn't show true black with gamma at 2.2. I believe this is because of the factory calibration, and that a professional calibrator can sort that out by reducing the luminance in the lower IREs when calibrating. Motion could also be better on the OLEDs.
Since gaming takes up much of my time when I'm using the TV, I'd like to have a great picture for gaming as well. And unfortunately, this is my main gripe with this TV; LG has for some reason decided to lock the colour gamut in SDR Game Mode to Wide, which oversaturates colours. On top of that, there's no option to adjust the white balance in SDR Game Mode. This was one of the reasons which made me buy a KS8000, as you can calibrate the Game Mode. It's simply mind-boggling that this isn't possible on the LG OLEDs.
So, I went out and got the KS8000 yesterday to compare it to the E6. In Norway, more often than not, you have a 30 days return window.
The KS8000 is brighter and the Game Mode is super responsive, and the option to calibrate and get an accurate picture in Game Mode is appreciated. I was a bit concerned with blur and ghosting, but it was fine. No judder either, as far as I could see.
The contrast was good, but not great. Contrast-wise, the OLED offers a better and more punchy picture, thanks to the perfect blacks, and the KS8000 couldn't keep up with the OLED at this point. I might have gotten a bad panel, but the KS8000 also exhibited very noticeable backlight bleed and blooming, even when using low backlight (30-40%), and that is the biggest turn-off for me so far. Rtings reported very little backlight bleed on their set - I can safely say that the backlight bleed on mine is intolerable, especially after owning the E6 since December.
I will therefore return the KS8000 and keep the LG E6. The plan is to keep the set for two or three years, and get a Sony or Panasonic OLED, when the OLEDs hopefully are brighter and no longer have near-black issues.
If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask.
Unexpected twist right there!
I have the b6. Aren't the true blacks easily achieved by lowering brightness?
I lose them at brightness 51.
Retromelon
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I didn't say gaming would be the same on both because most people do more than only game on their pc's, which means an increased potential for static overlays to leave faint IR behind. It's great you've barely noticed it at all but anecdotal evidence isn't universal and its better to be aware than sorry
Not on my second E6. There's a visible glow with 50 brightness and 2.2. gamma. Decreasing the brightness doesn't help either. Pretty sure a calibrator can sort that out - though, not in Game Mode, sadly. Will have to keep using High1 gamma when gaming in SDR.
Edit: For the record, this is just with 2.2. gamma. With BT.1886/2.4/High1 gamma, it shows perfect blacks without problems. That's why I believe a professional calibration will fix this issue.
Endorphineforeverybody
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Thx for the reply, zd9 has 42 ms in Game Mode. The XD94 has 35 ms.
For the ZD9 this is true for the XD94 around 700-800 nits. I expect the XE94 to be somewhere there as well as the XE90 series. Under the 1000 nits barrier.
I dont think its just because of the fee but for the average consumer who looks for this kind of things. I already hear them "1600 for a 49" and doesn't even is UHD Premium" (xe90).
For me personal, as i said, dont care about the amount of nits that much.
Btw. If i understood correctly you are an owner of a ZD9, you have a gorgeous set ^_~
holygeesus
Banned
He specifically said gaming on PC though. And sorry but first hand experience (on my part) is better than pure speculation, which is what you seem to be offering. You can look at the same static overlay for hours on end, but they will be gone after you turn the set off and come back to it later, as the compensation cycle cleans it up. It's how they are designed. I personally wouldn't use it solely as a PC monitor, more because of the tinting that effects these sets on pure while backdrops, rather than any IR. You won't notice it during normal use (or gaming) but same colour backdrops, such as all-white desktops or web-pages, will show the impact of this.
It's also why people report the problem when watching ice-hockey. All white backdrops will show up any tinting these sets have, and they all have some, because they are designed to be brighter on the sides, hence showing a slightly different colour on an all white screen.
These sets aren't perfect, but they do seem to draw criticism from people who don't have much first-hand experience with them, for whatever reason.
sobaka770
Banned
I just went the other way and got a C6 oled instead of ks8000. So far it's worth every penny.
Ks8000 is brighter and yes, it's easier to spot HDR content because it burns your eyes. Probably better for a bright room. However, it is objectively worse overall because edge lit screen does create artifacts and halos which you notice easily after comparing the two. In a game like the last of us I had to look hard to even notice the HDR effect on Samsung while on OLED is immediately apparent. I'd also argue that colors on KS8000 in HDR look off, I never could make it look good between clarity, saturation and faithful color reproduction. Don't forget that for Netflix you'll lose Dolby vision if that matters.
The perfect blacks make all the content look great on the OLED, while KS8000 is good but not jaw-dropping in standard mode. If you want to save money, you can downgrade to a cheaper OLED, but I don't think I would like to go back to LCD, even though it's 1000 CHF cheaper.
As a side note, i find the 3D on C6 absolutely stunning, I loved watching zootropolis on it, better than cinema experience, everything is crisp and clear. It's such a pity that 3D gets phased out, as we finally have a good technology which is not obnoxious to accommodate and looks great (active shutter glasses were always a mistake).
Thanks for your reply.
I actually went out and bought a KS8000 to compare. As I wrote in my long post above, I've decided to return it and keep the E6.
sobaka770
Banned
I was going through the thread too slowly it seems. I do see the issue with color oversaturation for gaming on C6, hopefully it can be mitigated somewhat. Im sorry to hear about the light bleed issues, I didn't notice a strong light bleed on my KS8000.
I do however believe that even without it, the advantages in HDR, contrast and color would lead you to the same conclusion. Welcome back to OLED club.
Except he said PC gaming, not general use. Gaming is gaming.
I'd never use my HTPC for general use, as it just isn't feasible from the couch. Steam big picture mode is the best.
holygeesus
Banned
Can't you just adjust the colour temperature to compensate for the oversaturation? I have set mine way different to the default and it's pretty close to ISF mode imo. I don't have the number as I'm away from the set but seem to recall massively swinging the bar to the left of the screen reduces saturation.