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Uncharted 4 was probably last years most overrated title.

FF7 is one of the most unaesthetically games ever, especially the character models. FF9 is on the other hand one of the most aesthetically pleasing FF titles.

Goldeneye 64 is one of the ugliest titles ever made too, it was even very fugly when it released. Compare it to OpenGL Quake for example or Half - Life even wich is released in the same era.
 

PrimeBeef

Member
Scalpers and game colllectors are two sides of the same coin. Both take an out of stock item and jack the price up to screw you over.

Yet gamers hold a dislike for scalpers, while happily accepting that the collectors price gouging indicates the game's worth.
Curious how collectors do this? I thought collectors collect. Wouldn't they be scalpers and not collectors if they turned around and sold? Maybe I'm fighting on semantic mole hill.
 

PrimeBeef

Member
Uncharted 4 was probably last years most overrated title.

FF7 is one of the most unaesthetically games ever, especially the character models. FF9 is on the other hand one of the most aesthetically pleasing FF titles.

Goldeneye 64 is one of the ugliest titles ever made too, it was even very fugly when it released. Compare it to OpenGL Quake for example or Half - Life even wich is released in the same era.
It's even uglier playing 4 player split screen on an 11" TV.😀
 
It's even uglier playing 4 player split screen on an 11" TV.😀

I played the splitscreen at a classmates place in the late 90's, wasnt on a 11" screen but probably 24" or so. But it was hard enough to figure out what the hell was happening and it controlled like ASS with the N64 gamepad.

This game probably has the most rose tinted glasses of any game ever.
 

Ladekabel

Member
Sony Fanboys have become as insufferable as Nintendo Fanboys if not even more. Shooting down every criticism and branding it as hate.

Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag is the Revenge of the Sith of the Assassin's Creed franchise. Mediocre at best it came after two terrible entries and is seen more positive than it has any rights.

If Mario 3D World/Land isn't a real 3D Platformer than the original Crash Bandicoot series was never one.
 
Sony Fanboys have become as insufferable as Nintendo Fanboys if not even more. Shooting down every criticism and branding it as hate.

Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag is the Revenge of the Sith of the Assassin's Creed franchise. Mediocre at best it came after two terrible entries and is seen more positive than it has any rights.

If Mario 3D World/Land isn't a real 3D Platformer than the original Crash Bandicoot series was never one.

The series has been mediocre at best since Brotherhood IMO.
 

PrimeBeef

Member
I played the splitscreen at a classmates place in the late 90's, wasnt on a 11" screen but probably 24" or so. But it was hard enough to figure out what the hell was happening and it controlled like ASS with the N64 gamepad.

This game probably has the most rose tinted glasses of any game ever.

We used to play on an 11" B&W in my wife's(GF at the time)grandma's garage. 4 guys on bar stools hunched over a tiny TV. Good times.
 

Pixieking

Banned
Sony Fanboys have become as insufferable as Nintendo Fanboys if not even more. Shooting down every criticism and branding it as hate.

Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag is the Revenge of the Sith of the Assassin's Creed franchise. Mediocre at best it came after two terrible entries and is seen more positive than it has any rights.

If Mario 3D World/Land isn't a real 3D Platformer than the original Crash Bandicoot series was never one.

I've never considered original Crash Bandicoot a 3D platformer in the true sense. It's a 2D platformer with a 3D perspective and a couple of concessions to "3D". Released now, it would be called a 2.5D platformer, I think. Love it or loathe it, but Mario 64 is what a 3D platformer ought to be in movement and world.
 

Mike Golf

Member
Curious how collectors do this? I thought collectors collect. Wouldn't they be scalpers and not collectors if they turned around and sold? Maybe I'm fighting on semantic mole hill.

Some collectors will seek out numerous copies of an already scarce item to then price fix it ridculously high to make large profits re-selling them later. The other issue is those who are simply collecting for the value of the games, i.e. see the 90s Beanie Baby craze, can end up driving up the value of what would otherwise be cheap games to get because there's just so many of them trying to build up a complete collection with the hopes of the value driving up and selling it as a whole later.

A perfect example is Stadium Events on the NES, this would not be a multi-thousand dollar game if not for collectors because it's universally considered to be crap as a game. If all there were were retro gaming enthusisats that simply want to get games to play them, tons of high value titles today would be worth almost nothing.
 
That's pretty much par for the course with new characters in the SF games, though.
Dude, don't even let me start about Viper...

I don't know what to think animore.
It's ok to have some lame character if they somehow fit in with other characters. Deejay is lame but somehow worked fine in SSFII. Birdie was lame in Alpha but worked fine. Same goes for Fuerte in IV.

The problem I've got with Alpha's Karin, SFIV's Viper and Hakan, SF III's Remy and all SFV's newcomers it's I don't feel they even belong to a SF game.
It doesn't matter if they're cool or lame. They're just totally out of place.
 

Lebneney

Banned
1-2-Switch is going to be a surprise from Nintendo and actually be a killer app that is a must need for a party.

It will be bundled with the Nintendo Switch during the holiday 2017 season and from then on, that will be the only way to get a Switch.
 

N4Us

Member
Scalpers and game colllectors are two sides of the same coin. Both take an out of stock item and jack the price up to screw you over.

Yet gamers hold a dislike for scalpers, while happily accepting that the collectors price gouging indicates the game's worth.

I think it's mostly due to attitudes when dealing with certain sellers of older titles. I've met all sorts of sellers over a decade or so and I've noticed it. People who scalp/mainly in it for the buck will only drop it for the highest price they find on some unsold eBay listing and won't even sell a dirty busted GBC cart for less than $20. Collectors/people more passionate about the hobby usually sell for at least some kind of discount, listen to offers, will be upfront about the game conditions, play them, etc.

Of course there are exceptions, met people in both camps who don't fit those descriptors, and there are some 'honest game collectors' just as scummy as scalpers.

A perfect example is Stadium Events on the NES, this would not be a multi-thousand dollar game if not for collectors because it's universally considered to be crap as a game. If all there were were retro gaming enthusisats that simply want to get games to play them, tons of high value titles today would be worth almost nothing.

Personally disagree. If the latter was the true reality, yeah prices would be a bit cheaper and Stadium Events/NWC would drop hard, but there'd likely still be demands going on, especially for NES games, which are just getting older and are popping up less as time goes on.

Contra's a common, but high-demand, game that sells for a bit more now than it used to. If all the fans suddenly wanted a copy of that right now, would that dry up stock even more? It's not even accounting into scarce/endyear games that are actually really good like Panic Restaurant, which I think would go for even more insane prices in that scenario.

It's all theory and I could be wrong and in that reality every copy of Pocky and Rocky 2 and Air Raid would sell for a quarter in bins everywhere. And it's not like I think it doesn't suck either; The market's really shifted from what it used to be and whether people are hoarding them or not my number of good finds are getting lower each year. But I feel like bigger prices were an inevitability at some point and only having 'retro gaming enthusiants' own them wouldn't drastically change issues people have with it.

Tl;dr Just get a flashcart if prices are that bad for you
 

Blindy

Member
I still don't get how Gears of War is such a beloved franchise. I played all 4 in an 8 month span so maybe shame on me for tormenting myself through the bullet sponge hell and onslaught of set enemies but Gears Of War 1 Remastered was mediocre at best(Don't get me started on the AI in that game, my god....might be among the worst I have ever played), Gears of War 2 was average until the very end and at that point the game just ends just when the final 30 or so minutes were actually fun, Gears 3 might be the best entry in the series and that was good, not great and Gears 4 is average at best. Hardly can I say did I feel much innovation in any of the games.....and I am all for games to never lose their identity but it felt so much of the same and by Gears 2 honestly I felt fatigued by the heavy amount of enemies that can one shot you and take a gazillion bullets to track down.

This is one of the biggest Microsoft exclusives in the brand's history, yeesh. You'd think Cliffy B for being so open in saying what is on his mind would at least back it up with some quality level design from this franchise or am I missing out on some of his other work?

I have yet to play through Judgment but if it's seriously a trials type of game, I don't know honestly how much I want to go through that.

Very seldom can I honestly say I had some smiles on my face when playing any games of this franchise, I don't know if I honestly had fun playing it. Very few missions gave me any kind of satisfaction or enjoyment and in GOW 1's case, the satisfaction was putting the game down in completion and just laughing at the final boss being glitched out to a gigantic laugh that this wasn't fixed in the remastered.
 

Okolonans

Neo Member
This one isn't unpopular to most people, but on NeoGAF it probably is: Walking simulators aren't games. Games are not the same as virtual environments or interactive stories.

Zelda is the most overrated series of all-time. That it's inspired such a huge and enthusiastic fandom is a testament to the fact that the public at large has terrible taste. It has cool music and Zelda 1 had decent depth, but aside from that it's a shallow game series without much to offer.

Story matters for less than nothing in games. The best games generally have minimum stories, and games with a heavy story focus are generally terrible--see The Last of Us, Uncharted, TellTale games, etc.

Most popular YouTube gaming critics are fucking horrible. Examples being Noah Caldwell-Gervais, MrBTongue, Matthewmatosis, etc.

Super Smash Bros. Melee is probably the best video game ever made.

Overwatch is one of the most overrated games of all-time. TF2 is better in almost every relevant respect. Overwatch matchmaking is better and it has more players. That's about all I can think of. TF2 has much more depth.

The "Souls games are built for one-on-one encounters" meme needs to die. Multiple enemy combat in Souls game is fun and fair.
 
MGSV is the best Metal Gear game, and it isn't even remotely close.

Also the Souls series is trash, and wouldn't be nearly as popular if it didn't become shorthand for instant GAMER CRED. "It's really hard" does not make a game automatically good.
 

GamerJM

Banned
Most popular YouTube gaming critics are fucking horrible. Examples being Noah Caldwell-Gervais, MrBTongue, Matthewmatosis, etc.

Who are good gaming critics then, iyo? (if there are any)

For some reason you remind me a lot of a guy who wrote a website/blog talking about why he thinks these guys are all bad critics, since he emphasized mechanics/depth over all other aspects of games and seemingly thought competitive multiplayer games were inherently superior to everything else (and Melee's your favorite game).
 

KalBalboa

Banned
Resident Evil 4 has always had rigid, cruddy, bad controls in my book.

I appreciate all it tried to do and how it helped usher in more third person shooters with proper shooting, but I've played it several times over the years and never found it terribly playable.

Resident Evil 7 is better than Resident Evil 4.

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I concur.
 

Okolonans

Neo Member
Who are good gaming critics then, iyo? (if there are any)

For some reason you remind me a lot of a guy who wrote a website/blog talking about why he thinks these guys are all bad critics, since he emphasized mechanics/depth over all other aspects of games and seemingly thought competitive multiplayer games were inherently superior to everything else (and Melee's your favorite game).

The guy you're talking about is Chris Wagar of CritPoints. I sound like him because I'm a fan of his and I share a lot of opinions with him.

Good game critics in my opinion:
Chris Wagar
SuperBunnyHop
Novacanoo
Joseph Anderson
Turbo Button
Frank Lantz is hit-and-miss
 

Torokil

Member
-Every Sony console is worse than the one that came before it, but maybe thats just me getting old and jaded.

-Smash 4 is a million times better than Melee

-I don't think the switch is going to do well, at all. May even do worse than Wii U.

-Valve just isn't a good company anymore and it bewilders me how they fly under the radar with their shit. They don't make games anymore and instead are trying to monetize the fuck out of every nook and cranny on steam - which is in a desperate need of a complete overhaul at this point.
 

Okolonans

Neo Member
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There isn't a lot of justification in this thread.

Usually more plausible claims don't beg for justifications as much as obviously ridiculous ones. Melee is amazing simply because it has a ridiculous amount of depth, great virtual sensation, and it's accessible to everyone.
 
Usually more plausible claims don't beg for justifications as much as obviously ridiculous ones. Melee is amazing simply because it has a ridiculous amount of depth, great virtual sensation, and it's accessible to everyone.

Saying Smash 4 is a better game than Melee isn't "obviously ridiculous" just an FYI.
 

MoonFrog

Member
Usually more plausible claims don't beg for justifications as much as obviously ridiculous ones. Melee is amazing simply because it has a ridiculous amount of depth, great virtual sensation, and it's accessible to everyone.

This is the controversial opinion thread. I don't think you can count on the opinion presented being intuitively plausible to other people, unless it isn't truly controversial.

I mean I chose the melee one because it was on topic, but you have some whoppers in your post that are sitting there unjustified.

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I'm not suggesting don't engage. It was just the tone of the post set me off, when you have your own set of controversial opinions just a couple posts ahead.

Like, say, I think I have pretty good taste in games and Zelda are some of my favorite games. If I were curious as to why you think a) they are overrated, b) how good you actually think they are, c) what metrics you are using, d) why are those the proper metrics, e) even if they are good metrics, are they the only ones, etc., I don't think it would be conducive to teasing that out to ask in that pointed and aggressive way.

IDK. That's my advice at least.
 

Budi

Member
This one isn't unpopular to most people, but on NeoGAF it probably is: Walking simulators aren't games. Games are not the same as virtual environments or interactive stories.

Even games you don't care for are still games. Why get up in arms about it? If you look back at history of games, we've always had broad variety of genres that are nothing alike. Even text adventures are games. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_Cave_Adventure Don't be such a casual and dismiss gaming history.
 
Console Zeldas have been shit since TWW and BotW looks empty and bland with outdated gameplay mechanics - I'm pretty convinced that the hype for that game is nothing but wishful thinking and if it was being made by any other company it would be on nobody's radar.

I also fully expect it to score 9+ regardless of it's actual quality and just like with TP and SS, it will take a year before people can be objective about it and just like with those two games, the review scores will stand in stark contrast to the preserving feeling amongst gamers.
 

VDenter

Banned
RareWare did not go downhill when it was bought by Microsoft. They peaked as soon as DKC2 released and since then its been a slow but sure way down the mountain. I liked Banjo Kazooie but when people say ridiculous things like "better than Mario 64" it really cracks me up. Tooie was just eh and DK64 was trash. Conker was a fun novelty but its pretty bare bones from a game play perspective. Goldeneye was alright but going back to play it now its terrible in fact you would be hard pressed to make a worse FPS in today climate than Goldeneye. Honestly Star Fox Adventures was not even a big step down from some of their previous offerings its just that people grew up. Same goes for some of the games they released on Xbox like Grabbed by the Ghoulies or Kameo. Nintendo fans like to blame Microsoft for Rare but the reality is much closer that rare was never the be all and end all studio.
 
RareWare did not go downhill when it was bought by Microsoft. They peaked as soon as DKC2 released and since then its been a slow but sure way down the mountain. I liked Banjo Kazooie but when people say ridiculous things like "better than Mario 64" it really cracks me up. Tooie was just eh and DK64 was trash. Conker was a fun novelty but its pretty bare bones from a game play perspective. Goldeneye was alright but going back to play it now its terrible in fact you would be hard pressed to make a worse FPS in today climate than Goldeneye. Honestly Star Fox Adventures was not even a big step down from from some of their previous offerings its just that people grew up. Same goes for some of the games they released on Xbox like Grabbed by the Ghoulies or Kameo. Nintendo fans like to blame Microsoft for Rare but the reality is much closer that rare was never the be all and end all studio.

its like you had your conclusion set before the evidence in front of you.

goldeneye being alright?

no mention of perfect dark. mate stop it pls.
 

VDenter

Banned
its like you had your conclusion set before the evidence in front of you.

goldeneye being alright?

no mention of perfect dark. mate stop it pls.

Evidence? Care to show me what that evidence is exactly. Because nothing Rare put out during the Microsoft era was nearly as bad as the crap pile known as DK64.With the exception of Kinect Sports and even that can be argued. So this notion that Rare started dying when Microsoft bought them is nonsense.They were already slowly dying at Nintendo. Yes Goldeneye was just alright,comparing it to any other FPS on PC back then shows that it was really not the pinnacle of its genre. More to the point its completely unplayable in 2017. I forgot about Perfect Dark and it aged only slightly more gracefully than Goldeneye witch is not saying much.
 
I found the Uncharted games to be average at best (not bad), i never understood the hype! The graphics and attention to details are freakishly amazing, and the cinematography is great! but the setting, story, characters are shit to me!

And the gameplay is average, the shooting part aren't that interesting and the plateforming isn't really that... you just follow the obvious path with one button and you never fail, it's just boring!

Uncharted 4 was a little bit better with the infiltration choice, but the pacing was atrocious (let's find a crate, boost me up, push this crate, boost me up!)

Linear Castlevania > Metroidvania

i agree 100%, but i still love the igavania style!
 
Unpopular - since every thread mentioning it gets closed. Stuff like the Xim keyboard and mouse adaptor, or the officially licensed HORI mouse abomination, are terrible for console gaming, which for competitive should enforce controller only. Mouse is a cheat in FPS games when most people are playing with controllers. Like going to an archery tournament with a sniper rifle. Nothing will convince me otherwise, you are all wrong (now including Sony it seems.)
 
Unpopular - since every thread mentioning it gets closed. Stuff like the Xim keyboard and mouse adaptor, or the officially licensed HORI mouse abomination, are terrible for console gaming, which for competitive should enforce controller only. Mouse is a cheat in FPS games when most people are playing with controllers. Like going to an archery tournament with a sniper rifle. Nothing will convince me otherwise, you are all wrong (now including Sony it seems.)

wait there's actually people who thinks that's okay? I don't play FPS on console, but yeah, allowing keyboard+mouse to compete against controller is dumb
 
Evidence? Care to show me what that evidence is exactly. Because nothing Rare put out during the Microsoft era was nearly as bad as the crap pile known as DK64.With the exception of Kinect Sports and even that can be argued. So this notion that Rare started dying when Microsoft bought them is nonsense.They were already slowly dying at Nintendo. Yes Goldeneye was just alright,comparing it to any other FPS on PC back then shows that it was really not the pinnacle of its genre. More to the point its completely unplayable in 2017. I forgot about Perfect Dark and it aged only slightly more gracefully than Goldeneye witch is not saying much.


agree to disagreeeeeee mate.
 

Budi

Member
Unpopular - since every thread mentioning it gets closed. Stuff like the Xim keyboard and mouse adaptor, or the officially licensed HORI mouse abomination, are terrible for console gaming, which for competitive should enforce controller only. Mouse is a cheat in FPS games when most people are playing with controllers. Like going to an archery tournament with a sniper rifle. Nothing will convince me otherwise, you are all wrong (now including Sony it seems.)

wait there's actually people who thinks that's okay? I don't play FPS on console, but yeah, allowing keyboard+mouse to compete against controller is dumb

How about using a controller on PC? For a game like For Honor in example controller is seen to be the much better option. I guess that goes for any fighting game.

Or using somekind of Elite controller on a console, seems like these get advantage atleast in For Honor for having an option to rebind buttons.
 

ffvorax

Member
The only fun thing about Half Life 2 is the physic. All else is just a boring game.
I really loved HL1, great and fun game, with a nice story and overall a better game in everything.
 

Pixieking

Banned
Unpopular - since every thread mentioning it gets closed. Stuff like the Xim keyboard and mouse adaptor, or the officially licensed HORI mouse abomination, are terrible for console gaming, which for competitive should enforce controller only. Mouse is a cheat in FPS games when most people are playing with controllers. Like going to an archery tournament with a sniper rifle. Nothing will convince me otherwise, you are all wrong (now including Sony it seems.)

If you're talking only about the bolded point, yeah, I can see where you're coming from. From a general "we should allow as many people as possible to play our games casually, so having accessibility options is good" I would argue you're wrong, but for pure competitive play, sure.
 
- Dragon Age 2 is a fantastic game, and infinitely better than Inquisition.

DA:O is still best, but other than bland textures and reused dungeons, DA2 is a fantastic game. DA:I is an offline MMORPG with garbage combat system.

- Resident Evil 4 ruined the franchise. REmake, Zero, CV, 2, 3 are all better games.

RE4 was a good game, but it ruined the Resident Evil Franchise on a gameplay and a storyline level.

- Ocarina of time was the last good Zelda game, but cemented everything terrible about the current series.

Zelda Franchise has been stuck in a very boring loop/standard set by OOT. It has not progressed in any way other than graphically. It's rehashed boring shit every time now. It might as well be a sports game, updated roster/graphics each iteration, same game. Link to the Past is the GOAT Zelda game, followed by Zelda 2.

- Zelda 2 is better than Zelda 1.

It just is!

- MGS5 is one of the biggest disappointments of all time.

Maybe not as controversial as it feels. Have heard many people on this forum echo my thoughts. Ruined Big Boss and the Franchise. Unfinished garbage that got lost in mundane wonders of "Open World gameplay".

- MGS4 is my favorite game all time.

I rate MGS3 an overall better game. But I have never enjoyed a game as much as I enjoyed MGS4. GIVE ME MORE CUT SCENES PLEASE! A movie that I get to play parts of? YES

- Assassin's Creed has always sucked

Every one of them.

- Super Metroid is the GOAT Metroid


GTFO Prime.
 

Mozendo

Member
The only fun thing about Half Life 2 is the physic. All else is just a boring game.
I really loved HL1, great and fun game, with a nice story and overall a better game in everything.

Same.
The way I see it Half-Life 2 is a tech-demo just like CroTeam has Serious Sam, Crysis/Far Cry with CryTek, etc.
Difference with the other games that they're fun, Half-Life 2 is so damn dull.
 
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