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[RexNovis]

I've done a bit of testing and it seems like the framerate in menus is not capped in Action mode on the Pro resulting in what feels like dangerously high heat levels. High enough in fact to warp the plastic on mine a bit. Nothing too serious mind you just a bit of an indent in the plastic; difficult to see but easy to feel when running your hand over the surface. Movie mode however does not seem to have an uncapped framerate in menus and as a result my Pro feels relatively cool to the touch after my sessions playing in that mode.

Before anyone asks yes I cleaned out the vents on my pro just ot be certain dust/obstruction was not an issue and I have is in an open air hutch to promote best possible airflow. I noticed the warped plastic after I had left the game running for an hour or so on a menu while I went out to eat lunch. Further testing confirmed the menus are a strain point for the HW in Action mode but seemingly no increase to fan noise or heat in Movie mode.

So, I would encourage fellow pro owners to, for the time being, use movie mode until a patch is released that caps menu framerates to reduce the heat strain on the HW. Here's hoping we see a patch relatively soon.


Edit: for those who asked here's the best picture I could take to try and highlight the minor warping of the plastic

Update: Digital Foundry's Dark10x has chimed in to inform that the framerate is indeed locked on menus so that's not the reason my fan speed spiked up whenever in them. So great news for everyone playing Nioh.

That's extremely bizarre and seems impossible to me simply because Nioh leaves vertical sync engaged at all times. For this to be an issue, the menus would have to operate with v-sync disabled which WOULD cause the frame-rate to jump sky high. As it stands, however, this isn't the case - v-sync is always engaged so the frame-rate should never exceed 60 frames per second.

When this has happened on the PC, it was always an issue in cases where users disabled v-sync.

If you're running into heat issues with the system, it's not likely tied to the menu or anything specific like that. It seems more like a general system fault to me.

As suggested I'm going to look into replacing my Pro. However, with so many others reporting similar issues in certain menus it seems like my HW isn't the only culprit here. Clearly something is amiss that is stressing the HW in certain menus. Perhaps my situation was exacerbated by HW faults but my HW is clearly not the only thing at fault here.

 

[darthbob]

It's like Starcraft II all over again.

 

[Kyoufu]

I can actually hear my PS4 Pro fans ramp up whenever I use the Blacksmith in this game. Pls fix, Team Ninja.

Also, I ain't using movie mode. Fuck that.

 

[icespide]

well I definitely wouldn't leave that menu up for an hour like that. Not excusing it mind you

 

[MrS]

Any photos of this warped plastic, Rex? I believe you, just wanna see it.

 

[Wereroku]

I can actually hear my PS4 Pro fans ramp up whenever I use the Blacksmith in this game. Pls fix, Team Ninja.

Yep don't here anything from the fans while playing the game but as soon as go into the blacksmith my fans sound like a hair dryer.

 

[Ricerocket]

I'm surprised this is still a thing. Are devs not aware or not told about menu's left uncapped will push a GPU to render too much?

 

[Baldwin_the_First]

Same thing here. Thought my ps4 pro was about to launch lol.

 

[RoboPlato]

There's a number of games where menus can make the Pro fans go nuts even though actual gameplay is reasonable quier. The Depot in MWR is the biggest culprit for me. I wonder why those tend not to be capped properly.

 

[RexNovis]

Any photos of this warped plastic, Rex? I believe you, just wanna see it.

Not at home at the moment unfortunately. I'll post one when I get home if i remember. Nothing major just a minor indentation. Kind of hard to see but you can feel it relatively easily running your hand over it.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

I can actually hear my PS4 Pro fans ramp up whenever I use the Blacksmith in this game. Pls fix, Team Ninja.

Also, I ain't using movie mode. Fuck that.

Hahaha, yeah, me too.

I'm always thinking "what the hell is going on with this blacksmith?"

 

[Grenchel]

I'm surprised this is still a thing. Are devs not aware or not told about menu's left uncapped will push a GPU to render too much?

I was literally going to just make the same post. Why is this still happening? Just not a priority?

 

[Ooccoo]

Rocket League flashbacks

 

[Community Forum]

How is this even possible? Don't these games get tested to hell and back before release?

 

[True Fire]

This is a problem in quite a number of games. It's a huge oversight IMO. Not sure what Sony can really do about it, but they can at least warn people.

 

[Atolm]

Yeah noticed this as well. Whisper quiet during Gameplay and haidryer in menus. Should be an easy fix.

It isn't the first game with this issue, I remember seeing it before.

 

[RexNovis]

well I definitely wouldn't leave that menu up for an hour like that. Not excusing it mind you

Eh true. Had I known menus were a problem point I wouldnt have done that hence my making this thread in hopes others avoiding doing something similar until a patch releases.

 

[ZeroX03]

Unlocked framerates in menus seems to be a pretty common annoyance, there's been a few games where the main menu is where my system (any system) gets loudest and hottest. Odd oversight.

 

[entremet]

How is this even possible? Don't these games get tested to hell and back before release?

Where have you been lol. This was the story of last generation. I mean some games were released unplayable and never fixed *cough* Skyrim PS3 *cough*

 

[KyleCross]

Also, I ain't using movie mode. Fuck that.

*shrugs* 4k30fps is pretty fucking awesome.

 

[-Horizon-]

How is this even possible? Don't these games get tested to hell and back before release?

 

[AmethystEnd]

Well. Good thing I'm in and out of menus as quickly as possible, I suppose.

No way in hell am I giving up Action mode.

 

[diablogod]

Whoa I'm scared now, if this is true this is bad stuff

 

[foolishoptimist]

Surely "unlocked" still has a cap at 60fps though right?

 

[TheSpoiler]

Anyone with normal PS4s have this issue?

 

[RexNovis]

Surely "unlocked" still has a cap at 60fps though right?

Certainly doesnt seem that way. My pro has higher fan noise and heat in menus than at any other time during gameplay despite having played some fairly demanding scenarios since I started listening for it.

 

[xanavi]

I've noticed this as well on my Pro. I've already been trying to limit my blacksmith usage, but I hope this gets enough attention to get a patch.

 

[sym30l1c]

Same here. Game is usually quiet, but when I'm at the blacksmith it sounds like the PS4 is taking off...

 

[Carm]

Anyone with normal PS4s have this issue?

Yes it happens on all PS4s. Playing in movie mode and my og PS4 goes nuts at the blacksmith, it's the uncapped framerate.

 

[leroidys]

Thanks for the heads up OP. Hope your PS4 is OK.

 

[RexNovis]

I've noticed this as well on my Pro. I've already been trying to limit my blacksmith usage, but I hope this gets enough attention to get a patch.

Yep one of the two main reasons I made a thread. Basically so that others wuld either switch to movie mode or at least wouldnt leave their games running on menus for extended periods of time like I did and also to draw attention to the issue in hopes that a patch is released to cap the framerate in menus.

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

Wait did I miss something? Since when do menus drive consoles into overdrive? If anything, I thought menus would cap the intensity of any game, since it's only displaying UI and text.

 

[Hopey]

warped plastic? jeez. Obviously I am a bit skeptical until I see it but yeah..

I would imagine theres a shutoff safety if the system cant handle the heat thats coming out

 

[InsaneTiger]

I can actually hear my PS4 Pro fans ramp up whenever I use the Blacksmith in this game. Pls fix, Team Ninja.

Also, I ain't using movie mode. Fuck that.

Yeah, the blacksmith is bad. Those uncapped framerates really get the system going. Unity Menu had the same problem, Rocket League too.

 

[RexNovis]

Yes it happens on all PS4s. Playing in movie mode and my og PS4 goes nuts at the blacksmith, it's the uncapped framerate.

THis is odd because after testing on my Pro movie mode seems to cap the framerate in menus just going by lack of fan ramp up and much lower amounts of heat. Maybe movie mode is just less demanding overall. Cant know for sure without proper framerate testing equipment which I , of course, dont have access to.

warped plastic? jeez. Obviously I am a bit skeptical until I see it but yeah..

I would imagine theres a shutoff safety if the system cant handle the heat thats coming out

Warped as in slightly indented. A bump of sorts. Nothing too serious. But you can certainly feel it if you run your hand over the surface. Mostly just an indication that things got way too hot.

 

[iRAWRasaurus]

Digital copy or disc copy btw?

 

[QisTopTier]

Well of course, have you ever been near a forge before? It gets super hot

 

[duckroll]

Wait did I miss something? Since when do menus drive consoles into overdrive? If anything, I thought menus would cap the intensity of any game, since it's only displaying UI and text.

Think of it as the difference between running a full circuit and tiring yourself out that way, versus spinning very, very, very quickly on the spot and then collapsing from dizziness.

 

[RexNovis]

Digital copy or disc copy btw?

I have a digital version but I dont see how that would make a difference.

Well of course, have you ever been near a forge before? It gets super hot

Hah! Just a bit too realistic for my tastes. I'd rather my Pro not double as a space heater for added ambiance.

 

[VanillaCakeIsBurning]

Well of course, have you ever been near a forge before? It gets super hot

It's true.

 

[AmethystEnd]

I have a digital version but I dont see how that would make a difference.

Hah! Just a bit too realistic for my tastes. I'd rather my Pro not double as a space heater for added ambiance.

Have you tweeted anyone who can actually set things in motion for a patch, Rex?

 

[Hopey]

THis is odd because after testing on my Pro movie mode seems to cap the framerate in menus just going by lack of fan ramp up and much lower amounts of heat. Maybe movie mode is just less demanding overall. Cant know for sure without proper framerate testing equipment which I , of course, dont have access to.



Warped as in slightly indented. A bump of sorts. Nothing too serious. But you can certainly feel it if you run your hand over the surface. Mostly just an indication that things got way too hot.

What i noticed when it does ramp up in the blacksmith area is that it doesnt stay at high fan speeds the whole time, it just speeds up then gradually lowers since its cooling off.

 

[Chakan]

Everything fine here. PS4 Pro.

 

[Muffin1611]

Wait did I miss something? Since when do menus drive consoles into overdrive? If anything, I thought menus would cap the intensity of any game, since it's only displaying UI and text.

Since it only has to display UI and text, it can do that at a very high framerate if uncapped. A way higher framerate than ingame, which causes the GPU to max out and overheat.

 

[Carm]

THis is odd because after testing on my Pro movie mode seems to cap the framerate in menus just going by lack of fan ramp up and much lower amounts of heat. Maybe movie mode is just less demanding overall. Cant know for sure without proper framerate testing equipment which I , of course, dont have access to.

It would be odd for them to cap it in the PS4 pro settings and only the movie mode. And yes movie mode will be less stressful overall, are you playing at 1080p?

 

[InsaneTiger]

Everything fine here. PS4 Pro.

You're right. Everything is working as it should.

 

[AmyS]

Well of course, have you ever been near a forge before? It gets super hot

Holy shit lol.

I'll wait for a patch before I try this game.

 

[Electret]

I'm surprised this is still a thing. Are devs not aware or not told about menu's left uncapped will push a GPU to render too much?

It's pretty perplexing, and one of the few things I will take a dev to task about. Come on, son.

 

[WarpathDC]

I'm i crazy or don't all ps4 skus have overheat protection ie it says the system is too hot and is shutting down? That said I'm pretty sure the solder melted off my lan port on my launch ps4 before I upgraded to the pro.

 

[Vilix]

How is this even possible? Don't these games get tested to hell and back before release?

Why test before it releases when you cqn send out a patch after?