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Milo Yiannopoulos is Going on Real Time with Bill Maher
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Last time a Milo supporter shot a student
Last time before Milo made a transgender student target of harassment
Alexandre Bissonnette was a Internet troll
He murdered 6 and injured 19 muslims 3 weeks ago
We are talking about terrorists. About murderers.
But sure, punching a Nazi is the issue.
dead souls
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Yep. Anyone who doesn't see this coming is an idiot. Bill never gets tired of slamming Muslims or whining about how liberal protestors somehow got Trump elected so I'm expecting a total shit show on Friday.
Yup.
Maher is not the liberal paragon you're looking for, folks. Just an entertainer.
And it remains every bit as indefensible now as it was then. Yes, let's find "common ground" with total fucking idiots like Tammy who don't even believe the shit they spew. Wonderful.
Though, yes, Milo is another level of vile.
Monocle
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This person thrives on attention and uses any exposure to profit, victimize people, and stir up a legion of toxic fans. It's flat out irresponsible for anyone to put a literal troll like him on their show. He needs to be blacklisted from everything because he has no interest or incentive to have a good faith conversation on any serious topic.
Any attempt to engage him in front of an audience plays into his hands. Attention is the whole point. You can't have a conversation with an opportunist who trades in performative social sabotage.
Any attempt to engage him in front of an audience plays into his hands. Attention is the whole point. You can't have a conversation with an opportunist who trades in performative social sabotage.
Agreed. The christian theocrats in this country offer a vastly bigger threat than islamists overseas. And I'd take any deal with the devil that swapped the proportion of America's muslim community with the evangelical one. It's not even close. One is represents the American experiment at it's best, and the other is made up of the kind of assholes who vote for a douchebag like Trump.
All of that being said, I don't agree that quoting Pew research polls about social views counts as islamophobia.
CrazyHorse
Junior Member
Two losers together?
Shadowhelper
Banned
Funny how the Bixxonette was a big fan of Dawkins and Sam Harris. Now the similar Maher is trying his best to rewrite history, that they have nothing to do with anti Arab and Muslim bigotry.
We need to reject Sam Harris' and Dawkins views on racism and genetics. Their words are actually frequently used as inllectual justification for racism by Milos.
When Sam Harris says we should profile Muslims and stereotype them as dangerous, well that opens the rationale for white supremacists like Milos to say, why can't we racially profile African Americans, and stereotype them as dangerous?
Harris, Maher and Dawkins hold many conventional racist ideas, but since it's for a villainized group we all ignore it. Well the intellectual underpinnings, of justifying stereotyping people and being racist, is largely what has fed and empowered racists like Milos.
Milos is very similar to Harris, only he hates all non whites it seems, whereas Harris only seems to have a biggotry in his heart for Arabs, but the rationale and justification is very much the same, which is why Harris and Dawkins is so popular among the alt right and the right wing.
The Jazz Cabbage Master
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Excuse me? Harris and Dawkins are racist?
Monocle
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Are we really doing that thing where we draw a false equivalence between a sociopathic troll and scientists who are capable of rational debate, and actually bother to back up their positions and engage in serious dialogue?
"Bigotry in his heart," wow.
CrimsonSquall
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I'm here, I'm ready. I don't watch anything of Milo his presence is growing. It was only a matter of time before a talk show host booked him and what better person to have him go up against then Bill Maher. I stand with Bill
as long as he's not a complacent lil bish and sides with him
kame-sennin
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This is a really important post.
Trokil started in this thread by espousing liberal democratic views on the importance of debate and free speech. When they were confronted with the fact that Milo uses his speech to incite harassment, they dismissed it. Now, when presented with evidence of Milo, an already avowed racist, using Nazi iconography, Trokil presents us with absurd apologetics.
Be careful. Some of the people preaching tolerance and free speech are actually just fascist sympathizers whose only interest is to deflect and distract. That's why they ignore what happened to the trans student, or Bobbys posts explaining that no one is advocating that we ignore the problem. It's like arguing with Kellyanne Conway.
Edit:
I do have to mention that Maher did say, directly to Harris that Islamaphobia is certainly real, but Harris shut him down immediately to say that the word detracts from vetting extremism, which is absurd.
And for other posters, Dawkins is well noted for making similar statements as Harris and being tone-deaf to systemic racism. I think he had to take a break from twitter because he got into an argument about it with users a few year(s) ago.
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But, to stay on topic. Did anyone ever give an answer as to why a trans student should face harassment at her own school? I sincerely want a reason as to why that's justified.
Yeah, I want to see why people feel that she deserved to get singled out, individually targeted, and harassed. That is what they are justifying, exactly to your point.
They should have to defend their position.
Messofanego
Banned
I do. I'm surprised you missed it being linked in this thread a few times. Again, no-to-little people are calling him a Nazi, but certainly suspect.
Oh right, that one too.
The only posters to even acknowledge the question brushed it off as not a big deal
I usually like Bill Maher, even his critiques on Islamist ideologies (which a lot of gnu atheists like him do), unlike a lot of you guys here.
But I am going to not watch this for the third time.
Tomi Lahren? Piers Morgan? and this vile man?
It is good for ratings but not good for my health, seeing these people lying their asses on the screen.
But I am going to not watch this for the third time.
Tomi Lahren? Piers Morgan? and this vile man?
It is good for ratings but not good for my health, seeing these people lying their asses on the screen.
That was funny. I also have something funny.
This is the iron cross from 1813, 120 years before the Nazis used it.
This is the one from WWI
This is the one the Nazis used
and this is the one the German Luftwaffe uses right now
Now this is the one Milo wore
So you don't see it very well, but do you see the white part on the top, the one of the Nazis did not have that. That is the white crown, so that is either the one of WW1 or 1813 or 1824 or something during this time period; so he picked the wrong one to make a Nazi statement. So this either makes him a huge troll and everybody falls for it or just a huge dumb ass.
So they use one student as an argument how Milo is way more evil, while there is Rolling Stone article how people like Michele Bachmann created a climate which lead to the suicide of several teenagers and a climate of large scale bullying.
Shadowhelper
Banned
Yeah, Harris did say that. Which I mean, is just so offensive, when you read and see what is happening right now. It's really just cruel and dangerous.
Yeah, Maher made such a small mea culpa, but he has repeated many ugly stereotypes about Arabs throughout the years, and is a big booster of Harris and Dawkins, and also believes in racial profiling. They were just usually small comments met with silence from the audience and not ever written about or any think pieces. But those comments normalize racism against a minority, which is what Maher has done. The intellectual justification of racial profiling these guys trumpet has been appropriated by the alt right to normalize racism against more than just Arabs and Muslims.
Dawkins did take a break, but I think he is more than just tone deaf. He really seems to delight in mocking and attacking Muslims, and so much dog whistling racism. Whereas Harris just seems dangerous and angry, imo. You can just see how the rising tide of white supremacy and populism in America and Europe loves both Dawkins and Harris, and uses and quotes them frequently.
Like I said, Alexader Bissonette was a big fan of both Dawkins and Harris.
Surprisingly, both people can be considered abhorrent.
That was funny. I also have something funny.
This is the iron cross from 1813, 120 years before the Nazis used it.
This is the one from WWI
This is the one the Nazis used
and this is the one the German Luftwaffe uses right now
Now this is the one Milo wore
So you don't see it very well, but do you see the white part on the top, the one of the Nazis did not have that. That is the white crown, so that is either the one of WW1 or 1813 so he picked the wrong one to make a Nazi statement. So this either makes him a huge troll and everybody falls for it or just a huge dumb ass.
So they use one student as an argument how Milo is way more evil, while there is Rolling Stone article how people like Michele Bachmann created a climate which lead to the suicide of several teenagers and a climate of large scale bullying.
So Nazi confirmed.
I have no actual evidence myself other than your ridiculously poor ability to parse information and tendency to conduct yourself dishonestly in order to further your bizarre agendas.
kame-sennin
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FOH with this militant shaming crap.
I actually am sympathetic to the idea that Milo isn't really a Nazi. But also like... why would anyone stand tall on the semantics of what kind of villain Milo ~truly~ is. If your whole MO is to say ugly shit that Nazis like -- and you intentionally tune yourself to pander to a Nazi audience -- then instead of "a Nazi" you're "a Nazi-emboldener" or something.
I think that's a valid distinction but it's also pretty pedantic. For nine out of ten cases, just rounding up to "he's a Nazi himself" produces the same result. I answer "hard pass" both to the question "do you want to hear what this Nazi says?" and to the question "do you want to hear what this dirtbag knows that Nazis want to hear him say?".
If we want to talk about this in Internet Memes, it reminds me of that Simpsons gag Fox News: Not Racists, But Number 1 With Racists. The first part is ~technically~ true (worst kind of true), but the second part is sufficient enough for decision-making that the first part just doesn't matter.
I think that's a valid distinction but it's also pretty pedantic. For nine out of ten cases, just rounding up to "he's a Nazi himself" produces the same result. I answer "hard pass" both to the question "do you want to hear what this Nazi says?" and to the question "do you want to hear what this dirtbag knows that Nazis want to hear him say?".
If we want to talk about this in Internet Memes, it reminds me of that Simpsons gag Fox News: Not Racists, But Number 1 With Racists. The first part is ~technically~ true (worst kind of true), but the second part is sufficient enough for decision-making that the first part just doesn't matter.
Taliban Stan
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Probably ratings and the money they bring.
kame-sennin
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Hey everybody, apparently Golden Dawn aren't nazis because this isn't techinaclly a swaztika.
Trolling works best when you have racist apologists spewing intellectually dishonest arguments to muddy the water and give you cover.
Trolling works best when you have racist apologists spewing intellectually dishonest arguments to muddy the water and give you cover.
A Link to the Past
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Even if we operated on the assumption that Jewish people have on average disproportionate wealth or control (basically going into conspiracy theory territory), why is it that people like Milo think that is okay, but that it is anti-white racism to point out that white people have a disproportionate amount of wealth and power?
(because white people think that they deserve it and that Jewish people don't)
(because white people think that they deserve it and that Jewish people don't)
Oh, and that's literally Milo's entire MO.
Maher is a fucking idiot and a jackass.
So Angela Merkel is a Nazi because she has the iron cross of the Luftwaffe on her plane?
kame-sennin
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The intellectual dishonesty doesn't stop.
Prithee Be Careful
Industry Professional
Because blanket terminologies don't help us to understand a problem or its causes. The rise of the right is symptomatic of a deeper societal illness. Characters like Milo are the the most visible symptoms - giant lesions on the surface.
The same applies here as it does to medicine: addressing symptoms will not cure the root cause. Every Milo-like boil you treat will be replaced with another if you don't treat the infection.
Right now people are in panic mode, hoping that if they quarantine people and keep the problem from spreading it'll go away, but it won't because it can't be cured until we know what's causing it.
Finding that cure starts with looking at the sick, listening to thier complaints and looking for commonalities. This is what we should all be doing right now and through study we'll discover the causes.
Once we know the cause we can fight effectively and in time we can immunize ourselves, but immunisation, like medicine means exposure - it means not shying away from causes. It means being practical rather than fearful; scientific rather than judgemental. It means getting your hands dirty, touching icky things and learning as much as you can.
Liberals have the best natural immunity in this pandemic and we have to be the ones.
Messofanego
Banned
Enlighten all of us on the context for why Milo has an iron cross (beloved by neo-Nazis) and why he used to call himself Milo Andreas Wagner (Richard Wagner beloved by Nazis and himself a big antisemite), likes to use Holocause memes, is misogynist + racist + homophobic + transphobic, and likes to carry books about Hitler.
From his book of poetry, he doesn't seem like a fan of Jews
Not calling him a Nazi, though
He used to call himself Milo Wagner.
I'm pretty sure the iron cross is still in use today by the germans.... not a nazi symbol.
So the argument is, he is a troll and you should not feed trolls, so no platform for him. But also you should not ignore him, but he is a Nazi, but you can't argue with them but you can't ignore them and you can not give them a platform to expose them, because that would make everybody fall for them. So you should demonstrate him, when he shows up, but not too much, because that would also give him attention and that would help him again. Also not violence, which would also help him.
So the solution is?
So the solution is?
Harris seems dangerous and angry? Point me to one example of Harris acting anything like the people foaming at the mouth to call him an islamaphobe. The left are becoming as intolerant as the far right. Dialogue and nuance doesn't matter. Fucking gross.
"nothing could serve the liberal cause better than having him exposed on Friday night. -Maher
Except you will be exposed as the bigot you are when you are agreeing with his views on Muslims Friday night.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
What does milo even have to say
kame-sennin
Member
Enlighten all of us on the context for why Milo has an iron cross (beloved by neo-Nazis) and why he used to call himself Milo Andreas Wagner (Richard Wagner beloved by Nazis and himself a big antisemite), likes to use Holocause memes, is misogynist + racist + homophobic + transphobic, and likes to carry books about Hitler.
Not calling him a Nazi, though
Trokil:
First of all lots of people like history so reading books about Hitler doesn't make someone a nazi also that post is clearly a joke because Hitler never had an Xbox so unless you think halo is racist you need to learn a few things
Gentleman Jack
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It generally boils down to "Hello internet followers, here's a name and a face of someone I don't like, do your worst. Isn't the illiberal, regressive left just so awful for not letting me talk?"
That is milo's entire media career as of 2014 at the very least.
You've highlighted reasons why I'm not a big fan of Maher and the like. Even though they can offer so-called progressive opinions, it's slow to come around and you note small and overt mentions of racial prejudice or an unwillingness to educate themselves unless it's something literally in their face. The lack of introspection is quite telling.
With, Milo, I feel as though he's just going to charm Maher and people are going to be caught in Milo's scent. A lot of people in this thread are refusing to educate themselves on what he has done and state that debate is an answer...so it's already evident that people are willfully ignoring how harmful he is. Most people would not handle a Leslie Jones level attack as much as they'd like to pretend harassment and words might not bother them.
If Maher just talks about the university case and not Milo's harassment and the victim of a shooting from one of Milo's fans, he's acting, to some extent as an enabler.
BrutishMrFish
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Show clips of him saying stupid shit and pick apart his statements without giving him the chance to worm his way out of it. It meets all of your criteria.
Edit: I mean do all of that without having him on the show.
They always worm out of it through deflection, mental gymnastics, etc.
BrutishMrFish
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Sure, but they can't do that on air if they're not there. If someone like Milo has to be talked about, he shouldn't be a part of the conversation as it happens.
A Link to the Past
Banned
I'm really frustrated by people treating every piece of evidence against Milo in a vacuum.
Yes, the cross is not just a Nazi symbol, and that's a great counterpoint if the person wearing it doesn't pose with books on Hitler, makes Holocaust jokes, and writes anti-Semitic poetry.
Yes, the cross is not just a Nazi symbol, and that's a great counterpoint if the person wearing it doesn't pose with books on Hitler, makes Holocaust jokes, and writes anti-Semitic poetry.
MadJackChurchill
Banned
This appearance will definitely make Milo see the light and turn him completely around. He'll stop editing a neo nazi news site and dedicate his life to teaching inner city school kids.
/s what does this achieve apart from both sides shouting at brick walls.
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