LinkSlayer64
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How this works is when specific updates go out, a new version of the recovery partition goes out with them. It doesn't happen with all updates.
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Nintendo Switch UI video from some guy [named hiphoptherobot]
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How this works is when specific updates go out, a new version of the recovery partition goes out with them. It doesn't happen with all updates.
forknknife
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I factory reset my android phones once a year. It's great.
serenewarfare
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Wondering this myself if you can figure it out hiphop.
Hiphop, sorry if I'm bothering you again with my request, but I didn't see any answer, so I suppose it got unnoticed.
Basically, since in the News section there's an eShop related "news", I'd like to see what does the actual news say after you click on that banner. It could give us our first glimpses at the eShop on Switch. Again, if it's possible to do so.
Basically, since in the News section there's an eShop related "news", I'd like to see what does the actual news say after you click on that banner. It could give us our first glimpses at the eShop on Switch. Again, if it's possible to do so.
I just reset my two android devices by two different manufacturers that launched with android lollipop and then were upgraded to marshmallow and nougat. Neither of them reverted to lollipop. Not sure what I am missing here.
Further to this would love to know what bluetooth version and does it (unlikely) support APT-X?
I do as well but my devices have never reverted to a old firmware and then made me redownload updates. What manufacturer does this?
WiiRevolution1
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Ah, I see. Thanks then. I actually remember that artwork but this didn't look like it. Kinda weird its just sitting there with its own style by itself lol.
RoadHazard
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No...? That's pretty much never how it works. On every phone and similar device a "factory reset" just means wiping all user data, the firmware/OS version is never rolled back.
Nope, that's not how it works. They just reset the OS version you have installed to its "clean" state, you don't suddenly end up with the version the phone was shipped with.
I've been an Android user for many years and have done many factory resets, and that has NEVER been how it works. Factory reset does not roll the firmware back to an older version, it just wipes all user data from the current one.
What year is it reference here.
Android hasn't done that since like KitKat. Factory reset now just wipes the user data not the OS. The old days of having a backup partition with the initial build is long gone.
As for people saying this doesn't look Android based? Seriously? The system menu when in black mode is pretty much a modified version of Android system settings for tablets.
If Nintendo had any sense they would have got Nvidia to handle the back end of the OS so that porting would be the same as they had been developing for their Shield systems. That means Android. This isn't a bad thing, after all the PS4 is *nix based also being on a custom version of BSD.
The OS looks good and if Nintendo get Nvidia support it'll be a far better situation than we had with the WiiU.
forknknife
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Spiral Insanity
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Stop it, this isn't Android. Thank god.
TyMiles2012
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Not on consoles. That keeps people from hacking systems that require lower firmwares. That's why some hacks require downgrades, which have to be done by hacking methods themselves. Phones are different. Let's say if the latest Switch version is 2.2.3, and someone hacked 1.0.0 and you could roll back just from a simple reset to use the hack, Nintendo would be panicking.
RoadHazard
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It might be.
Either way, that's not the point. People were spreading misinformation, and we were correcting them.
Phones are not different, they work that way too.
Spiral Insanity
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It isn't.
I kinda messed up the interpretation of factory reset with re-flashing the original ROM so my bad lol.
for me it looks like nintendo looked at ios/android/win mobile and took what they liked.
It could be a custom Android image, nothing strange here and I don't understand your fears, GAF.
It's a matter of costs and available dev libraries, simply that.
Why develop a brand new OS? It costs (a lot) and it's hard to maintain.
Sony uses a custom BSD version as PS4 operating system, so it's a Unix machine. Thanks of the the BSD stability, sure, and the "very" free license. A well documented system.
Microsoft used a custom Win8 kernel powered by Hyper-V virtual machines for Xbox One, before Windows 10 arrival. A well documented system.
It's a matter of costs and available dev libraries, simply that.
Why develop a brand new OS? It costs (a lot) and it's hard to maintain.
Sony uses a custom BSD version as PS4 operating system, so it's a Unix machine. Thanks of the the BSD stability, sure, and the "very" free license. A well documented system.
Microsoft used a custom Win8 kernel powered by Hyper-V virtual machines for Xbox One, before Windows 10 arrival. A well documented system.
Back on topic, has anybody made comparisons with the leaked info from a developer to the ones we currently know based on the retail unit UI footage? I seem to remember the lack of auto-brightness feature back on the dev kit and right now it is now available on the Switch as a feature. That's only one I can remember right now and maybe there's more we can confirm/de-confirm.
It might not be, but why would that even be a positive?
Tegra is built for Android. Nvidia has tools that are specifically to build games for their Android based platform. Who does it benefit to throw all of that away to base the Switch on an OS kernel that Tegra is not built for?
If there isn't the Android core at the heart of the Switch OS that would in my view be a retrograde step. Why partner with Nvidia as a chip designer with experience with making chips for a very stable software environment if you don't use it.
Again, why is being *nix based a bad thing? The PS4 OS is an example of how using these systems take the hard work out of creating a custom kernel for chips that work better with code already optimised for them already.
Android is incredibly resource intensive, the UI is still pretty slow, and not secure enough to build the platform off of. I doubt it is Android, it probably would take more work to get Android suitable for the Switch than start from scratch ontop of BSD or Linux.
smartphone app?
What does this mean?
Perfect analysis and I said the same just few post ago.
Why some Gaffers hate this idea?
I mean, it could a be a Nintendo Custom Android, not a raw and un-optimized image thrown in a shitty Chinese tablet.
Spiral Insanity
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Oh my god it isn't Android. Nintendo is deathly afraid of hacks. Android is meant to focus on multi tasking..
Hmmmm...looks a biiit androidy... I'm going to wait for someone to tear it down and do a dump. If it is Android, I'm not getting it. I don't want to get near anything that can Scroogle. From Apple To Microsoft to Alfabet.
RoadHazard
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It might be.
Android is already on a "Switch" hardware.
In fact it is already on Nvidia Shield, the "older" brother of Switch.
And it runs very well, thanks to Tegra and constant Nvidia upgrades.
Maybe a lot of Gaffers here didn't have a chance to try Shield, I understand this and I suggest you to try it, one day.
Yeah I think Android would be terrible for this unless they have ditched the JVM side of things and its basically just a Linux kernel. Having a garbage collected interpreted language for a game console would be a terrible idea.
The only way it looks the same to me is that the dark colour scheme looks vaguely like ICS?
The SOC in the Switch will perform better on a console OS with tools / APIs / drivers made specificly for it than it would with stock Android. By all accounts the Switch dev enviroment is top notch.
How is a custom Linux kernel any more vulnerable to hacks than Nintendo own efforts?
Considering every console Nintendo has made has been compromised thanks to Nintendo leaving the door open. I'd be trusting a *nix kernel over them every day of the week.
Again if Nvidia have been intensively involved with creating tools to make porting work, why would they not use their existing work. The Android core is solid, I think people need to get the myth that Android is an insecure platform out of their head. It isn't 2010 any more.
For crying out loud using the Android kernel is NOT using a stock Android system. Christ.
So any new info if Bluetooth headphones are supported?
It seems gaf is now on a it's android or not talk instead of trying to know more about the switch function. -__-
didn't nintendo themselves say in 2015 that they're not using android? http://www.gamespot.com/articles/nintendo-nx-will-not-run-on-android/1100-6427749/
or was that debunked?
And this is exactly why I must post less technical analysis/comments here on GAF and try to discuss them.
"Basically a Linux kernel" means we should close this thread, I think.
Because it is on the road to become a "Scorpio specs leaked"-like thread, full of nonsensical comments, lies and misinformation.
andrerobot
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LOL, people seem to forget that Vita runs Android, and it works fine...
Not that I think that Switch runs it as well. You cannot tell that by just looking at the shell.
Not that I think that Switch runs it as well. You cannot tell that by just looking at the shell.
Skeletos311
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I thought I heard the analog stick click like an arcade stick. Is that the case?
Sorry I dont know what Im talking about obviously. I thought all Nintendo systems were using a Linux kernel.
Peterthumpa
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Wow, ok. 'Android image' isn't what I'd call technical analysis. Android is based on the Linux kernel with a JVM on top.
Nintendo has denied numerous Nikkei rumors that ended up being true.
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