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Five Years and Industry Writer Phil Hornshaw Still Doesn't Know Who Makes Star Wars Movies

eh, this whole Disney/Lucasfilm has always seemed silly to me. Disney owns Lucasfilm. They also own Marvel. I don't think it's a coincidence that both studios are now consistently pumping out high quality $200m blockbusters.

Lucasfilm might be running the show—but only because the Mouse likes the way it's being run. Disney is still pulling the strings at the end of the day.

 

[brandonh83]

Damn, photos/autographs with Felicity Jones at Celebration are like $200

Spoiler

I'll probably do it

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Lucasfilm might be running the show—but only because the Mouse likes the way it's being run. Disney is still pulling the strings at the end of the day.

Disney's not pulling strings at the end of the day, though.

That's the point.

I'll say this though: You're one of the very few who extends this theory to Marvel as well. Normally it's never that consistent. Normally it goes

Pixar = Pixar
Marvel = Marvel
Lucasfilm = Disney

Like, you really think Horn & Iger are basically leashing Feige/Lasseter/Kennedy? Simultaneously? On most of the decisionmaking? That seems real unrealistic, to me. Especially considering Horn's got his own division he's gotta sweat, on top of that.

Not saying Iger/Horn don't get to pitch in, because obviously they do. But it tends to be when they're asked by the people at the studios, not because they don't trust these people to run their companies correctly.

People mostly confuse Disney and Lucasfilm, and usually in order to serve the narrative that everything's being micromanaged for the sake of pure product and nothing but. It's harder to push the idea all the things you don't like are corporate pandering without being able to lean on the idea that there's some big malignant mouse behind the scenes Svengali-like "pulling strings" on everything.

It's also easier not to confront the fact Lucasfilm's leadership is largely women and largely multicultural when you just assign everything to "Disney," whom most people aren't even familiar with aside from Iger/Horn (if even Horn) but that's only really a thing when dealing specifically with discussions on diversity and inclusivity within the storytelling.

 

[molnizzle]

Like, you really think Horn & Iger are basically leashing Feige/Lasseter/Kennedy? Simultaneously? On most of the decisionmaking? That seems real unrealistic, to me. Especially considering Horn's got his own division he's gotta sweat, on top of that.

Most of the decision making? No, but they've definitely perfected a pipeline that extends through all of their studios. If they were 100% hands off there would be more turds. It just can't be a coincidence that Disney's live action blockbusters, Marvel Studios films, and now Lucasfilm always seem to deliver at least a competent picture. If they were affording their subsidiary studios full artistic freedom we'd see a much larger variance in quality. WB style.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Most of the decision making? No, but they've definitely perfected a pipeline that extends through all of their studios. If they were 100% hands off there would be more turds.

Again, nobody's saying they're 100% hands off. But what "movie pipeline" do you think there is there? The one Marvel came up with? The one Pixar uses? Because Lucasfilm's process doesn't seem to be either of those, and Disney's own pictures don't seem to really use a "pipeline" that adheres to the methodology used by any of the other three, either.

It reads more like you saw that they had a corporate owner in common and just assumed the corporate owner made everyone get into line, when the truth is more like the corporate owners saw something that was working already and let it keep doing so. That doesn't mean they don't step in when asked, or don't contribute when they feel they can. But that's nowhere near the same thing as basically suggesting Kevin Feige, Kathleen Kennedy, and John Lasseter are all puppets waiting to get orders from "Disney" before they go off and head their highly successful film studios.

Further, I don't buy that what's happening at Warner Brothers is a direct result of "full artistic freedom," either.

You're setting up a dichotomy where good = tightly corporate-controlled & mess = crazy artists running rampant.

But Pixar is a blend of corporate control and a lot of crazy artists going wild and taking risks. Marvel is Marvel because the corporates in control took a huge risk, and are slowly letting their creatives push what had been a rigidly adhered-to formula outwards.

And Lucasfilm under Kennedy seems to be a blend of artists AND executives trying to get tone right above all.

Yes, Disney owns all these companies, but it's always weird to see leeway given to Feige & Lasseter, autonomy attributed to Marvel & Pixar, but whenever Star Wars makes any sort of news, the agency of everyone at Lucasfilm is wiped completely out of existence for the sake of adhering to this Svengali Mickey narrative that doesn't even seem rooted in anything realistic.

 

[molnizzle]

You're setting up a dichotomy where good = tightly corporate-controlled & mess = crazy artists running rampant.

Not "good," more like "safe."

I look at it the same way I look at Call of Duty. Come hell or high water, a new CoD launches every fall, and it's always... fine. It always works, always has a serviceable campaign, always has a shitload of maps, always has at least 1 additional novelty mode, etc. It doesn't get delayed and it always gets the job done—despite the fact that like 900 people and 7 different studios have worked on it. There's some project motherfucking management going on at Activision.

I've looked at Marvel the same way for the past few years now. Same with Disney's live action adaptations. They're always fine like CoD is always fine. Can't be a coincidence. I can't say for certain how much Disney is involved just like I can't say for certain how much Activision is involved. But they're definitely involved. Clearly the Disney execs know when to get out of the way, but they also know how to consistently deliver. I just don't buy the narrative that Disney execs are a bunch of lucky fools with a bunch of money. There's at least some people there managing shit.

Yes, Disney owns all these companies, but it's always weird to see leeway given to Feige & Lasseter, autonomy attributed to Marvel & Pixar, but whenever Star Wars makes any sort of news, the agency of everyone at Lucasfilm is wiped completely out of existence for the sake of adhering to this Svengali Mickey narrative that doesn't even seem rooted in anything realistic.

I can't speak for everyone but I started noticing this trend when Marvel took Guardians of the Galaxy and fucking Ant-Man and turned them into competent blockbusters. Not to mention the seemingly impossible live action adaptations of back catalog stuff like Cinderella.

Now they buy Lucasfilm and all of the sudden dope new Star Wars movies are releasing every year, and it's supposedly just a coincidence? Nah. They know what they're doing.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Now they buy Lucasfilm and all of the sudden dope new Star Wars movies are releasing every year, and it's supposedly just a coincidence? Nah. They know what they're doing.

No, it's not a coincidence. But it's not mostly "Disney," either.

The Force Awakens had Iger interested & involved, but a large part of why that movie looks and sounds the way it does is due to the creative team that Kennedy put together, and the reason that team had the time it did to get the movie made was because Kennedy & Abrams apparently had to fight (and win) that December start date. Lucasfilm was allowed to handle the large majority of that film's problems internally, without having to go outside to Iger and/or Horn for help.

And with Rogue One, which was apparently even more troubled as a production, the involvement of Disney executives was even less.

The Lucasfilm of 2012/2013 was not the same Lucasfilm as the one in 2005, which was the last time a movie got released (that business w/ the Clone Wars movie doesn't... doesn't count). Kennedy isn't Lucas. And the executives in charge now have their own methodologies.

Also: Video Game development & publishing and film production aren't really the same thing at all.

Basically, you're still more or less just pushing the idea that if there's a success, it has to belong to the parent company, ultimately, which shorts credit for the people who actually got the movie made, as opposed to the people who primarily paid the people who did that work.

Nobody's pushing the narrative that Disney are just lucky fools with money, either. It's not an either or. You have to be pretty smart to recognize talent, and you have to also be smart not to hinder or squash it. If you have good people doing good work, why would you want to rush in and step all over it? If you're insecure about your credits, then yeah, I can see that being a reason. It's not a good reason, but it's enough of a reason that it's a fairly well-told tale in Hollywood history.

But it seems like Iger/Horn aren't that insecure. And Feige isn't either. Neither is Lasseter, and Kathleen Kennedy sure isn't.

So you have a bunch of confident, talented, smart executives all working with talented, smart, confident creatives, all being bankrolled by confident, talented owners.

Why is the automatic assumption that the success that comes from that makeup is a success that can best be described via the Svengali Mickey narrative?

 

[molnizzle]

Why is the automatic assumption that the success that comes from that makeup is a success that can best be described via the Svengali Mickey narrative?

Because if that "makeup" was so easy to emulate, every studio would do it. I'm sure there are/were plenty of people in the running for Lasseter, Feige and Kennedy's jobs. They got those jobs (and continue to have them) because of good management. At the end of the day the three of them still have bosses to answer to. If they have the freedom to run their studios a certain way it's because someone higher than them allows it. It's still Disney executives signing the checks.

I dunno. I place a lot of value on good management. Disney clearly has that figured out.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Because if that "makeup" was so easy to emulate, every studio would do it.

You keep coming back to this: Who said it's easy? Nobody's saying that sort of alchemy is easy. You're the only one saying that.

You place a lot of value on "good management" while largely discounting the people in charge of the studios actually making the movies, and are pointing at Activision, of all the companies, as a comparison point.

C'mon man.

Movie studios aren't game companies, movies aren't games, and "good management" isn't the exclusive domain of the CEO, and a good CEO is probably one who would recognize that.

"They're only good because the bossman lets them be good" is a weird pov to adhere to despite all the other factors that are just as (if not moreso) important. Also, Lasseter already had his job at Pixar when Disney acquired them. Same with Feige and Marvel, and Kennedy at Lucasfilm. There was no "running" to be in.

And by this point, you're more or less arguing that the company you're crediting with making Star Wars isn't really doing much more than signing the checks and "letting" all the other employees do all the work. At which point, it doesn't make much sense to say that Disney "made" the movie. Because they didn't. Lucasfilm did. Disney may have let Lucasfilm make it (which is still a weird way to look at it), but that doesn't change which film studio actually created, produced, and finished the film.

 

[Spine_Ripper]

Damn, photos/autographs with Felicity Jones at Celebration are like $200

Spoiler

I'll probably do it

That is completely ridiculous

I would gladly pay 3X for a Jyn signature!

 

[Surfinn]

Yeah I don't think there's much evidence to support the idea that Lucasfilm is successful because "Disney". They deserve (LF) credit for the success that was TFA. So tired of this cynical "but everything comes from a suit and it sucks" shit RLM helps perpetuate (directed at the SW threads in general).

Not everything sucks. There's not always puppet masters behind the show.

 

[molnizzle]

Movie studios aren't game companies, movies aren't games, and "good management" isn't the exclusive domain of the CEO, and a good CEO is probably one who would recognize that.

"They're only good because the bossman lets them be good" is a weird pov to adhere to despite all the other factors that are just as (if not moreso) important. Also, Lasseter already had his job at Pixar when Disney acquired them. Same with Feige and Marvel, and Kennedy at Lucasfilm. There was no "running" to be in.

A giant production like Star Wars or an MCU film does have a lot in common with a big budget game release. There are tons of moving parts that need to be managed and someone at Disney is managing them. Whether that means directly controlling shit themselves or delegating control to someone else, it's still their call.

It's really not a weird PoV. At the end of the day the parent company is the one responsible. To revisit the gaming analogy, I like that Sony lets Naughty Dog do whatever they want. I don't think they're a great publisher though, because they give all of their studios a ton of freedom and come up with a lot of duds as a result. More direct management would be better there, but I get the impression that there's no Sony executives capable of doing it. So they just invest in talent and hope for the best.

Disney doesn't do that. Their output speaks for itself. They intervene exactly as much as they need to. Maybe that's a ton at some studios and not as much at others (like Lucasfilm). I think they give their subordinates as big a leash as they need—but it's still a leash.

As for Lassster, that's why I specified keeping the job, not just having it.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

A giant production like Star Wars or an MCU film does have a lot in common with a big budget game release..

Not really, no.

And again, at this point, you've more or less ceded the argument as to what entities at the studios are largely responsible for the movies turning out the way they do. Your argument basically boils back down to two points: Good people only do good work when better people let them, and making video games is like making movies.

Neither of those stances are very accurate at all, and saying "Disney" makes good Star Wars movies when Lucasfilm is the studio actually making the movies doesn't make sense unless you're adhering to a weird narrative that doesn't bear much relation to how these things are actually made.

Saying "Disney did such and such" when it comes to the storytelling in a Star Wars movie is very inaccurate. Disney didn't do that. Lucasfilm did.

 

[molnizzle]

Not really, no.

...yes. Marketing, promotional deals, press tours, and sure, the production of the film itself. That last part is a bit different from games but the colossal thing that is a new Star Wars release is very similar to the colossal thing of a new Call of Duty release.

Saying "Disney did such and such" when it comes to the storytelling in a Star Wars movie is very inaccurate. Disney didn't do that. Lucasfilm did.

I think we're just arguing semantics here. As far as I'm concerned, Disney is Lucasfilm. It's a subsidiary that they keep around for brand recognition and diversity, like Marvel. It's all Disney though. Kathleen Kennedy works for Disney. She heads up the Lucasfilm studio for Disney.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

...yes. Marketing, promotional deals, press tours, and sure, the production of the film itself. That last part is a bit different from games but the colossal thing that is a new Star Wars release is very similar to the colossal thing of a new Call of Duty release.

Only in the most superficial of ways, and even then, it's still pretty damn different, man.

I think we're just arguing semantics here. As far as I'm concerned, Disney is Lucasfilm.

You're wrong, though.

That's the whole point.

You're incorrect to put it that way.

 

[molnizzle]

You're wrong, though.

That's the whole point.

You're incorrect to put it that way.

...no, I'm not. Disney literally owns the studio. It continues to be called Lucasfilm because Disney wants for it to keep that name. They could change it if they wanted, or fire Kennedy, or shut the entire operation down. They own it. They are it.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

...no, I'm not. Disney literally owns the studio. It continues to be called Lucasfilm because Disney wants for it to keep that name. They could change it if they wanted, or fire Kennedy, or shut the entire operation down. They own it. They are it.

You're still incorrect to put it the way you put it. Like, you came in to argue this specific point. You're not arguing it well!

I'm not sure, over the course of this discussion, you've actually established you have a strong grip what it is anyone at any of these companies actually does other than "be the boss," which is as vague as saying "the colossal thing of a Call of Duty game is the same as the colossal thing of a Star Wars movie."

I do think it's cool that this discussion did break out though, because normally I don't get to argue this side of it that in-depth. Usually it's a couple of semi-articulate paragraphs of my mannered stanning in its Sunday best, and then some .jpeg burps for humorous punctuation. But "we're just arguing semantics" is often code for "my possibly being wrong here isn't really that important," and you're right, a late-night conversation in a Rogue One thread as to the corporate structure of Lucasfilm isn't that important, but that doesn't mean your conception of how this shit works holds water. Yes it's semantics, but when your "semantics" essentially erases the contributions of everyone not named Steve Disney or whatever, there's probably gonna be some pushback from an annoying hobbit such as myself.

Your weird scenario where Star Wars' storytelling is due to "Disney" because Disney coulda fired Kathleen Kennedy but didn't doesn't make any sense, man. It's silly. It's like arguing that you didn't cook the food you made in your apartment tonight because your landlord owns the building.

Rogue One is a Lucasfilm production. Lucasfilm is the movie studio that made the movie.

Disney owns Lucasfilm. Yes. But that doesn't mean Disney made the movie.

 

[Surfinn]

Disney=Lucasfilm implies that LF are just a bunch of yes men/women without creative control. We have no reason to believe this.

I just don't get how anybody can make that sort of an argument.

It basically boils down to "I've got a feeling it's like that" without any real evidence.

It's more than semantics because people have this ridiculous image of white old men in suits telling Kennedy and co what to do.

And once people believe that, they now get a free pass to say stuff like "those dirty corporate assholes are just playing it safe to make as much money as possible".

Which is incredibly unrealistic. Cough RLM.

 

[99Luffy]

Before TFA lucasfilm made Red Tails and some other movie no one knows the name to. No way they enjoy the same autonomy as marvel or pixar. Theyre basically just a brand that came with the stars wars license.

 

[Angelus Errare]

When does Rogue One come to Blu Rayz?!

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Finally saw this yesterday after weeks of postponing. It was GREAT. I don't know if I like this or TFA better; I'd have to rewatch the latter as it's been a long time.

Jyn was surprisingly kind and passionate. The trailers made her sound cynical. Saw's character was a bit pointless, he commits suicide for no reason. It sounded like his only purpose was to have a big link to Clone Wars and Rebels. I loved that Lovecraftian beast that probed Bodhi's mind though. I hope we see more of it in the EU or somewhere.

The setpieces were great. Lots of beautiful sceneries. The Death Star explosions weren't very loud IMO but definitely impressive. The battle at the end (on foot and in space) is definitely one of the best in the series. And if I recall correctly the Hammerhead was a scrapped idea for TFA?

I didn't really get the "tone" of the flashback with Galen and Krennic in some city (the one in the middle of the film, not the intro). Did they use to be friends or something? They didn't really look they hated each another in that scene.

It was kinda funny how there were so many different planets in the film and they labelled all of them except Mustafar.

Anyway I'm definitely rewatching the first Star Wars tonight.

 

[tolkir]

Darth Vader Voiced By Schwarzenegger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh3Wveg4DMk

Fun Fact: Spanish voice actor of OG Darth Vader was the same than Arnold Terminator.

Spanish Legend: Constantino Romero

 

[Lifejumper]

When does Rogue One come to Blu Rayz?!

April the 4th is the rumor.

 

[molnizzle]

You're still incorrect to put it the way you put it. Like, you came in to argue this specific point. You're not arguing it well!

I'm not sure, over the course of this discussion, you've actually established you have a strong grip what it is anyone at any of these companies actually does other than "be the boss," which is as vague as saying "the colossal thing of a Call of Duty game is the same as the colossal thing of a Star Wars movie."

I do think it's cool that this discussion did break out though, because normally I don't get to argue this side of it that in-depth. Usually it's a couple of semi-articulate paragraphs of my mannered stanning in its Sunday best, and then some .jpeg burps for humorous punctuation. But "we're just arguing semantics" is often code for "my possibly being wrong here isn't really that important," and you're right, a late-night conversation in a Rogue One thread as to the corporate structure of Lucasfilm isn't that important, but that doesn't mean your conception of how this shit works holds water. Yes it's semantics, but when your "semantics" essentially erases the contributions of everyone not named Steve Disney or whatever, there's probably gonna be some pushback from an annoying hobbit such as myself.

Your weird scenario where Star Wars' storytelling is due to "Disney" because Disney coulda fired Kathleen Kennedy but didn't doesn't make any sense, man. It's silly. It's like arguing that you didn't cook the food you made in your apartment tonight because your landlord owns the building.

Rogue One is a Lucasfilm production. Lucasfilm is the movie studio that made the movie.

Disney owns Lucasfilm. Yes. But that doesn't mean Disney made the movie.

Maybe it's my military background, but this literally doesn't compute in my head. Disney owns Lucasfilm. They are the Lucasfilm commander. Anything Lucasfilm does reflects on them, good or bad. Lucasfilm is doing well. Therefore Disney is doing well managing them. My brain can't understand this any other way.

I don't know why his has to be some social issue (re: old white men, Lucasfilm diversity). I don't know what the hell this "RLM" thing is you guys keep bringing up. I just know that Lucasfilm doesn't exist in a vacuum with full autonomy. They're owned by Disney. They're an extension of Disney.

 

[Surfinn]

Maybe it's my military background, but this literally doesn't compute in my head. Disney owns Lucasfilm. They are the Lucasfilm commander. Anything Lucasfilm does reflects on them, good or bad. Lucasfilm is doing well. Therefore Disney is doing well managing them. My brain can't understand this any other way.

I don't know why his has to be some social issue (re: old white men, Lucasfilm diversity). I don't know what the hell this "RLM" thing is you guys keep bringing up. I just know that Lucasfilm doesn't exist in a vacuum with full autonomy. They're owned by Disney. They're an extension of Disney.

Yeah, they own LF, but that doesn't mean they're meddling in their business. They reap the benefits but don't control the operations. Basically they're only connected financially, as far as I understand it. There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that they're secretly steering the ship and Kennedy is just nodding her head and obeying commands.

That's why the whole Disney=LucasFilm is incredibly off base and unrepresentative of the fact that LF created TFA.

The reason why I brought up RLM (Red Letter Media) is because they're popular online personalities that push the idea that SW is controlled by suits and CEOs and LF are simply pawns. Because of their popularity, people believe what they say and think the owners of Disney created TFA, which is simply not true. It might seem unimportant to clarify this fact but I think it's crucial for people to understand that JJ/Kasdan/Kennedy/LF were the ones who brought TFA to life. That way, when people try to criticize the films, we don't focus on distracting shit like OMG SUITS ARE RUINING MY SW and the conversation can be shifted to more thoughtful and accurate criticisms. And RLM twist reality and get people believing something that distracts just about every SW conversation on the internet.

 

[SpaceWolf]

Maybe it's my military background, but this literally doesn't compute in my head. Disney owns Lucasfilm. They are the Lucasfilm commander. Anything Lucasfilm does reflects on them, good or bad. Lucasfilm is doing well. Therefore Disney is doing well managing them. My brain can't understand this any other way.

I don't know why his has to be some social issue (re: old white men, Lucasfilm diversity). I don't know what the hell this "RLM" thing is you guys keep bringing up. I just know that Lucasfilm doesn't exist in a vacuum with full autonomy. They're owned by Disney. They're an extension of Disney.

Come on, son...

 

[LegendOfGood]

Bobby, thanks for the thorough breakdown of the Disney/Lucasfilm relationship. Really interesting to read your thoughts.

Also...

The Lucasfilm of 2012/2013 was not the same Lucasfilm as the one in 2005, which was the last time a movie got released (that business w/ the Clone Wars movie doesn't... doesn't count).

...I understood that reference.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

I didn't really get the "tone" of the flashback with Galen and Krennic in some city (the one in the middle of the film, not the intro). Did they use to be friends or something? They didn't really look they hated each another in that scene..

They met when they were young in the Republic Futures Program. Krennic realised he could manipulate Galen and use his research to develop the Death Star's weapon when he joined the Republic's Special Weapons Division, though he didn't really get started until the formation of the Empire. That scene is set then on Coruscant. Galen would have never worked on the weapon knowingly as he didn't want to get involved in the war/s.

 

[Bronx-Man]

April the 4th is the rumor.

I'd kill for a combo set of Rogue One + ANH.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I'd kill for a combo set of Rogue One + ANH.

I'm hoping for some sort of box-set announcement at Celebration.

It is the 40th anniversary, after all.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

They met when they were young in the Republic Futures Program. Krennic realised he could manipulate Galen and use his research to develop the Death Star's weapon when he joined the Republic's Special Weapons Division, though he didn't really get started until the formation of the Empire. That scene is set then on Coruscant. Galen would have never worked on the weapon knowingly as he didn't want to get involved in the war/s.

I finally read Catalyst.. and it did a good job explaining everything I thought.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

They met when they were young in the Republic Futures Program. Krennic realised he could manipulate Galen and use his research to develop the Death Star's weapon when he joined the Republic's Special Weapons Division, though he didn't really get started until the formation of the Empire. That scene is set then on Coruscant. Galen would have never worked on the weapon knowingly as he didn't want to get involved in the war/s.

So Mustafar and Coruscant were both in the film? Interesting.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

So Mustafar and Coruscant were both in the film? Interesting.

I'm not sure if it's been confirmed, but showing the Mustafar card on screen before revealing Vader probably would have ruined the surprise for some people.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I'm not sure if it's been confirmed, but showing the Mustafar card on screen before revealing Vader probably would have ruined the surprise for some people.

Yeah, it was confirmed on both counts: That was Mustafar, and they left the card off to maintain the Vader surprise.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

Yeah, it was confirmed on both counts: That was Mustafar, and they left the card off to maintain the Vader surprise.

Oh yeah I knew it was Mustafar. I love the Mustafar section in the art book. I just couldn't remember if I'd read that they'd left it out to avoid ruining the surprise or made it up.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Rewatching Star Wars right now. The Rebel that Vader strangles claims the Tantive IV is a consular ship on a diplomatic mission. Doesn't mesh too well with the fact Vader clearly saw them escape from the battle of Scarif minutes ago in Rogue One, haha.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

Rewatching Star Wars right now. The Rebel that Vader strangles claims the Tantive IV is a consular ship on a diplomatic mission. Doesn't mesh too well with the fact Vader clearly saw them escape from the battle of Scarif minutes ago in Rogue One, haha.

He always knew Leia and the others were feeding him bullshit so it doesn't really change much. Plus a ship on a diplomatic mission probably would have stopped for the Devastator instead of continuing to flee from it and risk being destroyed.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

We're a consular ship. On a diplomatic mission.

It's why we fired on you repeatedly without stopping and then posted up when you did board us and tried to kill as many of you as possible.

You know.

Diplomacy.

 

[Escape Goat]

We're a consular ship. On a diplomatic mission.

It's why we fired on you repeatedly without stopping and then posted up when you did board us and tried to kill as many of you as possible.

You know.

Diplomacy.

Aggressive negotiations.

 

[BrokenFiction]

We're a consular ship. On a diplomatic mission.

It's why we fired on you repeatedly without stopping and then posted up when you did board us and tried to kill as many of you as possible.

You know.

Diplomacy.

Aggressive Negotiations.

EDIT: DAMMIT EG.

 

[Surfinn]

Rewatching Star Wars right now. The Rebel that Vader strangles claims the Tantive IV is a consular ship on a diplomatic mission. Doesn't mesh too well with the fact Vader clearly saw them escape from the battle of Scarif minutes ago in Rogue One, haha.

I would imagine they're all instructed to say certain things if they're happened to be captured, as an agreed upon safeguard.

 

[Oblivion]

Been watching this recently and had a few questions:

- I don't understand why there was only that one little USB stick/key thing that had the death star plans at the end of the movie. I thought that once transmitted, the plans were available to ALL the rebel ships?
- How was Vader able to stand comfortably and not fly away and/or suffocate when he was standing outside the spaceship when Leia's ship left?
- What the hell was Leia doing in the middle of a warzone??

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Been watching this recently and had a few questions:

- I don't understand why there was only that one little USB stick/key thing that had the death star plans at the end of the movie. I though that once transmitted, the plans were available to ALL the rebel ships?
- How was Vader able to stand comfortably and not fly away and/or suffocate when he was standing outside the spaceship when Leia's ship left?
- What the hell was Leia doing in the middle of a warzone??

1) plans got transmitted directly to Home One. Nobody else was tuned in.
2) The docking bays of ships in Star Wars are weird like that.
3) that one's been discussed a bunch in the thread, but basically: Tantive IV was on Raddus' ship already. The entire idea of fighting at Scarif was pretty last minute.

 

[KeyBladerXIII]

Been watching this recently and had a few questions:

- I don't understand why there was only that one little USB stick/key thing that had the death star plans at the end of the movie. I though that once transmitted, the plans were available to ALL the rebel ships?
- How was Vader able to stand comfortably and not fly away and/or suffocate when he was standing outside the spaceship when Leia's ship left?
- What the hell was Leia doing in the middle of a warzone??

1. I don't remember 100%, but I think since the plans came in parts, those parts were stored onto a key to be put together back at the Rebel Base when they weren't in the middle of a battle.

2. Vader's suit is vacumn-sealed to protect his charred body, he's not going to suffocate when he has a respirator. Also the opening he was standing in was wide enough that he wasn't going to get sucked into space.

3. Leia was going to go with Raddus (the Mon Cal general) to Tatooine to pick up Obi-Wan. The Tantive IV was docked with Raddus' ship for repairs. When they were about to go, Rogue One called in for help, so Raddus rushed off, taking the Princess and her ship with him.

Edit: Or take the answers above, I type slow.

 

[Oblivion]

3) that one's been discussed a bunch in the thread, but basically: Tantive IV was on Raddus' ship already. The entire idea of fighting at Scarif was pretty last minute.

3. Leia was going to go with Raddus (the Mon Cal general) to Tatooine to pick up Obi-Wan. The Tantive IV was docked with Raddus' ship for repairs. When they were about to go, Rogue One called in for help, so Raddus rushed off, taking the Princess and her ship with him.

So Raddus decided to put a Princess' life in danger? Sounds rather irresponsible.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

So Raddus decided to put a Princess' life in danger? Sounds rather irresponsible.

She's a rebel, too.

It's not like Leia is some sort of helpless damsel or anything.

Also, Raddus didn't decide shit on Leia's behalf. The fleet all arrived at the same time. Whatever decision was made re: the Tantive being docked inside the ship was likely arrived at before everyone made the jump.

Pretty sure it's brought up in here somewhere at length. I know there was an episode of Star Wars Show that touched on it too? I think if you do a search in the thread for Leia Tantive or something like that it should all come up.

 

[Gintamen]

So Raddus decided to put a Princess' life in danger? Sounds rather irresponsible.

According to the Rebels series Leia has been actively participating in rebel acitivies for many years already.

 

[DonMigs85]

one cool thing about this movie is you can clearly see the deflector shields on X-Wings and capital ships actually doing work and taking hits.

 

[DonMigs85]

1) plans got transmitted directly to Home One. Nobody else was tuned in.
2) The docking bays of ships in Star Wars are weird like that.
3) that one's been discussed a bunch in the thread, but basically: Tantive IV was on Raddus' ship already. The entire idea of fighting at Scarif was pretty last minute.

Ahem, Profundity

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Ahem, Profundity

Oh shit, is that it's actual name?

I thought they called it Home One at one point.

Thanks Don!