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Digital Foundry: Final Fantasy 15: PS4 Pro Patch - 60fps At Last?
- Thread starter LelouchZero
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Inconsistent framerates are incredibly distracting for me.
There are many people who don't like highly fluctuating variable framerates. I personally prefer stable 30fps over very unstable 60fps.
It would be nice for them to give us that option as well as this new variable framerate mode.
I think there was something similar like this with Infamous SS where I believe they added locked 30fps mode later with the patch?
There's no arguing that some people don't like it! I definitely believe an optional, accurately frame-paced lock should be included as an option. But it's not a universally bad presentation for the game either. While you can clearly see the frame lengths, I don't (or haven't trained myself to), but I instantaneously feel the extra responsiveness in the controls. I'm just delighted to be given the option, but I acknowledge it's a shame that it took away a preferred option for others.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Some Bloodborn and RoTR before the frame pacing issues were somewhat patched out, didn't really bother me too much TBH.
I can understand some people notice it more than others, similar to tearing. While I can perceive tearing easily, it doesn't bother me much. I've read here on GAF how some people actually have physical issues like seizures in games with a lot of tearing.
Spiral Insanity
Banned
Is frame pacing a measure introduced to compensate for otherwise performance issues? Or is it just poor code?
Does Sony have hardware evangelists that help third party developers with tech issues? They should really be addressing this issue. Work with FROM Software, Square Enix, make those PS4 versions the best on the market.
Calling out to gaming news industry people to actually reach out to Sony/Square Enix and bring this up with them. Let's get some actual journalism done, people. Let them know.
As an aside, the eventual (hopefully) PC release should be spectacular at a maxed out, stable 60fps.
Fortunately there are tons of games that benefit greatly from Pro. (I never get these types of posts, don't buy hardware for a single game)
Does Sony have hardware evangelists that help third party developers with tech issues? They should really be addressing this issue. Work with FROM Software, Square Enix, make those PS4 versions the best on the market.
Calling out to gaming news industry people to actually reach out to Sony/Square Enix and bring this up with them. Let's get some actual journalism done, people. Let them know.
As an aside, the eventual (hopefully) PC release should be spectacular at a maxed out, stable 60fps.
Fortunately there are tons of games that benefit greatly from Pro. (I never get these types of posts, don't buy hardware for a single game)
My opinion is:
It plays better than before. This includes the old Lite mode.
Animations move faster and seem smoother. This definitely does not have an arcade-style 60fps feel but if doesn't seem to move as sluggish as before. Especially panning the camera around.
As a result of the unlock, this seems to have a tangible and positive effect on gameplay itself. Compared to the improper frame pacing of the high mode, it just looks better.
I'm playing GTA 5 concurrently, and that is a smooth locked 30fps game. Unlocked FFXV now plays similarly response time wise, if that makes any sense (probably doesn't just try for yourself and see)
It plays better than before. This includes the old Lite mode.
Animations move faster and seem smoother. This definitely does not have an arcade-style 60fps feel but if doesn't seem to move as sluggish as before. Especially panning the camera around.
As a result of the unlock, this seems to have a tangible and positive effect on gameplay itself. Compared to the improper frame pacing of the high mode, it just looks better.
I'm playing GTA 5 concurrently, and that is a smooth locked 30fps game. Unlocked FFXV now plays similarly response time wise, if that makes any sense (probably doesn't just try for yourself and see)
Vital Tundra
Member
Why anyone expected it to even come close to stable 60 is beyond me.
ethomaz
Banned
Frame pacing is engine issues... needs code to fix.
Some will argue the game itself is half baked... I prefer SE working on finishing the game before focus on Pro issues.
Honestly I feel it was just not designed to take advantage of it.
I would swear there is more that bought it and waited.....fools.
Don't know why the hell anyone expected anything less then them just unlocking the framerate lol . It was a given is was never going to hit 60fps
DarkLordMalik
Member
I really enjoyed it on Pro but I am also one who is affected more by Jaggies/Aliasing then Frame Pacing. The clean IQ was a game changer for me on the Pro. Looks way better than the regular PS4.
Rain City Gamer
Member
I can understand the disappointment in the Pro Mode light not hitting 60fps as promised but the hyperbole in this thread about the High Pro Mode setting is something else (a "disaster"? really?!). It's one of the best looking / running games I have played on my 4K + HDR TV on the Pro, frame pacing issues and all.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Frame Pacing is much more annoying if it is combined with frame drops, which was the case for some of the sequences in Bloodborne. That is why, it was more noticeable in it than in something like FFXV, which is pretty much optimized for a smooth frame rate the majority of the time except during the city sections, maybe.
I have no idea about RoTR on PS4 since I never played it with the pacing issues. But Dark Souls 3 is another game with such issues and I wouldn't call it annoying either unless it has frame drops.
To summarize, frame drops > frame pacing when it comes to annoyance.
chromatic9
Member
Judder looks extreme driving through the tunnels.
funkystudent
Member
Sony needs to offer the opposite of Boost Mode.
Let people boot Pro enabled games under base PS4 conditions so they can avoid these shite conversions.
Let people boot Pro enabled games under base PS4 conditions so they can avoid these shite conversions.
LordKasual
Banned
1) They're going to either create another mode or roll back this change. It's obvious they fucked up.
2) I don't know why people were literally waiting for this patch to begin with. Did any of you REALLY expect to enjoy a real 60fps version of this game on PS4? This was never a realistic thing.
The PS4P Lite mode was already a massively noticeable improvement over base PS4, and anyone who knows about how framerates work should have been aware that the uncapped mode had a very, very high probability of ending up like this.
Why Square felt compelled to release this without a toggle on the FPS cap is beyond me though.
2) I don't know why people were literally waiting for this patch to begin with. Did any of you REALLY expect to enjoy a real 60fps version of this game on PS4? This was never a realistic thing.
The PS4P Lite mode was already a massively noticeable improvement over base PS4, and anyone who knows about how framerates work should have been aware that the uncapped mode had a very, very high probability of ending up like this.
Why Square felt compelled to release this without a toggle on the FPS cap is beyond me though.
NXGamer
Member
it is not an engine issue directly, the XboxOne has zero pacing problems, what ever is happening on the PS4 and Pro is specific to the choices/environment on that platform but not directly related to the engine..just like the BB/Souls engine.
The frame pacing issues are NOTHING compared to what exists in Bloodborne.
It's playable.
What I hate is the input lag more than anything :/ . Just fix that.
Also I tried out "lite" mode... It's okay. It's not as bad as it makes it out to be in the video.
Like it holds high framerate more than not, from what I've played. But maybe I was in good areas.
You would prefer a stable 30 than a game that drops to 30 from higher framerates on a regular basis. Infamous had this at launch and it was pretty annoying.
But here, from what I've played (which is not reflective of a full playthrough), it seemed to rarely drop to 30. It felt okay.
It's playable.
What I hate is the input lag more than anything :/ . Just fix that.
Also I tried out "lite" mode... It's okay. It's not as bad as it makes it out to be in the video.
Like it holds high framerate more than not, from what I've played. But maybe I was in good areas.
You would prefer a stable 30 than a game that drops to 30 from higher framerates on a regular basis. Infamous had this at launch and it was pretty annoying.
But here, from what I've played (which is not reflective of a full playthrough), it seemed to rarely drop to 30. It felt okay.
theSlacker
Member
Welp. I waited for this patch. Was super hyped for the game and still was able to put off playing it at launch for no reason at all. :c
You would be correct.
I played through Infamous Second Son and First Light on regular PS4 with unlocked framerate and definitely preferred it to fixed framerate mode.
So... opinions.
theSlacker
Member
And just finished the video. I got a ps4 pro mostly for this as well and it's apparently the worst option overall? :c
it's gone from best to worst
Maintenance
Member
Fixed.
ethomaz
Banned
XB1 and PS4 engine are different (PS4 can't run XB1 engine and vice versa)... just because your SDK create abstraction layer over it didn't change the binary engine is different for each platform.
PS4 engine didn't even use the DX12 XB1 API calls... it uses the own PS4 API calls.
No, not at all. There's plenty of articles out there but basically - if a game engine can provide consistent frame rates without massive drops, then an unlocked frame rate can offer a more smooth and responsive presentation. Many times though, games with unlocked frame rates show wildly varying frame rates resulting in a choppy, jarring presentation that's very distracting.
There's a jitter/judder factor as well, but there's typically a specific scenario in which it's more observable.
Basically the combination of FFXV's already choppy performance and an unlocked frame rate incapable of consistently staying above 45 fps is a horrible, horrible combination.
LelouchZero
Member
I like my unlocked frame-rates over 30 fps as-well providing the frame-rate is consistent, something like 45 fps with a minimum of 40 is nice for me, or even a locked 45 fps as it's much more fluid than 30.
Jangowuzhere
Banned
Well, I was thinking of tackling that post ending content once this patch hit.
Guess I'll wait a bit longer...
Guess I'll wait a bit longer...
That's all very subjective. I'd rather have higher unstable framerate to a lower fixed framerate.
Your opinions are not facts.
BRocknRolla
Member
Who is saying this is a fact? The DF video even says some people will be more sensitive than others. Just as you can't just call it "gaf hyperbole" others can't just say "this game is unplayable." These are all just opinions.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
I've played games that go from 60 to 30 fps at a moment's notice. I've also gotten severe headaches from those same games.
It's not worth it.
thebigmachine
Member
The framerate difference is immediate and it's only hovering around 40-50 fps. Man what it could look like with a more stable 60. Just going to have to wait for the inevitable PC release in the future.
The 30fps vsync option should have been included with this patch. This just pisses people off. Bad priorities Square.
The 30fps vsync option should have been included with this patch. This just pisses people off. Bad priorities Square.
So, if I want to play the upcoming DLC (which I already payed for since I bought the season pass),there's no way to bypass this "60 fps" patch, right?
They really need to put a "lock 30fps" option in the menu. Lite mode was practically free of frame pacing problems for the most part, it was locked 30,they went and fucked that. I never complained about it, was perfectly playable and the IQ was good enough for me. Now our choice is either dealing with inconsistent framerate or "high quality" hiccup central. Ugh. I might skip this patch and wait to see if they improve it, I'll be extremely pissed if I'm forced to play it like this to get the dlc going :/
They really need to put a "lock 30fps" option in the menu. Lite mode was practically free of frame pacing problems for the most part, it was locked 30,they went and fucked that. I never complained about it, was perfectly playable and the IQ was good enough for me. Now our choice is either dealing with inconsistent framerate or "high quality" hiccup central. Ugh. I might skip this patch and wait to see if they improve it, I'll be extremely pissed if I'm forced to play it like this to get the dlc going :/
I played and finished FFXV back when it launched, then put it on the back burner to try New Game+ at some later point once all the changes and DLC had come through. Hopefully they can get in a few more performance patches before then. Ideally my goal would be to hit the new level 120 cap, then just tear through NG+ in "revenge mode" stomping all over everything that gave me trouble the first time.
I'm still going through all the games in Q1 2017, like Yakuza 0 and Horizon: Zero Dawn next week, plus Mass Effect: Andromeda and Persona 5, so I'm hoping that by the time the summer drought of games arrives, Squenix will have fixed this up somewhat.
I'm still going through all the games in Q1 2017, like Yakuza 0 and Horizon: Zero Dawn next week, plus Mass Effect: Andromeda and Persona 5, so I'm hoping that by the time the summer drought of games arrives, Squenix will have fixed this up somewhat.
SeeNoWeevil
Member
You still don't want a framerate flailing around from 30-60fps.