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Digital Foundry: Final Fantasy 15: PS4 Pro Patch - 60fps At Last?
- Thread starter LelouchZero
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Clearly you've missed my earlier comment, I actually agree with you and prefer the higher frame rates when they're consistent. I was simply speaking to the tone of DF's analysis video. They indicate that the framerate and jitter present drastically affect the presentation, to the point where its completely distracting.
I haven't played it yet myself to say one way or the other, but I can say that plenty of gaffers are saying that they prefer the experience now.
InsaneTiger
Member
That's how I feel as well. So disappointing.
It's fine if you don't understand. I'd choose a locked 30fps with proper frame pacing over 59fps. That judder is so frustrating.
The difference between the opinions put out here is that I doubt many find 30fps+proper frame pacing unplayably distracting in a game. However, many of us find 30fps+frame pacing issues, or variable frame rates - VERY distracting.
These game devs need to be held to higher standards, and the fact that SE has't given us the option to keep the 30fps lock from the launch code is absolutely mind-numbing.
InsaneTiger
Member
The judder is so bad.
I was one of those. Square just saved me some money. Thanks, I guess.
James Scott
Banned
I was one waiting for the December patch. Even bought the game at launch since it was promised for December.
Caved in and played it in January since I had some days off.
Pretty bizarre that pre patch was actually the definitive edition and now it's gone.
The judder while moving the camera in the car is terrible especially since that's basically all you can do.
What took the two month delay? An "even lighter" mode at 900p while restoring the 1080p mode might be worth looking into, but the fact that a game announced 10 years ago for 2006 tech which was re announced for 2013 tech and released after 2016 tech has performance issues everywhere
Caved in and played it in January since I had some days off.
Pretty bizarre that pre patch was actually the definitive edition and now it's gone.
The judder while moving the camera in the car is terrible especially since that's basically all you can do.
What took the two month delay? An "even lighter" mode at 900p while restoring the 1080p mode might be worth looking into, but the fact that a game announced 10 years ago for 2006 tech which was re announced for 2013 tech and released after 2016 tech has performance issues everywhere
petethepanda
Member
Well, this went about as poorly as it could have, lol. Oh well.
Hope they at least add back in a 30fps lock for Lite mode.
Hope they at least add back in a 30fps lock for Lite mode.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Maybe we should get SE in contact with someone over at Nintendo for help who has already mastered Unreal Engine.
Disappointing result. Was hoping the delay was because they were figuring out how to address the frame pacing issue in the 4k mode so that there would be a proper 30fps mode with increased image quality and the uncapped mode for those who would prefer it. I actually like uncapped framerates in some cases (haven't personally tried this one) but getting rid of the most consistent mode is a bad decision.
McMoneyman
Member
Tabata will soon come out and say this was all on purpose and it will better make us see the world from Noctis' eyes.
Makoto Yuki
Banned
What a mess...
They need to put out a locked 30fps Lite mode out, which I'm sure they will. Is it possible to reach locked 60fps on the PS4? Maybe by unlocking the resolution or something?
Doesn't Nioh have a 60fps mode that drops the resolution? Action mode I believe.
They need to put out a locked 30fps Lite mode out, which I'm sure they will. Is it possible to reach locked 60fps on the PS4? Maybe by unlocking the resolution or something?
Doesn't Nioh have a 60fps mode that drops the resolution? Action mode I believe.
I'm assuming he was rather infamous in these parts?
In any case, the argument was really, really shaky at best. Definitely not the best way to win favours.
James Scott
Banned
It doesn't run on UE4
Alcahest
Member
The problem isn't the new VFR 60fps mode, it's that it replaces the old stable 30fps one entirely.
What we should have gotten is:
- Lite stable 30
- Lite vfr 60
- High
Solely because 3 modes might be confusing to some users, they removed the old smooth Lite mode.
Fuck confused users, are we on PS4 PRO or what.
What we should have gotten is:
- Lite stable 30
- Lite vfr 60
- High
Solely because 3 modes might be confusing to some users, they removed the old smooth Lite mode.
Fuck confused users, are we on PS4 PRO or what.
Diablohead
Member
The big mistake IMO was replacing a perfectly fine and functional 30fps locked mode, if they can't hit a solid 60 it needs to be a 3rd option, not a replacement.
JudgmentJay
Member
I bought it at launch, but I put off playing it for this patch. Now I think I'll just wait for the inevitable PC version... however long that takes. What a mess.
The devs have made it clear they plan on continuing support for the game for at a least a year.
Send your thoughts and disappointment to XV's twitter account who's pretty much always taking in feedback.
Link to DF's video too: https://youtu.be/MfCbomJW4Eg
https://twitter.com/FFXVEN
https://twitter.com/FFXVJP
Send your thoughts and disappointment to XV's twitter account who's pretty much always taking in feedback.
Link to DF's video too: https://youtu.be/MfCbomJW4Eg
https://twitter.com/FFXVEN
https://twitter.com/FFXVJP
It was never stable in lite mode. frame pacing fuckery everywhere.
Lite mode pre-1.05 patch didn't have framepacing issues outside of some cutscenes.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
No it didnt. The high mode had frame pacing, the lite mode didnt.
Oh please. This thread is 95% hyperbole. Someone even got banned for having the hubris to criticize DF (gasp!).
Makoto Yuki
Banned
Yup, DF even said it was the best way to play the game.
Now with the unlocked frame rate it just feels weird. Like I don't mind the uncapped framerate but I find the option for the original lite mode more appealing. Having completed the game on the Lite mode I was hoping this patch would introduce frame pacing fixes for High Mode. Nope.
Hell If they want 60fps go the Nioh route and drop the resolution to a point where it can run without major dips.
There are interviews with tabata coming also every other week, can someone bring this issue up to Tabata please. Like seriously, same with those hundreds of fromsoft interviews with Miyazaki. Not a single person ask him why does all this games have frame pacing issue and never been address. Sony should also start documenting this in your sdk with some options and correct approach to avoid future games with this issue.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
I've been reading video game forums for a long time and i've never even heard of frame pacing until Bloodborne came out. It's probably something that a very small % of their fans bring up so its not a high priority and it might not be easy to fix.
RedAssedApe
Banned
Was waiting to start this. But kind of interested in firing this up to see what people are up in arms about. bloodborne never bothered me
RedAssedApe
Banned
"A lot" by what metric? These type of games are all extremely front loaded. A few hundred gaf members (prob being generous here) not buying due to this isn't any different from a few hundred other ransoms waiting for a price drop.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Or .. like in my case, already bought the game during a winter sale but held off on it because of all the 'fix chapter 13 DLC' shit they announced as well as hoping for a frame pacing patch for the HQ mode.
The former is coming next month, the later .. probably never .. but i'll make my peace with it and play the game once the chap 13 DLC releases.
GG has graduated from that now
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Nope, they unlocked it and there's no toggle to lock it to 30. SE done fucked up with this thread.
illmatic22
Banned
Embarrassing. Give the rights back to Guerrilla.
BlitzerRadic
Member
I preferred playing with unlocked framerate for Infamous SS.
I think it really depends on the game and the implementation of the unlocked framerate. God of War III on PS3 had unlocked framerate and I don't recall anyone complaining about it.
RedAssedApe
Banned
don't get me wrong, i'm actually in your same boat. i bought the game at launch (luckily i got to take advantage of some price adjustments with bestbuy/gcu so i paid 32.99+tax) went on vacation in december for a few weeks so had a sizeable backlog of fall games.
thought i might have had a good window to finally play it between re7 and horizon...but then saw the news about 60fps patch and decided to wait lol
Caayn
Member
I partly agree. However, for example, we've always referred to Unreal Engine 4 on PC, PS4, XB1, etc as the same engine despite the actual binaries being different for each platform. The core of an engine will be the same regardless of each platform.
ISee
Member
Borrowed my brothers psn account to check on ff15. It's still downloading but I gave both the lite and the high mode a try in the close combat arena thingy. Both don't feel good (played each for about 10 minutes) but I have to admit: unlocked lite mode feels better than high mode with frame pacing.
Serious Sam
Member
Thelastword fought some petty personal wars against DigitalFoundry. Went into great lengths to criticize (to say it lightly) every single DF video. It was becoming very tedious.
PHOENIXZERO
Member
Did anyone really expect 60FPS for this?
stargateheaven
Member
if they could do 60 (i was dubious from the beginning though) then thats fine. But the fact they are nowhere near it, its like.. what is the point in this mode??