How about a cheese that (probably) doesn't require a respec?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f4QlmHztyc
Ignore the absurd damage, the gist of it is
spamming that guardian spirit talisman to knock them down
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Nioh |OT| Stamina is Ki
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f4QlmHztyc
Ignore the absurd damage, the gist of it is
This has to do with the special ability overlap issue. The abilities are grouped into "pools" or "families" and you can only have one ability from each group. If the recipient weapon already has an ability from the same group as the one you're trying to transfer, it still not stick. If that happens, you have to Re-Forge the offending ability out first before transferring. All elemental effects, Poison and Paralysis, are a single group, for example. As are the Change to attack (Stat) X abilities. The overlap affects both transferring and Re-forging.
As for the reforging constantly rolling the same or similar results, that is just how loot rolling shit like this works. You are obviously going to see the more common and weak specials more often than the rarer, more powerful ones.
Hey thanks, I'll look into that. I guess I'm going to have to farm a bit though because my grapples don't do 14k damage. I don't have enough Carnage Talismans though, but I don't know how big of a difference those make.
Yeah.
I think the elemental shot talismans do a good amount of elemental buildup as well.
Peroroncino
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I think reforging also has that overlapping issue, it's definitely taken from a pool that can exclude some skills if you already have something similar on a weapon. That's why I need some sort of table/chart with all possibilites.
Sanctuary
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Sorry if I'm LTTP with this, and it's already been stated, but I just finished my own observations with this.
Even if it has, it can't be stated enough; do not ever put Agility Damage Bonus on either of your melee weapons.
Agility Bonus Damage does not go beyond A+. It also does not care what source your A+ is coming from. A+ = A+ whether it's from your melee weapon, ranged item or combination of familiar and ranged item (e.g. Aya-Komori A and any weapon at D Agility Bonus or higher = A+). Therefore, putting it on your weapon is a complete waste, since you could instead have either Familiarity Bonus (caps at 15%) or Close Combat Damage (so far caps at 20%) in addition to an A+ Agility Bonus.
When using the bonus from a ranged weapon, it must be the currently active ranged weapon. You can't simply have it equipped, it must be the active weapon. So just put A+ on both ranged and never worry about it again. You can view your total bonus in the Special Effects menu too.
The Agility bonus is global, and works with all weapons. Familiarity is exclusive, and only affects the weapon its on.
Even if it has, it can't be stated enough; do not ever put Agility Damage Bonus on either of your melee weapons.
Agility Bonus Damage does not go beyond A+. It also does not care what source your A+ is coming from. A+ = A+ whether it's from your melee weapon, ranged item or combination of familiar and ranged item (e.g. Aya-Komori A and any weapon at D Agility Bonus or higher = A+). Therefore, putting it on your weapon is a complete waste, since you could instead have either Familiarity Bonus (caps at 15%) or Close Combat Damage (so far caps at 20%) in addition to an A+ Agility Bonus.
When using the bonus from a ranged weapon, it must be the currently active ranged weapon. You can't simply have it equipped, it must be the active weapon. So just put A+ on both ranged and never worry about it again. You can view your total bonus in the Special Effects menu too.
The Agility bonus is global, and works with all weapons. Familiarity is exclusive, and only affects the weapon its on.
Yes, this is exactly what I do. First, use quick low stance strikes with dual swords to proc water buff, then immediately use suzaku guardian spirit talisman which, more often than not, procs fire. Quick and easy discord. Most NG+ twilight bosses are all but done once discord is set up.
I would imagine it would work similarity with raiken talisman. For revenants just parry them if you're comfortable. Sword parry haze is very good and sets you up for double iai strike into killing blow wombo combo. Good to practice for human bosses as well.
Chaos2Frozen
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Just any two elements, except wind... They're resistance to wind.
Pop 1 or 2 Onmyou points to get an elemental talisman buff, I recommend either Lightning or Water, and then throw bombs till it catches the fire dot.
It literally says just that in my post, that re-forging is similarly affected. One simply can never have two abilities from the same group on the same weapon/armor at any time, for any reason.
The groups are mostly self evident. Only one attack Ki-cost reducing thing, one straight out damage buffing thing, one extra stat scaling thing, one guard Ki-cost reducing thing, one elemental effect thing, one self healing feature, one break value modifier etc.
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
In case anyone's interested (which I doubt) here's how I did the game hardest boss fight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ts9CDe29-M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ts9CDe29-M
I'm stuck on this fight as well, so I'm watching everything I can.
Good job on that! What are the two spells you keep using?
I believe red demon has close combat damage in addition to a separate burning foes damage bonus. That crossed sickles set looks good but I like light armor.
Oh thank you for the testing. Just for clarification, if I have agility damage bonus A+ on my bow (and gun) that works for my melee weapons as well? I also seem to remember getting an accessory with familiarity bonus on it as well. Would that work similarly? Although that may just be a familiarity multiplier, in order to build familiarity quicker rather than a damage bonus. This is how proficiency multiplier works.
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
Fire Talisman (to give my weapon a little bit more oomph, as I was relatively underleveled, I feel) and Lifedrain (which slows the enemy's Ki regeneration, which makes it sliiiiighty easier to get criticals in this fight).
Thanks, man!
yes it has too, not as much as crossed sickles though. Also CS stacks nicely with the katana mystic art for hitting behind foes.
Buut... as you said, I can't go back to medium armor even with that awesome bonus lol So I'm rocking Red demon with fire katana (yeah I also have a fire spear, so I have to buff my weapon with another element to discord... not that I really need it much though).
N° 2048
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Wait, so if I'm using Aya-Komori there's no point having Agility Damage Bonus on my weapons?
Low stance, mash Square. High stance, mash Square. When fighting humans, do High Stance Triangle (Hold) into R1 + Triangle (Foot Sweep Skill) into Final Blow.
That's all you need to know.
You are LTTP, but people didn't read my posts, haha
I knew about aya-komori being global and affecting all weapons but not about ranged weapon agility bonus affecting melee weapons.
Yeah like, I found that you can stack them up.
I have EDDB instead on my off-hand.
Going from A to A+ is only ~2%
JadedWriter
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I actually fought one of these things once, hit it with a water living weapon attack, it then flew up and then two seconds later fell into the water and died, I was like "What?"
Oh, that's global too? I should get that on my ranged weapons too, then, thanks.
Chaos2Frozen
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Are Armor with set bonuses naturally better? Because everyone seems to be slapping on some hero's clothes lol.
And if so, how does Yukimura Sanada's armor set bonus look? http://nioh.wiki.fextralife.com/The+Red+of+Devotion
And if so, how does Yukimura Sanada's armor set bonus look? http://nioh.wiki.fextralife.com/The+Red+of+Devotion
YoRHa No.2 Type B
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Would someone tell me what the last title is, that I am missing?
The one direct under defeating a fiend with bare hands.
The one direct under defeating a fiend with bare hands.
Hentailover
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Considering you get only 1 (rather underwhelming) bonus for each threshold, I'd say it's not great.
Tomeru
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I thought it said 30% regen. Nothing about critical written there? Damnit.
It does, but it has the highest close combat dmg for burning foes.
Sanctuary
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Aya-Komori is an A Agility. You can reach A+. So while technically you can use any level of Agility on a ranged weapon with that Guardian to hit A+, it's up to you whether or not you want to give up 20% or higher ranged damage on that weapon.
Sorry. I've been out of this thread a while, and on another forum some were claiming you could have the bonus on a ranged weapon, even without it being your currently active ranged weapon and still get the bonus damage with your melee weapons (you don't). Sounded fishy, so I did my own tests. I also wanted to see if the supposed 15% Agility and Familiarity bonuses were accurate, and they are it seems.
Yes. Agility Damage Bonus is global. However, you need to have it on your currently active weapons for it to work. So just put A+ on both ranged items and don't think about it anymore if you aren't already using Aya-Komori.
I am not actually sure about the accessories with Familiarity bonuses either. When I very loosely tried them out last week, they didn't seem to do much. I can't remember if the weapon I was using was already at max Familiarity either, but I guess it's something to try out again. I just assumed that the bonus on those only actually helped you max out the weapon faster.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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what happened with the clans battle thingy?
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
"Immediately after coming out of an onsen, smack a fiend with your massive dick."
No, sorry, I have no idea what that last title is, LOL.
Why would you assume that is the only option? They would just speak the lines in English, there's no need for offensive fake accents.
I think the Japanese VA is pretty good in this game and I like how William is basically the Chinese guy from the Ocean's movies, but "fake accents would be bad" seems like a weird rebuttal to the original (and understandable) point.
What is likely to happen forever, the side with Toyotomi wins, everyone gets some glory with factors from which side won and what overall rank your clan achieved and you, personally, might get a discount for the glory purchases for the next week depending on how high in personal rankings your personal glory contributions put you. I got a mighty -5.5% discount
Chaos2Frozen
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Goddamnit lol.... OTL
Genius tactician set maybe?
http://nioh.wiki.fextralife.com/Strategist+of+Legend
Peroroncino
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I'm still a little drowsy sorry, anyway, while the groups may be self evident, there may be one or two good skills hiding in them [possibly exotic colored skill], I wouldn't mind being able to see the exact possibilites.
Wiki is still pretty barebones.
Pandora012
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Gave up on the 2 tengu sub mission and just went infinite living weapon with my phoenix. Never have I experienced so much frustration.
It is defeat a one eyed oni cyclops with bare hands. Just go to nue level, use fist talisman and wreck it.
YoRHa No.2 Type B
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Thank you. Will do that right away so I can cross that out of the way.
Next goal then:
LEVEL 750 FARM
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
What is likely to happen forever, the side with Toyotomi wins, everyone gets some glory with factors from which side won and what overall rank your clan achieved and you, personally, might get a discount for the glory purchases for the next week depending on how high in personal rankings your personal glory contributions put you. I got a mighty -5.5% discount
lol
that's cool, i went Shimazu and only could reach rank 1800 something but i only have like 5 days with the clan
Bloodporne
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I keep not being able to decide what fashion to rock...damnit.
I was really into getting my hands on the Iga ninja getup but now that I've been wearing it for a bit, I immediately want to try something else ha.
I was really into getting my hands on the Iga ninja getup but now that I've been wearing it for a bit, I immediately want to try something else ha.
I can't decide which character to transform into. Too many awesome choices.
Radical Edward
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Nice fight. Your Yuki is way more docile and less devious than mine. She constantly spams all her long range stuff and if i get knocked down, she cues something i can't avoid on wakeup. How much body do you have? The perks of being a spear user, i guess.
Nose Master
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What is the last icon on the clan menu when you're picking a clan? No information comes up. I'm gonna guess it's just no clan?
Novum_Veritas
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Had less problems with it than the Other shore quest.
Pandora012
Member
I'm wearing this, not the best image, but all I have at work.
It's Li arm and leg gear, Iga pants, and the Justice onmyo chest armor.
Oh I believe that. I am probably not able to beat that mission at all lol.
Novum_Veritas
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Well after I got divine equipment and good onmyo buffs it was doable. I would recommend the pheonix guardian for it.
This:
Is more or less a collection of the best shit you can put on a weapon. The elemental property is of the higher, far rarer roll (occurs naturally in that particular weapon), all of the effects are of the rarer, generalist nature and even the %% rolls themselves are quite high or even at max values, beside the transferable attack Ki cost one which will be replaced when I see a higher roll version.
The Close Combat Damage Bonus is in the same pool with Agility damage bonus, Less armor damage bonus, familiarity damage bonus and Skill damage bonus but trumps them all in utility and likely in the maximum increase limit as well.
Guard Ki Reduction shares a pool with the stance specific ones of similar nature, which are obviously inferior.
Close Combat Ki Damage shares a pool with the stance specific ones of similar nature, which are obviously inferior.
Close Combat Attack Ki Reduction shares a pool with the stance specific ones of similar nature and the one governing Skill use Ki costs, which are obviously inferior.
The additional Stat scaling abilities Change to Attack (stat) X are a pool unto themselves.
Fire, Lightning, Earth, Wind, Water, Poison, Paralysis form a group and, as mentioned above, have a chance of being rolled in two different tiers (both are still blue) where the better, far rarer one has greater values. On divine lv 150 items this would translate into values between 9-12 and 14-16 on zero familiarity.
Close Combat Attack Life Drain shares a pool with the stance specific ones and the arguably superior blue ability Close Combat Life Recovery, which heals you a set amount every time you kill something.
Break value modifiers are all white and form a pool of their own.
(Critical) effects, which only activate when you're at <30% health don't share pools with similar abilities that aren't (Critical) and can thus co-exist on the same piece of gear.
Now the armor side though... that is the place where it gets nuts when you get to divine armors (which also get familiarity and inheritable abilities) as all pieces can inherit abilities from the other pieces, even though only certain pieces can roll certain abilities.
Sanctuary
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Those bonuses are pretty much the best you can get in terms of actual damage (if not the maximum modifiers anyway) for non specific enemy types. Although Close Combat Ki Reduction, Guard Reduction Cost/Parry are pretty good too as your only non offensive bonus. I'm not really sure yet what the difference between Guard Reduction Cost and Parry are either. Parry might just be a flat reduction cost, and Guard Reduction Cost is better for larger hitting attacks.
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
25 body, IIRC.
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