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[Wolf Akela]

Hope the guys at WSJ who did all of this get suspended, if not fired.

I'm no PDP fan at all. I actually dislike his videos. What those particular guys at WSJ did was nothing short of what tabloid writers and paparazzis would do.

 

[Ponn]

you're gonna have to explain this one a little bit more

Look back at the last several pages of emotional responses, maybe? Not that hard to see in action. People in general can idolize and turn blind eyes to any criticism of their chosen idol. Look at sports fans, look at Hillary fans, look at Trump fans.

 

[StoOgE]

hahaha damn you're right. That vox thing IS out of context. RIP

The linking to scumbags thing... yeah I guess he's thanking people that defended him. i'm not convinced that it makes him an alt-righter/nazi/whatever

Also TIL that a well-groomed beard means you're an neo nazi. Time to shave my beard

Yeah, sorry. Thanking an alt-right racist for defending you is a bad look.

Especially when the thing you just got accused of doing was telling a racist joke.

"I would like to thank the Grand Wizard of the KKK for coming to my defense about that joke about black people. Thanks bro."

 

[Iksenpets]

The whole point of the video was to highlight how far those on Fiverr would go for money.

From what I've seen it wasn't even really a joke, just something done to prove a point.

The whole POINT OF THE VIDEO was to show that people were happy to publish offensive content for money. It wasn't an endorsement of the comments themselves.

The way the WSJ have spent time and effort taking PDPs videos out of context to stir up drama... all this does is damage their credibility. In what other articles have they bent the truth?

I have a huge amount of respect for PDP for dealing with what is effectively a character-assassination campaign.

I'm also getting very sick of the sanctimonious, self-righteous, and obnoxious attitude here. I understand the need to promote tolerance towards different ethnicities/ religions, but please can we keep things truthful? This sort of behaviour is what is driving people away from left-wing politics (speaking as someone who identifies as left-wing)

Dude, you're in a real bad position when your argument is "no, I wasn't spreading antisemitism, I was just making a joke about how poor these people are that I can get them to debase themselves for beans!"

 

[Prithee Be Careful]

See? This is exactly what I'm talking about. I simply post my opinion that Sargon is not a fascist, and I'm told to "fuck off" in the most rude way possible. It's becoming so difficult to have a measured, polite discussion on GAF these days, I wonder why I even bother.

I hear that. I mean, I'm not an old man, but I remember a time when guilt by association was actually considered a bad thing. Judging by this thread, not anymore.The internet has driven people crazy.

Now things are understood in the simplest terms only, no quarter is given for context or human error and nobody gets a second chance. No one even tries to understand anything that anyone says anymore. They make a decision, pick a trench either with or against, dig in hard and shout so loud at once about things they never even attempted to understand that all that really remains is a din.

So that's what we get now. One side screams 'SJW cuck' and the spits back 'fascist nazi' and slowly the world get stupider. And while they preach and pontificate under the terrifying illusion - on both sides - that really they're the smart ones - disposed to no capability in being wrong - we have but a beleaguered handful in the middle going

"I wonder what really happened here? I wonder if I got all the facts? Am I being too harsh? Or not enough?" The sort of people who still question their own moral authority and ask: "Would I act any better in the same circumstances? Is it possible there's more to this than a simple battle of 'good and evil'?"

Wonder how many people without sin are the ones casting the stones in here...

 

[StoOgE]

Hope the guys at WSJ who did all of this get suspended, if not fired.

I'm no PDP fan at all. I actually dislike his videos. What those particular guys at WSJ did was nothing short of what tabloid writers and paparazzis would do.

No it was not.

They followed normal standards of journalism and worked with an editorial team and reached out to PDP for comment on the material which he did not provide. If he had provided them with a statement explaining his side of the story it would have been included in the original article.

He did not, and while asking Disney and Google for comment on the story they decided to take action against him, likely because 1) People in the PR department at Google and Disney did not want the negative association after seeing the video in question. 2) Knew the WSJ was about to bring this to light.

 

[Nudull]

Move on with the L, just like PPD has!

But he needs to stay and talk about the media over and over while openly promoting fascists! Just telling kids the truth, man.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

It's YouTube. As much as everyone wants to think viewers are all dumb, a good chunk of those who watch his videos will have individualism and make their own minds up about important things. Good parenting of children is far more important than giving up all responsibility to YouTube content creators to bring up your children. That is the one thing I cannot get behind when it comes out in crazy force just because someone has a shit load of subscribers (the think of the children argument).

He doesn't have any real power, as in legislation, or over laws or by being an actual educational force. As in, he's not a school teacher or part of an educational institute. It's low-ball humour/entertainment. If the guys channel had started as something educational then gone into stupid jokes/shock humour, okay, it's misleading an audience. It hasn't though, it's always been pretty shit. IMO more a case of the perfect storm, right guy, right timing (very early YT days), and early day shock/meme humour leading to a stupid amount of subscriptions.

Eh. Children's movies and cartoons are usually scrutinized for their content and the responsibility they carry, because yes, while parenting is important, it's a fact that kids are exposed to TV and media and are influenced by it.

Why should Youtubers with millions of young subscribers be treated any differently? Because TV's been around for decades but Youtube is new-ish? Nah.

My respect for pewdiepie has skyrocketed after this and his previous apology video.

Spot on. Im finally a subscriber.

In a way Im glad this horrible incident happened to him (a genuinely nice guy) purely for the fact that he has the platform and reach to expose it for what it really is and perhaps wake more people up as to what is actually going on.

The exact same thing holds true for Trump.

He's not a Nazi. He's not a fascist. He's just a nice guy making millions laugh and offending a few precious power hungry virtue signalling people along the way.

The videogame industry is filled with these types unfortunately... but that's another story.

What am I even reading....

Trump a nice guy? lol I've heard it all. That's satire right? *checks post history* Oh...

See? This is exactly what I'm talking about. I simply post my opinion that Sargon is not a fascist, and I'm told to "fuck off" in the most rude way possible. It's becoming so difficult to have a measured, polite discussion on GAF these days, I wonder why I even bother.

Why are you ignoring the part where the person you're quoting said, "Sargon believes poc have lower IQs.", and decided instead to whine about their tone?

 

[AESplusF]

No it was not.

They followed normal standards of journalism and worked with an editorial team and reached out to PDP for comment on the material which he did not provide. If he had provided them with a statement explaining his side of the story it would have been included in the original article.

He did not, and while asking Disney and Google for comment on the story they decided to take action against him, likely because 1) People in the PR department at Google and Disney did not want the negative association after seeing the video in question. 2) Knew the WSJ was about to bring this to light.

So they did contact PDP for input before putting the story out?

 

[xxracerxx]

Dude, you're in a real bad position when your argument is "no, I wasn't spreading antisemitism, I was just making a joke about how poor these people are that I can get them to debase themselves for beans!"

Yup.

 

[Chumley]

Fuck PDP. He's cozying up to pieces of shit like Sargon of Akkad, JonTron, and not taking full responsibility for what he did. He's fucking done. I wish GAF would just stop giving him oxygen.

While I'm at it, fuck H3H3 too for getting in bed with the same circle of GG'ers and bigots. I was a fan for a long time, but for over the last year or so he's gone downhill and straight into the gutter of "anti-SJW" shit he now resides.

 

[gunslikewhoa]

No, he's pathetic and only digging the hole even deeper. Get fucked.

I would say the >99% thumbs up say otherwise.

 

[HarryDemeanor]

Keep digging that hole PewDiePie.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Hope the guys at WSJ who did all of this get suspended, if not fired.

I'm no PDP fan at all. I actually dislike his videos. What those particular guys at WSJ did was nothing short of what tabloid writers and paparazzis would do.

They checked the content of his videos. They reached out to his sponsors to see if they were aware of it. They reached out to him, but he didn't respond. The only problem I maybe see is the order of first reaching out to sponsors, instead of to PDP directly. Then again, contacting him first could have let to him deleting stuff and unaware sponsors not able to comment on it. I don't really think the order matters, since it is part of journalistic process anyway.

What PDP needs to learn here is very simple: get a PR manager to handle this shit. That way, when the WSJ reaches out about it, they can get on it right away and deal with it instead of complaining afterwards. The fact that he didn't even respond to them is very telling here about him not being on the level of professionalism that his platform and reach requires.

So they did contact PDP for input before putting the story out?

Yes. He didn't respond. We don't know how much time was given.

 

[Iva Demilcol]

And then he says don't do this. That's not random but with the purpose of telling people to not do this.

The video that started everything is basically the same thing: he says "I'm sorry, I didn't thought they'd do this" and the WSJ video does include that apology. At the end of the day what they are reporting is that a YT "star" with 50+ million subscribers does that regularly. That's all the context we need.

 

[Makonero]

And then he says don't do this. That's not random but with the purpose of telling people to not do this.

*wink**wink*don't do this *wink**wink*

by even giving it space and the time of day he is normalizing and popularizing it

 

[Iksenpets]

I would say the >99% thumbs up say otherwise.

Ah, the fabled wisdom of YouTube commenters.

 

[AESplusF]

Yes. He didn't respond. We don't know how much time was given.

Just kept hearing over and over that they hadn't, source?

 

[Ros8105]

Keep digging that hole PewDiePie.

He dug a hole for Ben Fritz over there.

 

[Kinyou]

The video that started everything is basically the same thing: he says "I'm sorry, I didn't thought they'd do this" and the WSJ video does include that apology. At the end of the day what they are reporting is that a YT "star" with 50+ million subscribers does that regularly. That's all the context we need.

I think that's pretty different as that was something he actually ordered from the guys, meaning it was his idea. He didnt order people to make swastikas in his game, he actually did the opposite.

*wink**wink*don't do this *wink**wink*

by even giving it space and the time of day he is normalizing and popularizing it

Highlighting something you consider bad is not popularizing it. Or else would the WSJ be guilty of the exact same thing.

 

[Chumley]

I would say the >99% thumbs up say otherwise.

That means nothing. The alt-right basically lives on the internet, that's why most YouTube comments are really disgusting.

 

[Audioboxer]

No it was not.

They followed normal standards of journalism and worked with an editorial team and reached out to PDP for comment on the material which he did not provide. If he had provided them with a statement explaining his side of the story it would have been included in the original article.

He did not, and while asking Disney and Google for comment on the story they decided to take action against him, likely because 1) People in the PR department at Google and Disney did not want the negative association after seeing the video in question. 2) Knew the WSJ was about to bring this to light.

PDP is disputing that though StoOgE. He is stating they went to his sponsors first.

I do agree however that Disney (and YT) were going to act when this blew up, and this is a lesson for PDP. Regardless of what you have been getting away with under a sponsor such as Disney, if you light a fire under your own ass for content/jokes like this expect the worst at some point. I said earlier, while Disney would have been laughing to the bank riding his bucks, a PR nightmare is always going to end with the company/sponsor protecting itself before its creators.

Eh. Children's movies and cartoons are usually scrutinized for their content and the responsibility they carry, because yes, while parenting is important, it's a fact that kids are exposed to TV and media and are influenced by it.

Why should Youtubers with millions of young subscribers be treated any differently? Because TV's been around for decades but Youtube is new-ish? Nah.


What am I even reading....

Trump a nice guy? lol I've heard it all. That's satire right? *checks post history* Oh...


Why are you ignoring the part where the person you're quoting said, "Sargon believes poc have lower IQs.", and decided instead to whine about their tone?

I didn't say they should be treated differently. It was a layered 2 cents on why parenting is more important than ever because like it or not kids can go online and watch just about anything. I used to have to stay up late and watch South Park as a kid, as it was on after 9PM (British watershed for adult content). That was but a minor layer of protection. Everyone in Primary School spoke about South Park anyway... Now though, there isn't even basic layers of protection with streaming sites and the internet. Heck after 9pm in the UK on Channel 5 you used to get softcore porn films, and I can assure you all the boys snuck in one or two of them.

Although things like Netflix usually have parental controls. Those don't work automatically though, parents need to use them. We've survived for generations with kids watching questionable shit, and we'll survive going forward. We've had many of these arguments before with violent video games and kids buying/playing GTA/COD.

 

[MooseKnuckles]

Digging your heels in and refusing to accept responsibility for your own questionable content, and then signal boosting actual racists who came to your defense isn't a good look.

I remember (years ago now) someone linking a Sargon video in a Gamergate thread. Took about a minute to see exactly what breed of shithead he was. If the pool of your defenders is shallow enough that you have to include people of his caliber, it's time to reconsider what you're doing.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

Also seriously CGP Grey?
https://twitter.com/cgpgrey/status/835195521941794816

 

[hawk2025]

I hear that. I mean, I'm not an old man, but I remember a time when guilt by association was actually considered a bad thing. Judging by this thread, not anymore.The internet has driven people crazy.

Now things are understood in the simplest terms only, no quarter is given for context or human error and nobody gets a second chance. No one even tries to understand anything that anyone says anymore. They make a decision, pick a trench either with or against, dig in hard and shout so loud at once about things they never even attempted to understand that all that really remains is a din.

So that's what we get now. One side screams 'SJW cuck' and the spits back 'fascist nazi' and slowly the world get stupider. And while they preach and pontificate under the terrifying illusion - on both sides - that really they're the smart ones - disposed to no capability in being wrong - we have but a beleaguered handful in the middle going

"I wonder what really happened here? I wonder if I got all the facts? Am I being too harsh? Or not enough?" The sort of people who still question their own moral authority and ask: "Would I act any better in the same circumstances? Is it possible there's more to this than a simple battle of 'good and evil'?"

Wonder how many people without sin are the ones casting the stones in here...

Meanwhile, the enlightened individuals preach from "Both sides" mountain.

Spare us.

 

[aeolist]

for someone who talks about not wanting to make political content he is pretty quickly thrusting himself onto one side of a sharp political divide

 

[Prithee Be Careful]

Dude, you're in a real bad position when your argument is "no, I wasn't spreading antisemitism, I was just making a joke about how poor these people are that I can get them to debase themselves for beans!"

And we can all agree that the two people in question had no choice in being debased. Nope, they couldn't possibly have resisted...

Ask yourself, if a poor white guy from the US had held up this sign on camera, would you give him a free pass - argue that he'd be debased? If Pewds himself had held up a sign on camera in a language he didn't understand that said something awfully racist would you have expected him to at least check before he did it.

Think about it and if you find that the answer is 'yes, I would have heaped at least some blame on a white western individual who did this', ask why. It's enlightening. To ask why you expect a white person to have a greater sense of agency and are more responsible for their actions that non-western, non-whites, who are excused as helpless victims who couldn't possibly have known what they were doing.

 

[Jebusman]

Also seriously CGP Grey?
https://twitter.com/cgpgrey/status/835195521941794816

Just about every major youtuber is going to see this as an attack on them via the old media.

They don't really see or care about the details of why, they just see one of their own losing a (tiny) part of his livelyhood because of the "news media" and feeling attacked.

Years of being able to operate without any oversight or rules has pretty much led to this sentiment.

 

[Calm waterfall]

I can't compare Sargon of Akkad to David Duke.....why?

Please explain, I've asked before.

PDP did not endorse Sargon or his views he linked Sargon because Sargon defended him, period. Duke is was the head of the KKK an organisation which killed people and Sargon was not. Is this really so hard to understand?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I hear that. I mean, I'm not an old man, but I remember a time when guilt by association was actually considered a bad thing. Judging by this thread, not anymore.The internet has driven people crazy.

Now things are understood in the simplest terms only, no quarter is given for context or human error and nobody gets a second chance. No one even tries to understand anything that anyone says anymore. They make a decision, pick a trench either with or against, dig in hard and shout so loud at once about things they never even attempted to understand that all that really remains is a din.

So that's what we get now. One side screams 'SJW cuck' and the spits back 'fascist nazi' and slowly the world get stupider. And while they preach and pontificate under the terrifying illusion - on both sides - that really they're the smart ones - disposed to no capability in being wrong - we have but a beleaguered handful in the middle going

"I wonder what really happened here? I wonder if I got all the facts? Am I being too harsh? Or not enough?" The sort of people who still question their own moral authority and ask: "Would I act any better in the same circumstances? Is it possible there's more to this than a simple battle of 'good and evil'?"

Wonder how many people without sin are the ones casting the stones in here...

I don't neccesarily disagree, but my problems with PdP are how he is handling the backlash much moreso than the "joke" itself. I will absolutely defend someone's right to make a bad joke, but when that joke falls flat, or when the result of that joke has consequences, own up and face them. Having the right to tel a bad joke does not mean you have to right to be free from judgement, does not mean you have the right to a Disney contract, it does not mean you have the right to not be criticized. Own up to those things, instead he is turtling up, insulating himself with the support of dipshits like Sargon and GG, and doubling down on the pathetic, cowardly Gamergate/Alt-Right defense mechanism of deflecting and blaming everybody else and whining about "PC" and "outrage culture" which is really just a front for "why can't I marginalized minorities and not be called out on it anymore?"

 

[xxracerxx]

PDP did not endorse Sargon or his views he linked Sargon because Sargon defended him, period.

Come on dude.

 

[VDenter]

Also seriously CGP Grey?
https://twitter.com/cgpgrey/status/835195521941794816

Yeah because what he says here is 100% true.

https://twitter.com/cgpgrey/status/835202459215806465

 

[Spukc]

Just about every major youtuber is going to see this as an attack on them via the old media.

They don't really see or care about the details of why, they just see one of their own losing a (tiny) part of his livelyhood because of the "news media" and feeling attacked.

Years of being able to operate without any oversight or rules has pretty much led to this sentiment.

yup and pewdiepie just made himself their front man.

 

[Jebusman]

PDP did not endorse Sargon or his views he linked Sargon because Sargon defended him, period. Duke is was the head of the KKK an organisation which killed people and Sargon was not. Is this really so hard to understand?

What you're not understanding is that when someone makes a comparison between people, they are not saying they are LITERALLY as bad as that person on the scale of "1 to genocide".

They are making the comparison to a similar situation in which someone, in a public facing position, had received support from someone that is widely known to be a hateful person, and rather than publicly rebuking this support, on the grounds that they don't agree with the views this person is publicly known for, just rolled with it, or potentially even worse, acknowledges the support.

Linking to Sargon, for any reason, whatsoever, is a fucking bad look. Get this through your head.

 

[gunslikewhoa]

Pews, take a deep breath, hire a PR manager, get someone to manage your production, and make fun shows instead of doing this stuff. Grow with your platform.

Also a bit funny how he now calls that previous video an "apology video" while giving the middle finger to the outlet that called you out.

So he literally says "it wasn't a problem until it was brought up". So he still doesn't know why it was a problem.

I'm not seeing the irony here. The apology wasn't directed toward the outlet that called him out.

 

[Prithee Be Careful]

Meanwhile, the enlightened individuals preach from "Both sides" mountain.

Spare us.

Are you arguing that understanding both sides of the argument is a bad thing?

 

[malboroking]

People are defending Sargon? The dude has literally said that black people are genetically stupider than white people. He is a literal white supremacist. Now we have a guy saying Trump is just a funny nice guy sticking it to the SJWs? Donald Trump is concerned with one thing, Donald Trump. The man has been in the b spotlight for over 30 years, we know exactly who he is.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Just kept hearing over and over that they hadn't, source?

The actual video in the OP. He says so himself: https://youtu.be/sTCDfE_sKnM?t=3m36s

"Went to the brands that I work with before they came to me for a comment."

Not that they didn't ask him, the complaint is that they didn't come to him first.

I'm not seeing the irony here. The apology wasn't directed toward the outlet that called him out.

He never gave an apology. It was really: sorry that you find it offensive. Now he calls it an apology video, but before it was a response video. And well, if you surround any apology with a literal middle finger to the people calling you out, I can't take that apology serious anyway.

Yeah because what he says here is 100% true.

https://twitter.com/cgpgrey/status/835202459215806465

Clickbait is going the same way as fake news as a term. Everything people don't find newsworthy themselves is now clickbait. An article titled "Disney Severs Ties With YouTube Star PewDiePie After Anti-Semitic Posts" is not clickbait.

PDP did not endorse Sargon or his views he linked Sargon because Sargon defended him, period. Duke is was the head of the KKK an organisation which killed people and Sargon was not. Is this really so hard to understand?

Why is the link there to begin with? Come on dude. Even if he doesn't outright endorse it, he at least doesn't find it offensive enough to distance himself from such people. And that is problematic enough.

 

[Nepenthe]

Are you arguing that understanding both sides of the argument is a bad thing?

"Both sides" is shorthand for equivocating the validity of any two sides of an issue, not for inherently understanding each side's positions.

People are defending Sargon? The dude has literally said that black people are genetically stupider than white people. He is a literal white supremacist.

That might be because a whoooole bunch of your fellow white gamers and nerds deep down believe similar thoughts about black people.

 

[Deleted member 10571]

It's about ethics in journalism.

lol

Reposting because overlooked.

 

[hawk2025]

And we can all agree that the two people in question had no choice in being debased. Nope, they couldn't possibly have resisted...

Ask yourself, if a poor white guy from the US had held up this sign on camera, would you give him a free pass - argue that he'd be debased? If Pewds himself had held up a sign on camera in a language he didn't understand that said something awfully racist would you have expected him to at least check before he did it.

Think about it and if you find that the answer is 'yes, I would have heaped at least some blame on a white western individual who did this', ask why. It's enlightening. To ask why you expect a white person to have a greater sense of agency and are more responsible for their actions that non-western, non-whites, who are excused as helpless victims who couldn't possibly have known what they were doing.

...are you fucking kidding me?

Yes, I hold wealthy, priviliged people from developed countries -- including me -- to a higher standard.

 

[aeolist]

Are you arguing that understanding both sides of the argument is a bad thing?

it's a ridiculous false equivalence

 

[Corpekata]

The whole "the point of the video was to show how far fiverr would go" defense rings false to me. It's like everytime some idiot prankster does a video about fondling random girls butts and they say "It was a social expirement about how people would react"

 

[AESplusF]

The actual video in the OP. He says so himself: https://youtu.be/sTCDfE_sKnM?t=3m36s



Not that they didn't ask him, the complaint is that they didn't come to him first.


He never gave an apology. It was really: sorry that you find it offensive. Now he calls it an apology video, but before it was a response video. And well, if you surround any apology with a literal middle finger to the people calling you out, I can't take that apology serious anyway.

Ah ok I guess I misunderstood.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

Yeah because what he says here is 100% true.

https://twitter.com/cgpgrey/status/835202459215806465

He's falling down the same "ethics in journalism" hole that led to Gamergate.

 

[jtb]

Are you arguing that understanding both sides of the argument is a bad thing?

There are plenty of things don't have "two sides" worth listening to.

 

[Mman235]

Like others the link to a piece of shit like Sargon changes my feelings about this; I thought PDP was just doing dumb edgy bullshit (which doesn't mean the criticism wasn't mostly justified), but linking to someone like him of all people makes me think this is the start of jumping off the deep end, even if I hope I'm wrong.

Also lol at the fake JK Rowling thing and equating a Nazi site article with WSJ. In light of that I can't even fully trust the supposedly damning Ben Fritz stuff. DAE fight fake news and outrage culture by contributing to it XD ?

 

[blakep267]

People are defending Sargon? The dude has literally said that black people are genetically stupider than white people. He is a literal white supremacist. Now we have a guy saying Trump is just a funny nice guy sticking it to the SJWs? Donald Trump is concerned with one thing, Donald Trump. The man has been in the b spotlight for over 30 years, we know exactly who he is.

That's how it starts. By dismissing these guys as just jokesters when they are spewing venom. Pewdiepie can do no wrong yadda yadda yadda. A few of his younger viewers here and there start following guys like Sargon and get brainwashed etc

 

[Ninja Scooter]

PDP did not endorse Sargon or his views he linked Sargon because Sargon defended him, period. Duke is was the head of the KKK an organisation which killed people and Sargon was not. Is this really so hard to understand?

David Duke is a reprehensible piece of shit who endorsed Donald Trump and Donald Trump accepted his endorsement, yet doesn't want us to view that as a referendum on his character.

Sargon is a reprehensible piece of shit who endorsed PDP and PDP accepted his endorsement, yet doesn't want us to view that as a referendum on his character.

 

[Iksenpets]

And we can all agree that the two people in question had no choice in being debased. Nope, they couldn't possibly have resisted...

Ask yourself, if a poor white guy from the US had held up this sign on camera, would you give him a free pass - argue that he'd be debased? If Pewds himself had held up a sign on camera in a language he didn't understand that said something awfully racist would you have expected him to at least check before he did it.

Think about it and if you find that the answer is 'yes, I would have heaped at least some blame on a white western individual who did this', ask why. It's enlightening. To ask why you expect a white person to have a greater sense of agency and are more responsible for their actions that non-western, non-whites, who are excused as helpless victims who couldn't possibly have known what they were doing.

Nah, if those people knew what the sign they were holding up said (and I honestly don't know if they did or not) then yeah, it was really shitty for them to take the money and do it. Same as it would be with a white person. But in any of those scenarios, the person paying them to do it is still being a racist piece of shit! The one person I can say with 100% confidence is being pretty awful in this situation is PDP.

Like, I don't know if you think you're being clever by trying to pivot me onto some weird white guilt tangential to the point I was making, but nothing you said was a defense of PDP or the fact that he managed to roll antisemitism and disdain for the poor all into a single joke.