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Trump: Healthcare bill will be revised to gain GOP support for Thursday vote
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gutter_trash
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Tax Credits are a scam; they defrenchise lower income earners, obviously
I'm going to tell amir0x you are getting people who dislike blacks elected again by criticizing Democrats who don't like black people.
LegendofJoe
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In a better world the GOP wouldn't be complete shit and someone sane and decent like Walter Jones would be the speaker of the house. Instead we have a delusional narcissist in the white house and a sociopath as speaker.
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None of this actually addresses cost. It just shifts how people pay/can afford to pay.
To be fair a lot of the ACA sucked at this too.
To be fair a lot of the ACA sucked at this too.
https://apnews.com/dcb04f7323af4e50aa72d57c38b59494/AP-Interview:-McConnell-warns-Republicans-on-health-bill?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP_Politics
Trump, McConnell, and Ryan putting pressure on Mark Meadows and the Freedom Caucus. This political gambit is a lose/lose for the GOP. If the bill fails, all their votes will be recorded and used against them in 2018. Depending on their district, some will be safe and some will get destroyed.
Trump, McConnell, and Ryan putting pressure on Mark Meadows and the Freedom Caucus. This political gambit is a lose/lose for the GOP. If the bill fails, all their votes will be recorded and used against them in 2018. Depending on their district, some will be safe and some will get destroyed.
A Serious Man
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This is shaping up to be quite a week for Trump. Wiretap claim shot down, Russian collusion investigation made public and now the prospect of failing his first major legislative test and creating a rift with his own party. He may even get tired of winning.
He had a good rally last night and the links are calling him.
Things are lookin up!
RumblingRosco
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I honestly see Trump strong-arming votes for this to pass on Thursday. He and his lackeys will push and threaten until they get their way, and a bunch of American taxpayers and mid-to-low-income families will pay the price.
rokkerkory
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Go ahead and pass this shit of a bill and let the trumpers feel it most. You reap what you sow.
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Even conservative pundits are like wtf why?
DrForester
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Pretty much. This is going to pass and millions will suffer.
R10Neymarfan
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He's made a deal with Pual Ryan. They have to go through with it
KernelPanic
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GOP aren't conservatives anymore. More like Grand Oligarchy Party now.
So... Politics as usual, then.
I would imagine Ryan and Trump are going to make whatever changes they need to make to ensure that this gets through the House, then tackle the dissenters in the Senate after it clears this hurdle.
That's when things will get interesting.
Strong arming with what, unless Trump is literally going to twist people's arms I don't see the GOP coming to some reasonable alternative considering how vague of a threat Trump has thrown out. The man seems committed for some reason without any real investiture in the decision making process. Fucking bizarre
Yep, they never were. None of this has anything to do with government spending. They're happy to spend as much as they need to so long as (a) most of that money is redirected to the top 1% and (b) the poor are further disenfranchised and de-educated, so that the GOP can keep offering them fake solutions and perpetuate the status quo.
Laevateinn
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So, they're just going to try to ram this through without giving anyone a chance to know what's in it? These fuckers need the Hoover Dam to power the amount of projection they do.
Arrogant Bastard
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The point is to say you did what you said you were going to do, regardless if it's shit.
Laevateinn
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You jest but that 35 % practically worships Trump and Republicans need every single one of them to vote to have any hope of maintaining their seats.
Right... well feel free to vote against or abstain when someone ins't a perfect candidate, as you have in the past. That worked out real well this election...
Meanwhile this country will veer super hard to the right on almost every issue fucking over hundreds of millions here and abroad. Minorities, kids in public schools, the poor, foreign countries, LGBT, those with bad health, (and more!), will all be fucked.
If I have to choose between that, and a democrat who voted for a bigot to lead the Justice Department (which was going to get in either way), to please his super white, mostly super racist constituency, I know which I'm going to choose.
OT: I wonder what the actual chances of this passing the house right now are. I would think decent, but I haven't been following republican representatives views on the matter all that much.
It makes his administration look ineffectual (which as we know, is quite the understatement) if this bill doesn't even get past the House. So of course he wants this bill to get through... It's an early watershed moment for his presidency.
This couldn't have come at a worse time for Trump, because right now he doesn't exactly have the political capital to demand that people vote with him... His polling was already dropping before yesterday. Interested to see where this goes.
BoogieWoogie
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Ridiculous.
Atomic Playboy
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100% of that 35% is the GOP base though. He tells them not to vote for Paul Ryan, guess who doesn't get reelected? The Republican voting base has gotten caught in a cult of personality for the most obvious conman since Nigel West Dickens; they won't hesitate to support Trump over whoever he happens to be feuding with.
Not really, that's how things normally get done... Perhaps not as brazenly, but this is how you get people in line.
It could even work, if he had any fucking credibility.
Blaming Obama is still fashionable. This will still be the viable thing for them to do come 2018 and 2020.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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wtf are top conservatives?
balladofwindfishes
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That hasn't been fashionable for 2 months. Obama isn't president anymore, blaming him doesn't work.
Blaming the past administration has never worked. It didn't even work for Obama and people still blamed Bush for the economy. But it was still Obama's fault because of reasons.
GoldenEye 007
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Republicans always fall in line.
KernelPanic
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You're in a post truth world now where Pizzagate, Chemtrails etc get far more believers than they should.
hydragonwarrior
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Yeah - if Cruz does, then what hope do the staunchest of conservatives have?
Despite our hope of discordance, we're always surprised time and again with how they come together. I really do hope that they don't but I'm not gonna be suprised if they do.
Damn liberal party is still disjoint between Bernie and Hill fans with no real positive liason happening between them atm, even when the fucking reason is right in front of them (Trump).
What planet are you on? This is still happening and plenty of people still nod in agreement.
Look, I get that it's popular to shit on the Democratic party right now, but this just isn't accurate.
The reason Ryan had to alter this bill in the first place is *because* the Freedom Caucus wasn't falling in line. The struggle for the heart of the Republican party is every bit as contentious, if not more so, than the Democrats right now.
And don't be so sure that, if the changes mentioned earlier are actually in the revised version of the bill, that this is going to get past the Senate... Where members were already on the fence because it phased out Medicare reimbursement in 2020. How are they going to feel when they read it's going to be phased out in 9 months?
Again, Trump just doesn't have the political capital to force this through both chambers right now. This may not even get through the House, though I agree with most that it probably is in light of the changes that were made.
LegendofJoe
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The changes that were made to the Medicaid proposal and the extra help for the 50-65 group will ensure this passes the House. It will be interesting (and terrible) to see what happens to the market with the mandate gone.
SoRuffShoNuff
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This is gonna pass, Republican discourse is just for show unlike democratic discourse which blows the party up completely.
smokeandmirrors
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Trump thinking he's LBJ with zero of the political capital and savvyness
I think it has more to do with the changes to Medicaid than anything else... At least as far as the Freedom Caucus is concerned.
That bit about the 50-65 group will help appease the Senate a bit, but the Medicaid cuts are probably too deep.
We'll see. Thursday should be interesting.
A Human Becoming
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I just don't see how this passes the Senate without major changes that would only maintain the status quo. The Republican trump card in the Senate are Democrats in states Trump won crossing the aisle. Senators in those states have no reason to support this bill because it hurts their constituents considerably. People like Susan Collins are not going to vote for this bill either because they actually care if it hurts people and others like Heller and Flake will not because they're vulnerable in 2018.
I can see House Republicans falling in line, but not Senate Republicans.
I can see House Republicans falling in line, but not Senate Republicans.
djplaeskool
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I still don't think this gets through the Senate.
I mean, these changes make nothing better, adds a vacuous lump slush fund with no controls on its usage, and accelerates the rate at which the capital drains toward the wealthiest.
I mean, these changes make nothing better, adds a vacuous lump slush fund with no controls on its usage, and accelerates the rate at which the capital drains toward the wealthiest.
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