So the training stuff downstairs was all off-limits, the only stuff on the floor they had access to seemed to be play rooms (and rooms for kids up to maybe age 5-7yo at most). There may have been additional rooms off to the side, but the game seemed to reinforce that the progression was downstairs and Ted had locked them out of it.
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Horizon Zero Dawn SPOILERS Thread
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So the training stuff downstairs was all off-limits, the only stuff on the floor they had access to seemed to be play rooms (and rooms for kids up to maybe age 5-7yo at most). There may have been additional rooms off to the side, but the game seemed to reinforce that the progression was downstairs and Ted had locked them out of it.
Hidden One
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Just finished the game. I'm at 90% gonna go back in and get the platinum eventually. Loved the story and I cannot wait for more DLC.
Mr_Antimatter
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Remember also that at least the Carja had rediscovered written word, and had access to at least some books. Hence why they have things like cloth, while the others only leather/rawhide.
As for metal working, they only seem to scavenge bot metal, and not mine/refine their own.
As for metal working, they only seem to scavenge bot metal, and not mine/refine their own.
Good point about the Carja and writing, thanks for that! You might also be right about the metal only being scavenged since there's no evidence of mining.
I love the Nora = NORAD idea.
Tal Shiar Agent
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I doubt that there is much left to mine.
Berserker976
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It seems like the Oseram rediscovered metalworking judging by their armor.
BibiMaghoo
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Just finished the game. Sorry if this has been answered but:
1) Why did the flowers pop up then? I never had an explanation for this
2) Why was she surrounded by the same pattern of flowers at the end when Aloy finds her.
1) Why did the flowers pop up then? I never had an explanation for this
2) Why was she surrounded by the same pattern of flowers at the end when Aloy finds her.
I thought so too, but going back and looking at the actual armour it looks like they could be using existing machine parts, sometimes modified slightly. If we're being generous
It's definitely in the lore of the game that the Oseram can metalwork, but the exact extent of that is unknown. I would assume that the machines are made of very strong metals that would require very high temperatures to work though, and that's not something you'd just stumble on...Having said that, the tribes have definitely rediscovered leather tanning, silk spinning (none of the machines have cloth components AFAICT) and a bunch of other technologies. So yeah, they clearly got that from somewhere. I'm not really sure books could explain it, as I doubt enough books would have survived the thousand year extinction.
But they have huge bellows and automatic hammering machines in their towns.I thought so too, but going back and looking at the actual armour it looks like they could be using existing machine parts, sometimes modified slightly. If we're being generous
Having said that, the tribes have definitely rediscovered leather tanning, silk spinning (none of the machines have cloth components AFAICT) and a bunch of other technologies. So yeah, they clearly got that from somewhere. I'm not really sure books could explain it, as I doubt enough books would have survived the thousand year extinction.
Unless I am really misremembering.
Several Oseram make comments about the fact that the Carja call themselves builders but its often the Oseram who do all the work. I believe this refers to both the slave labor from Oseram craftsman and the fact the Oseram seem to be the ones who are more skilled in stuff like forge work.
I assumed that Gaia placed them as a memorial to Elisabet, as she herself is treated as a metal flower in the final cinematic; another piece of poetry to cherish.
I haven't acquired all of them yet, but they all seem to be prose about nature.
Some actually have parts about humans. Some of them are rather beautiful and others very somber. I was wondering who wrote them.
Aaronology
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How would GAIA have spawned the flowers? DEMETER had control over plant life. The new growth might be DEMETER's way of expressing her awakened state, in a much less destructive and homicidal manner than HADES and HEPHAESTUS.
BibiMaghoo
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I did pick them all up and cash them in, but no further information was given. I wondered perhaps if it was explained in a data file I had missed.
But they only started appearing after GAIA was destroyed, so I'm not sure how she could be responsible for them in that way, and so long after Elisabets death. That doesn't add up to me.
The flowers seem to be a newer thing so perhaps they're a work of Demeter who maybe has her own cauldrons or machines or whatever. For all we know the other AI's might be working together to continue their work even without Gaia in full control and Hephaestus has Glinthawks drop them off.
Oh and I was wondering like what actual person at GG actually wrote them.
SolicitorPirate
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Oh! That not only makes sense, but would solve the mystery of the timelines for the flowers. If memory serves me right, the metal flowers are pointed out as being relatively new, which doesn't make sense since Gaia has been dead/offline for 19 years by time of HZD. But it works out if they are the work of Demeter or some other subordinate function.
In the final cutscene with Sylens talking to Hades after the credits, he says "We've still so much to discuss. You masters, for example. The ones that sent the signal that woke you". Sylens found the Hades core in a Faro machine I believe, but it sounds like this discovery happened after the rogue signal was sent.
There is a possibility Sylens may have accidentally triggered this to happen somehow in a ruin without knowing, but considering the game is using this scene to build up to the sequel/DLC expansion, it's heavily implied there's a larger force at play. Presumably a bigger villain to deal with in the next story.
TheSadRanger
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Hephaestus is only messing with ppl who are screwing up her work which is why the embrace was left alone for the most part after the derangement. The Nora believed in living in balance with the machines and nature.
The Carja and Oseraam got on her shit list by screwing with her operations too much. Overuse of agriculture, excessive hunting of machines.
Heph ain't playing with kid gloves like Gaia. Also there might be a limited time table for certain operations to continue to exist which is why Heph is making combat robots. The cauldrons are already starting to fall apart so it's possible she can't afford to lose much more. There might be a finite number left and she needs to protect the ones that are still out cleaning up.
It's possible that Gaia's sentimentality towards humans hindered her from making tough choices that the newly awakened AI's aren't afraid to commit to.
They're existing literary works
https://www.reddit.com/r/horizon/comments/5y1jat/spoiler_metal_flower_codetext/
HOLY SHIT I can't read this thread yet but I just got to Elisabet's Gaia presentation in Deep Secrets of the Earth and I'm struck by how similar this is to Nausicaa: Valley of the Wind. As a huge Miyazaki fan this is really fucking cool. The revelation that the machines are part of the restoration program that is healing the planet is a direct parallel to the Sea of Corruption in Nausicaa, a toxic forest and ecosystem bioengineered by ancient human beings to cleanse the planet following a nuclear apocalypse untold thousands of years in the past.
The similar themes were already there with the strong female protagnist and proto-future setting but the story beats a lining up perfectly. This is Nausicaa all the way. Such a unique take on it though...I love it!
The similar themes were already there with the strong female protagnist and proto-future setting but the story beats a lining up perfectly. This is Nausicaa all the way. Such a unique take on it though...I love it!
Woah holy shit! This is kind of big in a way no? I thought they were poems written "by" the machines or AIs but are actually a variety of poems from several differen eras and cultures. It basically means that somehow the old knowledge and history of man, or at least pieces of it, still exist out there in the world in some form. It seems not all the old world knowledge vanished with Apollo and what could be scrounged and salvaged from the ruins. This is obviously just poems in the metal flowers but that means whatever AI is behind them still has access to some of what was seemingly lost.
I wonder whether that's hinting that some of APOLLO survived?
Edit: going back in this thread people suggest that some of APOLLO survived Odyssey's destruction and was transmitted back to Earth, where it caused shenanigans (may have been responsible for liberating the AIs). Hmm.
I'm of the opinion that the US forces killed it just as the Scarab and Khopesh models that it dropped were slaughtering the command elements in the bunker.
SolicitorPirate
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Aloy is significantly more comfortable with violence than Nausicaa though. Like I get the similarities between the two, but I reckon both works would have ended up markedly different if their respective protagonists were replaced with the other.
At the very least, I can't imagine Nausicaa gutting Helis and taunting him to turn his face to the sun
Definitely. Aloy's a bit more of a sassy badass than Nausicaa. It's not like a direct parallel beat for beat but the influence is strong. Looking forward to finishing the story!
Elitist1945
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5Xx3MdqdgM&t=
The music in the beginning of the E3 2016 trailer...is it on the soundtrack? I want it.
The music in the beginning of the E3 2016 trailer...is it on the soundtrack? I want it.
I don't recall that exact song. There are some really good ones on there though.
WoolyNinja
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Just beat the main story line... wow, top tier game right there from beginning to end. Great job by Guerrilla Games!
As for pros and cons, pretty much everything is a pro - gameplay, story, graphics, sound, music. All amazing! The only con I have is I didn't like the text/audio log/hologram video dumps at the project sites. I felt like it slowed the pace down way too much. It says a lot about the story that I still wanted to read and listen to everything though.
Anyway, GG did such a great job with this unique story that I hope they don't do a sequel but instead make another new RPG-lite with a great original story.
EDIT: and then the after credits scene rolled and now I want a sequel
As for pros and cons, pretty much everything is a pro - gameplay, story, graphics, sound, music. All amazing! The only con I have is I didn't like the text/audio log/hologram video dumps at the project sites. I felt like it slowed the pace down way too much. It says a lot about the story that I still wanted to read and listen to everything though.
Anyway, GG did such a great job with this unique story that I hope they don't do a sequel but instead make another new RPG-lite with a great original story.
EDIT: and then the after credits scene rolled and now I want a sequel
Mr_Antimatter
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But do they mine/refine? And woudl they even need to? between the robots and literally billions of tons of steel and other metals left over from the past, it could be a long, long time before actual mining is even needed.
Only the nora are seemingly forbidden from doing any advanced metal work. They seemingly just attach bits and peices of pre-refined metal to their weapons.
Interestingly, the Nora have no cloth, but seem to posses advances leatherworking, so presumably they rediscovered tanning. Despite, well, no cows or deer or other large game. aAkes me wonder if that's all boarskin they are wearing.
Or more then likely, the game just doesn't have cows/deer for gameplay purposes.
falconxcrunner09
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Just finished the game. Wowowowow this game was fantastic. The overall ending was too short and quick. Didn't feel like I had any real closure with Aloy's character. I was kinda hoping for Elizabeth to be in cryo sleep or something in the suit and waiting to be awoken by her DNA copy. But that scene in particular was very nice. Fuck and Sylens at the end, saw it coming. Who is he referring to as the people who awoke Hades with a signal or something?
I loved how Guerilla actually told the story of how the world fell and there was a huge story of the humans doing something to prevent the human race from being extinct. Most stories don't touch upon how their worlds end and it's really stupid. At least for this game, its pretty damn creative imo. Also, Apollo being deleted? God. Damn. I was not expecting that at all. That's crazy to think everything is lost and everything achievement wise was erased.
Back to the beginning of the game, I was not fond of how it started. Specifically the introduction to the machines. It bothered me that Rost never told Aloy how dangerous they arw when she was a kid. These things look and act incredibly menacing, but the game doesn't really introduce them in that way.
Anyways, I'm working towards the platinum now. Is there a good place to catch up on the lore? As amazing as it is, I want to make sure I read it all.
I loved how Guerilla actually told the story of how the world fell and there was a huge story of the humans doing something to prevent the human race from being extinct. Most stories don't touch upon how their worlds end and it's really stupid. At least for this game, its pretty damn creative imo. Also, Apollo being deleted? God. Damn. I was not expecting that at all. That's crazy to think everything is lost and everything achievement wise was erased.
Back to the beginning of the game, I was not fond of how it started. Specifically the introduction to the machines. It bothered me that Rost never told Aloy how dangerous they arw when she was a kid. These things look and act incredibly menacing, but the game doesn't really introduce them in that way.
Anyways, I'm working towards the platinum now. Is there a good place to catch up on the lore? As amazing as it is, I want to make sure I read it all.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Aloy specifically mentions she tanned her hide well if you go swimming. It's all boar because there aren't any other animals on the Earth besides those in game. The new humans were supposed to reintroduce new species themselves over time, the ones out were just the bare minimum for a sustainable biosphere. Ted destroying Apollo basically condemned thousands of species to permanent extinction unless Aloy can manually reintroduce species herself at some point.
Berserker976
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If Aloy rebuilds GAIA I think it would make sense that she'd get pretty well acquainted with her subsystems (If she can find them all!) which presumably would include ARTEMIS, so there may be hope for animal life yet.
Also keep in mind that we've only seen a very limited section of the revived biosphere, it's entirely possible that there are different kinds of animals elsewhere in the world.
FeenixRising
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Just finished the game, I can finally discuss in this thread now
They already laid the groundwork for the sequel (or DLC) and my skin just paled at the thought of having to take those metal titan devil things down
They already laid the groundwork for the sequel (or DLC) and my skin just paled at the thought of having to take those metal titan devil things down
STILLethal
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I don't think Ive ever wanted to know more on what happens next in a game as I do with Horizon. Just give me more as soon as possible GG pls i need to knowww what happens naaaaaoooo
The idea I believe, is that given there were hundreds of thousands of the robots globally, some were still viable.
This isn't stated explicitly but implicitly.
Note:
We see broken robots beyond repair thus we know many really are out of commission
We know they were just "shut down" thus it seems fair any still viable could be deactivated with another signal
HADES uses same transmitters that shut them down thus would definitely have access to right codes/frequencies
The robots can self repair and replicate: thus even if only a few remained viable that would be enough for a start
That said you're right there is also some classic character relevance and narrative progression at play too (and maybe a few consistency issues):
The robots we see awakening look identical to those we see Eclipse gain access to from the Horus and other sites: can't they self replicate/repair? Why not just use those since HADES already gains control of them? (Could be argued gaining access to more quickly via transmitter would speed things up for HADES)
Everything happens convieniently close to GAIA prime and Aloy: we only see robots awaken there and threaten that region (to be fair this is classic relevance but clearly if only a few deactivated robots were viable they could have been outside known territory)
I guess overall it makes sense as a plan in context and of course it has to all take place in the one (large) location the game is set in. Making it turn out core bunkers are there does go s long way up making it credible from a relevance point of view.
I'd have liked the awakening robots to be clearly new model and it noted the deathbringers and other robots already secured by Eclipse lack the crucial bio harvesting and replication capability to really make it obvious why HADES had to go for the transmitter.
A little foreshadowing some of the bio-harvesting robots could remain cable would have been nice too.
That said the fact we see viable robots bring secured from the Horus site dies in effect demonstrate this it just doesn't clarify if they an bio-harvest or not.
They werent. They got just basic education because Apollo was offline and thus couldnt move on to higher education. Hence the reason why there are tribes in the game.
Blackthorn
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HADES didn't have any indirect means of awakening Faro robots until he attempted to activate the tower at the end. That's why he had Shadow Carja digging them up.
The deathbringers and corruptors couldn't self replicate. Only the Horus units could do that. Thats why Hades needed to broadcast the resurect signal. It was trying to awaken the deactivated Horus units. If even one of those were reactivated it would have been enough to kickstart another apocalypse.
Concerning the flowers with poetry in them, I think it's part of a subroutine from DEMETER that was supposed to work with APOLLO. When APOLLO was described, a part of the learning was supposed to be done throught gamification. Having to collect the flowers of knowledge could be a way to push humans to discover their culture. So maybe a selection of literary texts were stocked in DEMETER database in order to create them before the activation of APPOLO. But as Ted doom bringer Faro destroyed APPOLO, these flowers never fulfilled their prupose.
For the flower around Elisabet I think it's a tribute, a memorial from GAIA. Every part is autonom but GAIA has at least a monitoring access to everything (without thzt she couldn't know that the teraforming is working or not). So she would be able to have her own subroutine that would be able to replicate the flowers patern. Crating a landmark for future generations showing the woman who saved the Humanity.
Do you think that since Ted doom bringer Faro had his own bunker (named Thebes) he went for a way to extend his life. Like cloning himself and raising him?
For the flower around Elisabet I think it's a tribute, a memorial from GAIA. Every part is autonom but GAIA has at least a monitoring access to everything (without thzt she couldn't know that the teraforming is working or not). So she would be able to have her own subroutine that would be able to replicate the flowers patern. Crating a landmark for future generations showing the woman who saved the Humanity.
Do you think that since Ted doom bringer Faro had his own bunker (named Thebes) he went for a way to extend his life. Like cloning himself and raising him?
Ted is such a flawed man that I would not put anything past him. I think he deserves his own thread to discuss what a shithead he is.
I can only imagine what a hundred generations of Ted raised by Ted would be like. I imagine Dennis from Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia taken to whole new extremes.
H.Cornerstone
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That's the best description I've heard of Ted GoneTooFaro I've seen.
Tal Shiar Agent
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I want Ted to be alive just so I can kill him.
I want to stick him in the Sun Ring with a couple Ravagers.
MegaSackman
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Ted is thread worthy, no doubt. I'm pretty sure there must be people that agreed to the Apollo thing.
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