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CNN: Trump associates may have coordinated with Russians
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Why do we have this thread every other day?
I swear I have seen a thousand of these Trump/Russians collusion threads.
Do we really need everyone and his dog speculating about this?
Either say he DID or he DIDN'T.
All this stupid speculating is pointless.
This is the definition of thread whining.
Hmm. I wonder who it is.
My guess is that McCain is the source.
I keep wanting to hope that McCain is going to do the right thing here. I haven't allowed myself to do it yet, though.
He seems content to distance the party from Trump slowly right now. As if he'd like to see Trump go, but with as minimal Democratic gains as possible.
CopperPuppy
Member
How long till we get a tearful Fox News tour explaining how they had to work with Russia to save the world from liberals
They already duped his supporters into thinking cooperation with Russia was necessary to "beat terrorism." I don't think they're beneath extending the definition of an acceptable foe to Clinton.
They need to make sure to tie Pence to this mess too. He's going to try his best to position himself so he can take over.
I would think that if Trump goes down, Pence would be seen as tainted even if there is no direct evidence against him. It would probably be Ryan taking over.
They already duped his supporters into thinking cooperation with Russia was necessary to "beat terrorism." I don't think they're beneath extending the definition of an acceptable foe to Clinton.
I'd say this is the long game for Putin in the US at least. Paint enemies in the middle east and cooperate with the current US forces to have US officials and population sympathetic to Russian causes and interests.
At this point, who cares? It's been pretty much the same exact headline for months now. Nothing has changed, business as usual.
Come the fuck on.
At this point, who cares? It's been pretty much the same exact headline for months now. Nothing has changed, business as usual.
Maybe you should do some reading. It all looks the same if you don't look I guess.
KoopaTheCasual
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Can we prohibit any and all "who cares?! nothing will change!" posts from these threads, moving forward?At this point, who cares? It's been pretty much the same exact headline for months now. Nothing has changed, business as usual.
They're shitty, clog up the forum, and stifle discussion.
At this point, who cares? It's been pretty much the same exact headline for months now. Nothing has changed, business as usual.
There's actually never been a headline that claimed US law enforcement officials were in possession of evidence that suggest collusion between Trump and Russians.
Ninja Scooter
Member
At this point, who cares? It's been pretty much the same exact headline for months now. Nothing has changed, business as usual...the sky is falling, the sky is falling.
If you don't care then GTFO of the thread.
BronsonLee
Member
At this point, who cares? It's been pretty much the same exact headline for months now. Nothing has changed, business as usual...the sky is falling, the sky is falling.
Hey guess what, guess what
That's cause you're a dumbass and haven't noticed everyone getting fired
gutter_trash
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LOL at the ''who cares'' people
this is the biggest story of the 21st Century
and when it blows up, it will be historical. Trump is a walking History record book changer
this is the biggest story of the 21st Century
and when it blows up, it will be historical. Trump is a walking History record book changer
At this point, who cares? It's been pretty much the same exact headline for months now. Nothing has changed, business as usual...the sky is falling, the sky is falling.
lol, you do realize this shows how little attention you're paying right? Just....go away.
NoFaceNico
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I would think that if Trump goes down, Pence would be seen as tainted even if there is no direct evidence against him. It would probably be Ryan taking over.
This is a horrible way of thinking and it completely delegitimizes the investigative work being done. EVERYTHING should come down to the evidence. The moment you start advocating guilt by association you're no better at seeking the truth and justice than they are.
I know a lot of people here don't like Pence and I don't agree with his wacky ass ultra conservative views either. But I haven't heard of any evidence implicating him in what we're taking about here. When's the last time we even heard from him? It is very possible that he had nothing to do with Trump's dealings. Everyone was always saying he was just a ruse to calm down mainstream conservatives and maybe that's all he's ever been. With all the leaks I would imagine if there was a smoking gun pointing to him it would be out there by now.
I know you guys don't like him but you have the wrong motivations if you're actively trying to find a way to ensnare him in all this rather than letting the evidence lead the way.
I would think that if Trump goes down, Pence would be seen as tainted even if there is no direct evidence against him. It would probably be Ryan taking over.
I could see Pence stepping down in the event he is not implicated, laying low for a couple years, then going on a redemption tour. It's the only way he could remain politically viable in any form. He'd paint himself as a victim.
Either way I think he's out with Trump.
C'mon bro. This shit is like high tier trolling at this point.At this point, who cares? It's been pretty much the same exact headline for months now. Nothing has changed, business as usual.
The FBI is investigating, for fucks sake. This is not "nothing has changed".
LOL at the ''who cares'' people
this is the biggest story of the 21st Century
and when it blows up, it will be historical. Trump is a walking History record book changer
If it's true. And can be proven.
I'm trying to keep from getting too excited.
At this point, who cares? It's been pretty much the same exact headline for months now. Nothing has changed, business as usual...the sky is falling, the sky is falling.
You came into a thread and asked "who cares?" I'm guessing you care enough for the snarky comment. Lets not even get into the fact that major news networks are carrying this story and that this thread is nearly 20 pages long in less than a day. I'm guessing people still care, you included.
gutter_trash
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Reince Priebus' job is to shelter Mike Pence from Trump's fuckery for the day when that day comes
fredrancour
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At this point, who cares? It's been pretty much the same exact headline for months now. Nothing has changed, business as usual...the sky is falling, the sky is falling.
if you aren't gonna pay attention to what's happened, at least do everyone the courtesy of not shitting up conversations. stuff's been happening at a phenomenally fast rate by the standards of politics.
I could see Pence stepping down in the event he is not implicated, laying low for a couple years, then going on a redemption tour. It's the only way he could remain politically viable in any form. He'd paint himself as a victim.
Either way I think he's out with Trump.
I wouldn't mind seeing Pence as the Prez, unless the other option is "redo the election". He has no buzz or popularity on either side of the aisle and is a dead man walking for 2020.
Tranqueris
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Maybe you should do some reading. It all looks the same if you don't look I guess.
What? All Presidents have to deal with the FBI and Congress investigating the fuck out of them and their associates. Business as usual! Comey went out there and told everyone that Trump's people are being full on investigated and people still wanna act there's no progress being made on this.
Anyone see Roger Stone's letter to Jake Tapper?He WANTS to testify:
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/844883029654949888
"Bitch I told you, excuse me, Congresswoman DUMB BITCH, I told you I didn't do a damn thing wrong, man Assange is gonna laugh when I tell him about this one, err wait, fuck."
This is a horrible way of thinking and it completely delegitimizes the investigative work being done. EVERYTHING should come down to the evidence. The moment you start advocating guilt by association you're no better at seeking the truth and justice than they are.
I know a lot of people here don't like Pence and I don't agree with his wacky ass ultra conservative views either. But I haven't heard of any evidence implicating him in what we're taking about here. When's the last time we even heard from him? It is very possible that he had nothing to do with Trump's dealings. Everyone was always saying he was just a ruse to calm down mainstream conservatives and maybe that's all he's ever been. With all the leaks I would imagine if there was a smoking gun pointing to him it would be out there by now.
I know you guys don't like him but you have the wrong motivations if you're actively trying to find a way to ensnare him in all this rather than letting the evidence lead the way.
He was floated by Manafort, IMO, that basically makes him guilty by association as a Russian plant, even if he didn't know he was.
How is it possible that there isn't some way to suspend Trump since he is under investigation? If it turns out he coordinated with Russia, doesn't that make his presidency and every decision that was made illegitimate?
If a cop is under investigation they usually get paid administrative leave. Why isn't there something like that for government officials?
If a cop is under investigation they usually get paid administrative leave. Why isn't there something like that for government officials?
LOL at the ''who cares'' people
this is the biggest story of the 21st Century
and when it blows up, it will be historical. Trump is a walking History record book changer
It's hard to process this. Honestly. That's why there's so much who cares. We live in a instant gratification culture.
gutter_trash
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this is a case where the US would have been better served under a Parliamentary system like the UK and Canada where Representatives could easily oust the Prime Minister by kicking him out of the party
Imp. Peach. Mint. Earing. ?
Impeachment Hearing. Could have also went with a picture of a herring but that would not have been as obvious.
LOL at the ''who cares'' people
this is the biggest story of the 21st Century
and when it blows up, it will be historical. Trump is a walking History record book changer
Maybe he wanted to be the most famous president in US history. He might get his wish.
NoFaceNico
Member
He was floated by Manafort, IMO, that basically makes him guilty by association as a Russian plant, even if he didn't know he was.
Are you actually doubling down on guilt by association? Do you think that's the proper way for any society to dispense justice? It's a terrifying way of thinking that because one side is shitting on the rule book then we should do the same. Using these tactics doesn't make a stronger case, it only further weakens the system.
Solid SOAP
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This too. It is huge, but every day there's some "bombshell" reveal, so like I won't be phased until there's legit proof.It's hard to process this. Honestly. That's why there's so much who cares. We live in a instant gratification culture.
LOL at the ''who cares'' people
this is the biggest story of the 21st Century
and when it blows up, it will be historical. Trump is a walking History record book changer
If the evidence ends up materializing into fact (Trump/co. collluded with Russia in ANY way), this will dwarf all other modern U.S scandals.
Americans seem defeatist if they feel they have to put up with Pence or even Ryan for that matter if shit hits the fine. The entire election would be tainted and although there is no recourse in this situation, something would have to be done. If Americans voted on a tainted ballot, the next step down from the same party shouldn't be tolerated.
This is coming from a Canadian democratic perspective. We would certainly not tolerate any entire party if they were up to this level of shenanigans.
This is coming from a Canadian democratic perspective. We would certainly not tolerate any entire party if they were up to this level of shenanigans.
Host Samurai
Member
I believe Pence should leave as well, even if he wasn't directly involved. Pence defending a traitor should be enough for him to be forced out. Possibly Ryan too, but I would rather have a corporatist than a religious zealot that would remove science being taught in schools. Best case scenario is that Ryan is president and Dems gain seats back in 2018, limiting power of the president before
taking the seat in 2020.
Bernie
This is a horrible way of thinking and it completely delegitimizes the investigative work being done. EVERYTHING should come down to the evidence. The moment you start advocating guilt by association you're no better at seeking the truth and justice than they are.
I know a lot of people here don't like Pence and I don't agree with his wacky ass ultra conservative views either. But I haven't heard of any evidence implicating him in what we're taking about here. When's the last time we even heard from him? It is very possible that he had nothing to do with Trump's dealings. Everyone was always saying he was just a ruse to calm down mainstream conservatives and maybe that's all he's ever been. With all the leaks I would imagine if there was a smoking gun pointing to him it would be out there by now.
I know you guys don't like him but you have the wrong motivations if you're actively trying to find a way to ensnare him in all this rather than letting the evidence lead the way.
I wasn't advocating anything, I'm not sure how you got that from what I said. My point was that this is a massive investigation touching many involved in Trump's campaign and cabinet. If it came to pass that the president is impeached and others go down with him, it's seems unlikely that Pence would be able to stay in his position or takeover as president due to the cloud over the entire administration. I'm not saying he would be guilty or implicated of anything, I just don't think Congress or the public would consider it proper for him to be president under the circumstances.
At this point, who cares? It's been pretty much the same exact headline for months now. Nothing has changed, business as usual...the sky is falling, the sky is falling.
I imagine if there were forums back in the 70s you'd have similar posts.
"It's always watergate this, watergate that. The sky is falling! Wah wah! Enough with the watergate already, business as usual"
Of course I could be wrong. However, I wonder what scandal and "this will surely ruin him" discussion will be going on when he's running for re-election in 4 years?I imagine if there were forums back in the 70s you'd have similar posts.
"It's always watergate this, watergate that. The sky is falling! Wah wah! Enough with the watergate already, business as usual"
Felix Lighter
Member
Americans seem defeatist if they feel they have to put up with Pence or even Ryan for that matter if shit hits the fine. The entire election would be tainted and although there is no recourse in this situation, something would have to be done. If Americans voted on a tainted ballot, the next step down from the same party shouldn't be tolerated.
This is coming from a Canadian democratic perspective. We would certainly not tolerate any entire party if they were up to this level of shenanigans.
There is no mechanism in place to force a new election and I don't think anything short of a Constitutional Amendment would be able to create that mechanism. In ideal circumstances, amending the Constitution is a monumental task. In this political climate, it seems near impossible. If all the stars aligned and we were able to amend the constitution, it would still take more time than this single presidential term.
minor effort
Banned
Of course I could be wrong. However, I wonder what scandal and "this will surely ruin him" discussion will be going on when he's running for re-election in 4 years?
I think you're already wrong. Again, it bears repeating that we're just over two months into a Trump presidency and we've already had his natsec advisor resigning, his AG recusing himself, and the FBI confirming his campaign is under investigation. Two months. As others had pointed out, this is moving astonishingly quickly.
gutter_trash
Banned
Americans seem defeatist if they feel they have to put up with Pence or even Ryan for that matter if shit hits the fine. The entire election would be tainted and although there is no recourse in this situation, something would have to be done. If Americans voted on a tainted ballot, the next step down from the same party shouldn't be tolerated.
This is coming from a Canadian democratic perspective. We would certainly not tolerate any entire party if they were up to this level of shenanigans.
you got to look at this also from an International and Foreign Affairs point of view.
Trump is colluding with an historical enemy that also undermines links with historical and current allies.
if you want to talk Canadian; at least both the Conservatives (CPC) and the Liberals (LPC) are on the same page on NATO and being wearing about Russia
BlastProcessing
Member
This is a horrible way of thinking and it completely delegitimizes the investigative work being done. EVERYTHING should come down to the evidence. The moment you start advocating guilt by association you're no better at seeking the truth and justice than they are.
I know a lot of people here don't like Pence and I don't agree with his wacky ass ultra conservative views either. But I haven't heard of any evidence implicating him in what we're taking about here. When's the last time we even heard from him? It is very possible that he had nothing to do with Trump's dealings. Everyone was always saying he was just a ruse to calm down mainstream conservatives and maybe that's all he's ever been. With all the leaks I would imagine if there was a smoking gun pointing to him it would be out there by now.
I know you guys don't like him but you have the wrong motivations if you're actively trying to find a way to ensnare him in all this rather than letting the evidence lead the way.
Pence would be seen as tainted. If for no other reason than for the fact that the rumors from the campaign indicated that Pence was Manafort's strong preference and that Manafort went as far as to invent an airplane malfunction to force Trump to meet with Pence.
The walls are closing in on Manafort pretty fast and his influence on Trump's choice of VP is something that casts a large shadow over Pence. Also Pence has a close relationship with Betsy Devos, who is also caught up in the odd Trump Tower/Alfa Bank server mystery. . So that would be two questionable connections to Pence.
Pence would be seen as tainted. If for no other reason than for the fact that the rumors from the campaign indicated that Pence was Manafort's strong preference and that Manafort went as far as to invent an airplane malfunction to force Trump to meet with Pence.
The walls are closing in on Manafort pretty fast and his influence on Trump's choice of VP is something that casts a large shadow over Pence. Also Pence has a close relationship with Betsy Devos, who is also caught up in the odd Trump Tower/Alfa Bank server mystery. . So that would be two questionable connections to Pence.
Manfort is proper fucked I think.
I just hope they have something that shows Trump was aware of what he was doing. Otherwise I think it would be fairly easy for teflon don to spin him off as a rouge.
Pence would be seen as tainted. If for no other reason than for the fact that the rumors from the campaign indicated that Pence was Manafort's strong preference and that Manafort went as far as to invent an airplane malfunction to force Trump to meet with Pence.
The walls are closing in on Manafort pretty fast and his influence on Trump's choice of VP is something that casts a large shadow over Pence. Also Pence has a close relationship with Betsy Devos, who is also caught up in the odd Trump Tower/Alfa Bank server mystery. . So that would be two questionable connections to Pence.
Nixon brought in Ford because his own VP was tainted
Trump might bring in someone from outside his circle as VP if he's gonna be impeached
and to troll us all it'll be Sean Hannity
Nixon brought in Ford because his own VP was tainted
Trump might bring in someone from outside his circle as VP if he's gonna be impeached
and to troll us all it'll be Sean Hannity
Or Alex Jones.
Manfort is proper fucked I think.
And he knows it. He's hired a crisis communication firm to speak on his behalf.
The Silver
Member
I honestly don't think Trump himself will go down, the people around him will continue to fall but their won't be that hard evidence linking back to Trump himself. Of course this relies on Trump's goons not being stupid enough that they did whatever they did without enough degrees of separation from Trump, which looking at them so far isn't outside the realm of possibility.
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