It's still shitty writing but I suppose you take what you can get at this point.
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Mass Effect: Andromeda releases Patch 1.05 Thursday, details more changes for future
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prag16
Banned
They totally redid the facial animations around that line, which I didn't expect. If they removed the line, I would riot. It is an instant classic.
captainnapalm
Member
Have they changed default Scott Ryder's eyes at all?
Garrett Hawke
Member
that wizard came from the moon
wesleyshark
Banned
200% differenceThe Addison "my face is tired" scene is completely different. A lot of the dialogue has been cut and rearranged in addition to the improved animation.
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The Dutch Slayer
Member
Yeah I'll wait another 6 months or so good first step.
But the overall story will not get fixed off course
But the overall story will not get fixed off course
prag16
Banned
Yeah I'll wait another 6 months or so good first step.
But the overall story will not get fixed off course
Far from everybody agrees the "overall story" is bad. A lot of people are praising the characters and story even if some of the line by line dialogue is spotty.
Also, I haven't gotten there yet, but there has been a lot of praise in the OT and community thread for the endgame (both story and gameplay wise).
Freeman76
Member
Yes, huge improvement
They didn't say everybody disliked the story. I agree with them, I thought the story was very weak and boring.
The Addison "my face is tired" scene is completely different. A lot of the dialogue has been cut and rearranged in addition to the improved animation.
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Holy shit, when you see it in motion it's a massive change
thank god they did something about that creeper
edit - she also doesn't look like she got blasted with homer's makeup gun
Orthogonal
Member
The Addison "my face is tired" scene is completely different. A lot of the dialogue has been cut and rearranged in addition to the improved animation.
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Massive improvement. Good work. I imagine they put a lot of time into this particular scene since it was both figuratively and literally the face of controversies, but it shows a glimpse of what the game could have looked like if they just took a little more time on it. I am sure there are other animation improvements elseshere, but I think they wanted to nail this one in particular. Had it looked like this from the beginning it eould have barely registered as something to nit-pick. Hope EA learns the right lessons from all of this.
DeaDPo0L84
Member
Post like these are the equivalent of standing outside a movie theater and as people walk out after a movie ends and they are discussing it you yell "hey guys, just wanna let ya know I'm gonna watch that movie in a few months on bluray". Then they look at you odd trying to figure out why it was necessary you felt they needed to know that information.
captainnapalm
Member
Score.
Pilgrimzero
Member
I take it to mean either:
"Its been a long day and my whole body is tired"
or
"I've had to smile and keep up a positive attitude for so long my face is tired."
GavinUK86
Member
I always took it as the second one. She's not a politician and she hates acting like one and putting on a fake smile to everyone aboard the Nexus. Still shitty writing. Glad the animations are better and everyone's eyes are improved. The asari look better now too.
InsaneTiger
Member
Fixing the eyes fixes a lot of the issues with the faces.
captainnapalm
Member
I hope some enterprising poster or journalist does a real comprehensive list of changes, cosmetic or otherwise.
Mechanized
Member
Why did they keep the face is tired line? It's still so bad. It could work if they changed the emphasis/intonation. "My... face, is tired... of dealing with all... this."
Sanctuary
Member
Glad I waited to play. I've actually had it installed since launch day, but figured with all of the negative feedback, there would be at least one good patch within a month. I may wait until the second and third, depending on what they are. The first screenshot in the OP isn't a night and day difference, but it is a nice improvement. Especially with the toning down of the clown makeup. This isn't the 80s anymore, unless they were going specifically for a retro look.
prag16
Banned
They kept it because it's fucking epic, and it's in the hall of fame.
That phrase may leak into my everyday vernacular.
This is actually more jarring than pretty much any of the other cosmetic complaints people have, for me. Cora's loyalty mission where you have a few of them in the room at a time, and again on the Nexus afterward; that's where it really was the most noticeable.
The Addison "my face is tired" scene is completely different. A lot of the dialogue has been cut and rearranged in addition to the improved animation.
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Fuck my face the difference is amazing! She reminds me of Captain Marvel! Nice!
I remember a conversation just before that there was a line that was something like "It must be good to see some familiar faces." I feel like it was trying to be a reference to that. My theory is that her conversation was really cut up from something else, because the VA on it is really weird too in a way unlike even the rest of her not-great voice work.
I think I read somewhere that it's a French idiom that is natural in French, but comes off (obviously) awkward in English. But I'm not sure if that's true or not.
semiconscious
Member
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yeah, sorry, but stuff like this had nothing to do with 'ea rush job', & everything to do with people who simply weren't proficient with the development tools. incredible/inexcusable that this obviously straight-forward 'fix' wasn't done prior to release. this's all on bioware, not ea...
Sephiroth503
Member
Good work Bioware. Solid progress being made here.
Fun fact, if you do that mission now, it has a chance to default back to the dinklebot voice for a moment and say that line before clearing its throat and going back to northbot.
Bungo really are great with Easter Eggs.
It's to make you feel worse.
Did it work?
EDIT: And that's a bad analogy.
It would be more like you went to go see the new Transformers movie , paid full price and instead of the VFX you thought you were going to see you saw a guy in a ball suit in front a green screen and then a few months later I went to go see it at the $2 theater with all the VFX.
Be mad at EA, not me.
Spartancarver
Member
Mmm no, as far as I know, movies don't release to theaters unfinished and then come to Blu Ray with the final VFX in place.
As for why it was posted in this thread, this thread is a discussion about the patch and future patches.
Maybe don't be so sensitive.
Exactly what I was thinking of but didn't want to spoil. They did such a disservice to the Asari this game.
I just want to see, during the finale:
Ryder and his squad right before they fight the Archon. Ryder makes a big declaration but his squad mates don't emote and makes it totally awkward.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Some things:
1) The publisher holds all of the power for when a game is released. They work with the developer to define the schedule, the budget, the focus, and the manpower involved, but the final say is on the publisher.
2) All animations through development start with static characters, then dialogue automation is thrown on, placeholder idle animations next, then the animators go in based on schedule and importance and do passes on each scene. Based on the budget/schedule, more time can be spent on certain scenes. They are likely done in passes - automated, scene pickups for necessary bespoke animations, then fully bespoke. This scene was likely passed over as a lesser-important scene, so it was stuck with just a layered idle on automated lip flap. When it blew up as a meme, it was likely handed to an animator to do the whole thing bespoke. The timing on the head movements and the hand raising to the face are unlikely to be from any other conversation. What you got here was a workload triage.
3) Since EA does tons of internal testing, they knew the quality going in. It wasn't Bioware unfamiliar with the tools, it was time/money to go in and do another pass on this specific conversation. I guarantee there are literally hundreds of other conversations that still look like the pre-patch version of this one, but no one memed them up, so Bioware didn't focus on fixing them.
This is a time/money/focus issue.
dr_rus
Member
Lots of speculation from everyone.
SmackAttack
Member
Could not breathe the first time I saw this and it still gets me. Such an inconsistent game.
ScientificPizza
Banned
wow that's an insane differenceThe Addison "my face is tired" scene is completely different. A lot of the dialogue has been cut and rearranged in addition to the improved animation.
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Post patch:
What a difference. So glad I held off playing the campaign.The Addison "my face is tired" scene is completely different. A lot of the dialogue has been cut and rearranged in addition to the improved animation.
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Wonder what this will look like on Scorpio fully patched. Hmmmm.
Slackbladder
Member
I wonder if the Heleus Armour model has been fixed? With a male Ryder and not wearing a helmet there's a really nasty bit of glitching where his neck comes through the armour when he turns his head.
i second this, i had a stable 60 everywhere, not the framerate bounces between 60 and 50, ugh
StrongBelwas
Banned
So I don't know how far into the game I am, I finished the first planet, not the one from the intro to the game. and visited a second planet, so I'm guessing not far, but I think I'm gonna abandon my game, its a shame because despite the flaws I was enjoying the game a lot, but I don't want to finish it knowing im playing an inferior version with them rolling out updates over the next couple of months.
base shagohod
Member
Haha! There was more emotion during movie night, either in the joke or serious option.