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[Kill Your Masters]

Not just Seoul, Tokyo too. Whilst NK doesn't really have the weapons to cause harm to America, it can pretty much send everything it does have towards those two cities. I think Seoul is only 35 miles away from the border.

It's a really delicate situation and i can see how previous presidents/monarchies/prime ministers have left it to fester. China is the key here really.

And this is a huge problem for everyone not living in the US. But the US simply doesn't care as they are not directly affected.

Apparently the rest of us are just fridges to some American kiddies playing too much call of duty. One of those now sits in the White House.

 

[norm9]

When my fridge acts up I pay someone to fix it, doesn't require me to know the first thing about refrigerator repair. This thought that in order to want military action you must provide a detailed plan and course of action is absolutely absurd.

We elect/promote people to do that for us. Now my opinion is they need to get to it.

What?! That's some kill them all let god sort them out shit. Truly an American viewpoint.

 

[RumblingRosco]

And this is a huge problem for everyone not living in the US. But the US simply doesn't care as they are not directly affected.

Apparently the rest of us are just fridges to some American kiddies playing too much call of duty. One of those now sits in the White House.

I'd argue that the US does care about the neighboring countries, but at the end of the day, we didn't want to get involved until it got to a point that we might be directly harmed i.e., NK can hit California or Hawaii with an ICBM. It seems like the prevailing concern is that NK is getting close to that point, so now it feels like the US wants to act. Not acting before this point may have been a sign of hopefulness that NK would chill the fuck out or that China would step in, but since neither of those things happened, it has given the US a sense of "well, it's now or never."

Not justifying any of this by the way, just trying to explain how I think things played out.

 

[jakonovski]

What I'd like to know if all these people on Gaf were Trump supporters all the time, or if it was the idea of bombing campaigns that warmed them up to him.

 

[immortald3ath]

What I'd like to know if all these people on Gaf were Trump supporters all the time, or if it was the idea of bombing campaigns that warmed them up to him.

Bombing. The American Spirit.

 

[jm89]

You do realize there wouldn't be an actual boots on the ground war, right? It would be a swift and total decapitation of NK through the air, and would likely only take a matter of hours. Some folks don't seem to realize there would not be "war" with NK as it would risk to neighboring countries would be to great.

You forget the /s after your post

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I think North Korea will delay as long as they can.

I don't think they will do a test this weekend after all.

 

[SoRuffShoNuff]

What?! That's some kill them all let god sort them out shit. Truly an American viewpoint.

No its some I'm not an army general so don't ask me for a detailed war plan shit.

 

[Regulus Tera]

If NK gets nukes just give nukes to Japan and SK and call it a day. No one will attack anyone then.

Why are people still implying that North Korea doesn't have nukes already?

 

[brian577]

I think North Korea will delay as long as they can.

I don't think they will do a test this weekend after all.

Thinking the same thing. Probably hold off until tensions have calmed. Might even wait until Trump's upcoming visit to China.

 

[Leona Lewis]

Why are people still implying that North Korea doesn't have nukes already?

I think he means nukes that could reach the US.

 

[Regulus Tera]

I think he means nukes that could reach the US.

He mentions Japan and South Korea. The US doesn't need to hand out nukes to them in order to retaliate againsr Pyongyang

 

[hobblygobbly]

You do realize there wouldn't be an actual boots on the ground war, right? It would be a swift and total decapitation of NK through the air, and would likely only take a matter of hours. Some folks don't seem to realize there would not be "war" with NK as it would risk to neighboring countries would be to great.

It is more complicated than that, you need to occupy a country in war, you can't just KO current NK government and then that's that.

There is no way you can eliminate and force NK command into surrender through air at all, you will need to hold and control territory, war hasn't changed in that regard.

You then need a provisional government as well.

Occupation would most likely be led by South Korea, with U.S assistance. Nonetheless you will need boots on the ground in the end any ways.

Occupation will be difficult due to the indoctrination in the populace as well.

 

[EatinOlives]

What I'd like to know if all these people on Gaf were Trump supporters all the time, or if it was the idea of bombing campaigns that warmed them up to him.

Yeah for real.

Wtf are people saying in here...

 

[Regulus Tera]

It is more complicated than that, you need to occupy a country in war, you can't just KO current NK government and then that's that.

To be fair there's Not much to occupy if you glassily the country with nukes, which is the end game these people are aiming for

 

[digdug2k]

What I'd like to know if all these people on Gaf were Trump supporters all the time, or if it was the idea of bombing campaigns that warmed them up to him.

It's fine to kill brown people, they just better not be us citizens.

 

[Bear]

When my fridge acts up I pay someone to fix it, doesn't require me to know the first thing about refrigerator repair. This thought that in order to want military action you must provide a detailed plan and course of action is absolutely absurd.

We elect/promote people to do that for us. Now my opinion is they need to get to it.

 

[Barrage]

When my fridge acts up I pay someone to fix it, doesn't require me to know the first thing about refrigerator repair. This thought that in order to want military action you must provide a detailed plan and course of action is absolutely absurd.

We elect/promote people to do that for us. Now my opinion is they need to get to it.

Kids aren't going to die to get your fridge fixed, dummy.

 

[Ekdrm2d1]

Kids aren't going to die to get your fridge fixed, dummy.

I like this response the best.

 

[norm9]

No its some I'm not an army general so don't ask me for a detailed war plan shit.

Got it. You just wanna blow some shit.up.

 

[Xando]

Got it. You just wanna blow some shit.up.

Isn't that the american way? Shoot first ask questions later?

 

[SoRuffShoNuff]

Got it. You just wanna blow some shit.up.

I want the problem solved. Doing nothing doesn't seem to be doing anything.

 

[SoRuffShoNuff]

If you have zero interest in how this problem resolves itself for the people living under the DPRK regime, why do you care about the problems DPRK causes for their neighbors in the first place? SK is equally disconnected from you and your problems as people in NK are, after all.

Pretty big assumption on your part I would say.

 

[Vilix]

To be fair there's Not much to occupy if you glassily the country with nukes, which is the end game these people are aiming for

I don't believe China would let the US, or a US backed country, occupy NK. They want that puffer. Also China has said many times they will not tolerate nuclear warheads in Japan or South Korea. China is the key to bringing NK to heel.

 

[jakonovski]

I want the problem solved. Doing nothing doesn't seem to be doing anything.

Why are you assuming nothing has been accomplished so far? You have already confessed ignorance of war.

 

[SoRuffShoNuff]

Why are you assuming nothing has been accomplished so far? You have already confessed ignorance of war.

If the goal is to prevent NK from developing nuclear weapons and ICBMs then we are failing. Slowing them does not equal stopping.

 

[TarNaru33]

What I'd like to know if all these people on Gaf were Trump supporters all the time, or if it was the idea of bombing campaigns that warmed them up to him.

This makes no sense since Trump supporters probably didn't even agree with the bombing of Syria and many Democrats actually do support a bombing of Syria and NK.

The only thing preventing and prevented NK being invaded (by Democratic or Republican lead U.S) is China and the initial threat of their artillery being so close to Seoul. Something that likely will change to prevent NK from obtaining a nuclear capable missile that could reach U.S mainland and I support that idea.

What?! That's some kill them all let god sort them out shit. Truly an American viewpoint.

Too many of you are being obtuse to that statement. He is saying HE has no plan and its to be expected, he isn't in charge of U.S military and know the ins and outs of the assets at hand nor does he study occupation and rebuilding of government.

That is exactly why we elect people who are suppose to know these things and when those people don't they hire those that do. Stop acting like children in your responses people, it isn't hard to put some modicum of thought into what he is saying.

 

[Snkfanatic]

When my fridge acts up I pay someone to fix it, doesn't require me to know the first thing about refrigerator repair. This thought that in order to want military action you must provide a detailed plan and course of action is absolutely absurd.

We elect/promote people to do that for us. Now my opinion is they need to get to it.

Jesus. This post is something else.

 

[SoRuffShoNuff]

Too many of you are being obtuse to that statement. He is saying HE has no plan and its to be expected, he isn't in charge of U.S military and know the ins and outs of the assets at hand nor does he study occupation and rebuilding of government.

That is exactly why we elect people who are suppose to know these things and when those people don't they hire those that do. Stop acting like children in your responses people, it isn't hard to put some modicum of thought into what he is saying.

It was pretty straight forward but once the train gets rolling people aren't gonna let reading comprehension derail the outrage.

 

[norm9]

Too many of you are being obtuse to that statement. He is saying HE has no plan and its to be expected, he isn't in charge of U.S military and know the ins and outs of the assets at hand nor does he study occupation and rebuilding of government.

That is exactly why we elect people who are suppose to know these things and when those people don't they hire those that do. Stop acting like children in your responses people, it isn't hard to put some modicum of thought into what he is saying.

Nah, sorry. I expect someone who advocates for military action to another country know the ramifications of such actions. Not wave away the details to someone else. Even a basic understanding of the delicate relations in that region would be nice. More than 10 minutes would ideal.

This is how we end up with a dunce for a president who promises the world and hasn't once offered any sort of details to a single thing he has promised.

 

[jakonovski]

If the goal is to prevent NK from developing nuclear weapons and ICBMs then we are failing. Slowing them does not equal stopping.

North Korea has done five nuclear tests and countless missile tests. You cannot stop a country from developing 70 year old weapons tech unless you invade them, which in the case of NK would cost millions of lives. Diplomatic efforts are far better and have kept the situation stable for 60 years.

Get some perspective on this stuff, the world doesn't revolve around your fears. The main reason we're in this shitfest right now is because your president is acting unpredictably and your shambolic government has sent military threats from channels both official and unofficial.

 

[EatinOlives]

Jesus. This post is something else.

It reads like something out of Parks and Rec

 

[streetsahead123]

NK has hundreds of military facilities deep underground. That's just one of the many reasons 'bomb them and be done with it' wouldn't work.

 

[GTP_Daverytimes]

Bombing. The American Spirit.

I think you men "Bombing, THE American Pastime"

 

[SoRuffShoNuff]

North Korea has done five nuclear tests and countless missile tests. You cannot stop a country from developing 70 year old weapons tech unless you invade them, which in the case of NK would cost millions of lives. Diplomatic efforts are far better and have kept the situation stable for 60 years.

Get some perspective on this stuff, the world doesn't revolve around your fears. The main reason we're in this shitfest right now is because your president is acting unpredictably and your shambolic government has sent military threats from channels both official and unofficial.

If the situation was so stable why has our government been going on about how we need to stop NK from doing this or that for the past couple decades? If the situation was stable they wouldn't be talking about it all the time. Quit telling me it's a problem if the situation is "stable" as you would say.

 

[jakonovski]

If the situation was so stable why has our government been going on about how we need to stop NK from doing this or that for the past couple decades? If the situation was stable they wouldn't be talking about it all the time. Quit telling me it's a problem if the situation is "stable" as you would say.

That talk is part of diplomatic efforts and that's what such efforts do, they stabilize a situation. For 60 years and counting.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just think you're stubbornly refusing to back down on your original argument. The other option is that you really, really want to see a shitload of people dead.

 

[Liha]

There is nothing that can stop NK from developing better ICBMs, unless Trumps offers them a lot (peace treaty etc.). Whoever supports a war against NK is batshit insane.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

It was pretty straight forward but once the train gets rolling people aren't gonna let reading comprehension derail the outrage.

The genius who compared military action that leads to untold death and destruction to refrigerator repair is chastising others for reading comprehension.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

Since World War II every single American foreign military intervention has been an obscene waste of life and resources.

I can't remember the last successfully resolved campaign America has completed...

Vietnam nope
Afghanistan nope
Iraq nope
Iraq v2 nope

When every single intervention you've made has created even more abject fucking misery. Refugee crisis that other countries have to deal with. And a terrorist insurgency in Europe.

Why in Gods name of all fuck. Would you want America anywhere near a difficult and nuanced situation?

Am I missing something here? Has there been a campaign that didn't end in total disaster or a state of perpetual flux?

Who in their right fucking mind is taking American foreign policy seriously at this point? It's like recruiting a homeless person to teach economics. I don't get it.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Since World War II every single American foreign military intervention has been an obscene waste of life and resources.

I can't remember the last successfully resolved campaign America has completed...

Vietnam nope
Afghanistan nope
Iraq nope
Iraq v2 nope

When every single intervention you've made has created even more abject fucking misery. Refugee crisis that other countries have to deal with. And a terrorist insurgency in Europe.

Why in Gods name of all fuck. Would you want America anywhere near a difficult and nuanced situation?

Am I missing something here? Has there been a campaign that didn't end in total disaster or a state of perpetual flux?

Who in their right fucking mind is taking American foreign policy seriously at this point? It's like recruiting a homeless person to teach economics. I don't get it.

The first Iraq conflict was a momentary success specifically because they avoided all the mistakes the second Iraq conflict made.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

Since World War II every single American foreign military intervention has been an obscene waste of life and resources.

I can't remember the last successfully resolved campaign America has completed...

Vietnam nope
Afghanistan nope
Iraq nope
Iraq v2 nope

When every single intervention you've made has created even more abject fucking misery. Refugee crisis that other countries have to deal with. And a terrorist insurgency in Europe.

Why in Gods name of all fuck. Would you want America anywhere near a difficult and nuanced situation?

Am I missing something here? Has there been a campaign that didn't end in total disaster or a state of perpetual flux?

Who in their right fucking mind is taking American foreign policy seriously at this point? It's like recruiting a homeless person to teach economics. I don't get it.

First Gulf War actually ended up well for Kuwait.

 

[TarNaru33]

That talk is part of diplomatic efforts and that's what such efforts do, they stabilize a situation. For 60 years and counting.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just think you're stubbornly refusing to back down on your original argument. The other option is that you really, really want to see a shitload of people dead.

a "shitload" of people already die in NK, from starvation, executions, and overwork.

Also that 60 years of diplomatic effort wasn't "stabilizing" anything, it was stalling it. Kicking the can down the road which we all seem to be good at, if NK was like Iran, this would not be the case as Iran has rational actors leading it and a goal of being a regional power.

It is why I would support negotiating with Iran more than NK now

A major change in U.S policy towards NK would be needed to allow for NK to fully develop an ICBM that could reach U.S, which I don't see happening.

 

[Xando]

If the situation was so stable why has our government been going on about how we need to stop NK from doing this or that for the past couple decades? If the situation was stable they wouldn't be talking about it all the time. Quit telling me it's a problem if the situation is "stable" as you would say.

No one is talking about it as much as you guys. Even SK is okay with the current situation and has no ambitions for regime change in the north.

You guys advocate military action because a country is willing to use it as deterrence against attack from the US.

Imagine Russia or China having a hard on for military action in the US because you used a MOAB

 

[jakonovski]

The first Iraq conflict was a momentary success specifically because they avoided all the mistakes the second Iraq conflict made.

And then you rewind back a decade or so and realize the previous campaign was what created that situation. The aggregated human cost of American involvement in the Middle East is probably several millions.

 

[littleworm]

Since World War II every single American foreign military intervention has been an obscene waste of life and resources.

I can't remember the last successfully resolved campaign America has completed...

Vietnam nope
Afghanistan nope
Iraq nope
Iraq v2 nope

When every single intervention you've made has created even more abject fucking misery. Refugee crisis that other countries have to deal with. And a terrorist insurgency in Europe.

Why in Gods name of all fuck. Would you want America anywhere near a difficult and nuanced situation?

Am I missing something here? Has there been a campaign that didn't end in total disaster or a state of perpetual flux?

Who in their right fucking mind is taking American foreign policy seriously at this point? It's like recruiting a homeless person to teach economics. I don't get it.

Quite ironic that in a thread about the Korean war you would omit it. I imagine the South Koreans are very happy not to be living as a part of North Korea right now.

 

[akira28]

What I'd like to know if all these people on Gaf were Trump supporters all the time, or if it was the idea of bombing campaigns that warmed them up to him.

its a biological instinct almost, I think. possibility of death and destruction and people align themselves like little magnetized particles. also could be a nice way to line up nanotubes.

 

[akira28]

I want the problem solved. Doing nothing doesn't seem to be doing anything.

gotta think in 3 dimensions when there's nuclear war in play my dude. doing nothing and doing the really wrong thing are like bad to worse, right? We want Trump and co to do the right thing, but they seem to want to shake their swords and play their old script that got us into a lot of old similar situations that were not solved. people were just exhausted after so many people died.

or is that what you might consider a solution?

 

[jakonovski]

a "shitload" of people already die in NK, from starvation, executions, and overwork.

Also that 60 years of diplomatic effort wasn't "stabilizing" anything, it was stalling it. Kicking the can down the road which we all seem to be good at, if NK was like Iran, this would not be the case as Iran has rational actors leading it and a goal of being a regional power.

It is why I would support negotiating with Iran more than NK now

A major change in U.S policy towards NK would be needed to allow for NK to fully develop an ICBM that could reach U.S, which I don't see happening.

If 60 years is not enough for you, there isn't anything on the world political stage that's stable. The argument becomes meaningless.

I get the idea that NK is a shitty nation that oppresses and murders its own and definitely shouldn't have nukes. But the thirst for war you and others have is so blatant that any excuse you give for it is hollow.

 

[twobear]

a "shitload" of people already die in NK, from starvation, executions, and overwork.

Also that 60 years of diplomatic effort wasn't "stabilizing" anything, it was stalling it. Kicking the can down the road which we all seem to be good at, if NK was like Iran, this would not be the case as Iran has rational actors leading it and a goal of being a regional power.

It is why I would support negotiating with Iran more than NK now

A major change in U.S policy towards NK would be needed to allow for NK to fully develop an ICBM that could reach U.S, which I don't see happening.

The USSR collapsed after ~70 years. Obviously the situation is not exactly the same but the idea that any system is eternal and will never change is not realistic.

 

[jakonovski]

Quite ironic that in a thread about the Korean war you would omit it. I imagine the South Koreans are very happy not to be living as a part of North Korea right now.

Which brings up a salient point: does South Korea want a new war? No they don't.