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Magic: the Gathering |OT11| Amonkhet - Have you ever had decks with a Pharaoh?
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Maybe more anthem effects to get around -X/-X wipes? You've got Lord of the Accursed in there, would Liliana's Mastery be too much? 5 mana for an anthem isn't great obviously, but at least it comes with some zombies of its own. Plague Belcher would help with wipes as well, or at least it would punish your opponent for them a little.
Another interesting 2 drop is Wayward Servant. Probably hard to get out right at turn 2, but combos really well with stuff like Diregraf Colossus and Liliana.
In terms of removal, there's always Anguished Unmaking. Losing 3 life sucks, but you can just treat them like extra Cast Outs and not include too many.
divisionbyzorro
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It was really stupid to print a card called "Time to Reflect" when the split cards in the set are joined by the "to" connector.
I have had the LRR pre pre-release video playing in the background at work and the 2nd game of the last round was pretty great. These videos are pretty great for new players. I like how they play slow and explain their plays. Their card reader is also pretty cool so it is easy to follow along.
https://youtu.be/fLCOGj3sm50?t=25116
https://youtu.be/fLCOGj3sm50?t=25116
I don't think there's room for Wayward Servant. The card would replace Binding Mummy, but Binding Mummy at least guarantees that the opponent is never ever going to be able to block with their strongest 1-2 or more creatures, and sometimes you get to tap them down on the attack too. I'll do more extensive tests in the coming days and weeks and see if the extra face damage matters
Liliana's Mastery has the problem of coming down after the first wave of sweeper, but it does put 6/6 points worth of stats by itself on the table so there's that. Could be interesting, but it's tough to compete with Liliana herself
gonna have to see how Anguished Unmaking compares to Cast Out. It's nice to have so many options for instant permanent removals, though
Iconic Masters is real, will have an old-school prerelease at Hascon, Hasbros new convention http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/hascon-and-kickoff-our-25th-anniversary-2017-04-20
Aside from the obvious aspect of pushing them as the big dudes for those colors, perhaps they want iconic cards from all of the periods of Magic's history, not just the really early pre-modern stuff. For someone that hasn't been playing for more than a few years, perhaps Kalonian Hydra and Consecrated Sphinx are iconic.
God, imagine if people are opening packs and getting Reserved List cards, and then there are 2 months between that and the set release.
Also, as Darkside mentioned to me on Twitter, if it's a Hasbro con, they should totally do some crossover cards. Put Transformers or Ponies on cards!
Also, as Darkside mentioned to me on Twitter, if it's a Hasbro con, they should totally do some crossover cards. Put Transformers or Ponies on cards!
I wish they'd stop trying to push Hydras as Green's iconic creature. They just don't work for me at all - plus they seem completely out of place in forests!
Sphinxes I can see (although I prefer Djinn), but hydras are a big flop. Back to the drawing board from my perspective.
(I do think it should be tree folk tbh, and screw what the focus groups say - you can make them cool and they can do a lot more than hydras, which appear to have ZERO mechanical consistency to them. They don't even regenerate heads!)
Sphinxes I can see (although I prefer Djinn), but hydras are a big flop. Back to the drawing board from my perspective.
(I do think it should be tree folk tbh, and screw what the focus groups say - you can make them cool and they can do a lot more than hydras, which appear to have ZERO mechanical consistency to them. They don't even regenerate heads!)
While I would agree with you, WotC definitely considers them that and has for a while.
Exactly. Hydras should be red. Yet another thing that isn't in red's colour pie anymore.
To answer my own question, product page say 10 dollar packs:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/products/iconic-masters
Slightly different description:
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Eh, Hyrdras work well enough as big green stompy monsters honestly. They're grounded, unlike all of the other ones in the other colors, often times how big they are depends on how much mana you pump in which fits perfectly with green's ability to ramp, they're basically just really big snakes with multiple heads and some legs. They're no worse for me than wurms were, and they certainly stand out more than generic "beasts".
I'm not sure what kind of mechanical consistency you'd get with treefolk that you couldn't have with Hyrdras, other than just generally high toughness as opposed to power like in Lorwyn.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I'm struggling to think how this is going to be worth 10 bucks unless the dual lands come off the Reserved Lisf.
Poodlestrike
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Agreed that wurms are better than Hydras. Plated Slagwurm <3
FreedomFrisbee
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I don't know how they justify $10 packs of anything if they're printing 2 sets like that a year. Keeping it closer to the holidays and having it be a limited print release also makes little sense, the product its replacing in that time frame is a way broader distribution.
However, the product page doesn't say anything about a limited release.
Hydras heads grow back. It is literally the essence of the creature. It's the thing that makes hydras hydras. It's as key as dragons breathing fire and flying. And hydras don't regenerate at all in magic anymore.
I also think that just on a coolness factor hydras simply suck compared to demons, angels and dragons. I know they want a big iconic creature for green because red, white and black have them but I'm not entirely sure why. Who goes crazy because there's a new hydra? As you say, it's just another big green stompy. They have zero personality and all look identical (which is odd considering that's one big reason why they don't make many tree folk).
(They also aren't generic enough. Hydras fit in Theros, but they look damn out of place on Kaladesh or Amonkhet).
I wanted to remark on this but I'm glad someone else did. I hate the flavor of hydras just having counters and no regen properties. It's so stupid.
I could say the same thing about Treefolk honestly. I can't see Treefolk being in Amonkhet at all. They'd probably work in Kaladesh though, I'll give you that.
But yeah, I don't have any particular affinity for Hyrdas or anything (outside of liking big stompy green creatures), so if they replaced them with Wurms I wouldn't mind. Though it's not like wurms look like they could live in a forest better than hydras, at least there's more you can do with them I suppose.
The problem was the best giant green creatures were just generic beasts back in the day, and they use that creature type for tons of smaller green creatures.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The only thing I can guess is old school frames or original art or something.
Poodlestrike
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The problem is, all creatures have regenerate properties (damage healed at end of turn). You could do something where Hydras get *extra* tokens when they regenerate damage at end of turn... That'd be pretty dope.
But the ship has kind of sailed. Maybe green iconic should be bears. Or dinosaurs.
But the ship has kind of sailed. Maybe green iconic should be bears. Or dinosaurs.
Now there's a suggestion I can get behind. Let's have more dinosaurs in Magic. It's not like we're planning to go to Muraganda in the near future, so every plane should just co-opt dinosaurs as their iconic green beaters.
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I think Amonkhet might be really good
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I think Amonkhet might be really good
FreedomFrisbee
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Dinosaurs should have been the green iconic long ago. Djinns should have stayed as blues, but I can see why they didn't. The problem is now we have a handful of iconics that haven't been around since the start of the game, which really undermines any attempt at making them iconic.
You could do oasis based treefolk, but I agree it's a stretch. But then I don't think angels and dragons fit on every plane. I think wizard has gone down a blind alley with this notion that every colour has to have a big iconic creature type that has to show up on every plane anyways. Green has never had an iconic creature type throughout its history, why now? Green players like big stompy things, they don't care if it's a hydra or a wurm.
Angels, demons and dragons work because they come with a huge inbuilt set of expectations and narrative from outside the game. There's nothing equivalent for green. That's fine - wizards should just roll with it rather than trying to force this dumb creature type down people's throats that simply doesn't work. Especially when they are ignoring the one bit of narrative from outside the game that people do recognise in hydras!
Sorry, it's just thehydra thing really annoys me. It feels like such a 'design by committee' decision, and I find them and their artwork really dull and pedestrian.
Treefolk are super lame.
Except regenerate is dead. So whatever.
Easy solution.
(G): Regenerate Mawtooth Hydra. Put a +1/+1 counter on it.
Except regenerate is dead. So whatever.
oooh that would be great. Vintage Masters has some great cards. they can leave out stuff like the Conspiracy 1 reprints and reserve list cards, and add some modern cards since Vintage Masters had none (well, they have to since old frame Hydras and Sphinxes are scarce), and it can be amazing.
Sphinxes became Blue's iconic over a decade ago. Demons were also absent for a large part of Magic's history, only returning in Onslaught block (thanks moral guardians)
Remembrance
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Remember when Thorn Elemental was green's iconic creature in 7th Edition?
Ultimate_Trainer
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Im hoping that set includes the creature Nicol Bolas. I'm building a commander deck with him in it, but the other newer art of him is a bit more expensive that what I would like as of right now.
You don't like old man Bolas with dragon nipples?
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