The last time I checked, 8 comes after 7 on the number scale.
In media, this normally indicates that one title is the sequel to another.
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[Digital Foundry] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Switch vs. 3DS/Wii U Comparison
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The last time I checked, 8 comes after 7 on the number scale.
In media, this normally indicates that one title is the sequel to another.
Counter-argument : Splatoon 2, despite having a numbered title that would indicate that it is a sequel, is, in fact, a port.
BigEmil
Junior Member
They might've ported the game but it's completely different that it's changed to a degree where you call it a sequel
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TLZ
Banned
No need for bait posts.
They can't compare the two exactly because there's no way to directly record handheld mode. Watch the video, they explain everything.
Diablohead
Member
Seeing MK8 ported over to the switch at 1080p is amazing and gives me a chance to play the game, i'm happy that nintendo did such a thing.
This also makes me want to see F-Zero GX ported over with some bonus features, either with improved support for AX or some added in online multiplayer I would be drooling for months. (I have tried GX in dolphin and that just makes me want it even more on switch)
This also makes me want to see F-Zero GX ported over with some bonus features, either with improved support for AX or some added in online multiplayer I would be drooling for months. (I have tried GX in dolphin and that just makes me want it even more on switch)
You have to also consider the fact that currently, it isn't possible to capture video directly from the Switch screen itself.
I can't help but feel disappointed by this. Wish we were receiving more of a graphical upgrade that would make the game (that I've played to death) feel more 'fresh' but 1080p is definitely nice.
The Futurist
Member
Excited to play it, but the lack of effort by Nintendo is disappointing to say the least.
Just a resolution bump is not enough.
I guess it doesn't matter at the end of the day. People will buy it regardless.
Just a resolution bump is not enough.
I guess it doesn't matter at the end of the day. People will buy it regardless.
th3sicknness
Member
The question is .. what could they have done that would make you feel not disappointed?
They added content, cleaned up image quality with a resolution bump , and added full portability with pack in two player and 8-12 player local play.
Nintendo would have had to design a new Mario Kart game. This title clearly targeted users who didn't play or own the title. They tried to provide some value for returning users by adding a legit battle mode and additional characters.
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
More like PS Vita defense force in decline Switch is destroying their beloved handheld.
RIP my Vita.
the point is essentially handheld "generation" to "generation". If you are comparing it with last gen's console MK, wouldn't you also compare it with last gen's handheld MK8 being that Switch is both console and handheld?
Also new Battle Modes and 8 proper battle mode arenas (Wii U had 0)
Honestly the only people whose complaints are justified are the Wii U players. For $60 they get 4 new battle modes, 8 new arenas, a couple new characters and a resolution bump. Possibly not worth a brand new $60.
But if you aren't a Wii U player? Get outta here with those "low effort from nintendo". You're getting a value that was originally $80 AND a resolution bump AND 4 new game modes and 8 new arenas and two new characters. For $60.
I have no idea why people are getting so upset / snarky over DF comparing MK 7 as well. MK8D can be played in portable mode on, say, a train. The last MK game you could do that with was MK7 on the 3DS. This video showcases the leap from the home console version (Wii U) as well as the leap from the last portable version of MK (3DS).
Seems like a perfectly valid thing to include and shows just how big a leap Switch is from 3DS as a handheld games machine.
Seems like a perfectly valid thing to include and shows just how big a leap Switch is from 3DS as a handheld games machine.
NOLA_Gaffer
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Yeah, the feeling of disappointment over this being more or less a straight port (as someone who doesn't play battle mode) grows as the days progress.
If they had added in an extra cup or two I definitely would have picked it up. As it is now it's the same 40 tracks I've played to death. Bleh.
All this.
Exactly. I said this before....docked vs undocked mode. It makes sense to compare it to the 3DS. It should be a major difference because there is a major difference between the 3DS and Switch.
Unless we are saying the Switch doesnt double as a handheld now.
Chezzymann
Member
Yeah but to be fair the 3DS was ridiculously underpowered when it came out
JoshuaJSlone
Member
If things get boiled down to Need, there goes almost any gaming-related content in the world.
Davey Cakes
Member
It was a stutter. Some people found it hard to ignore.
That said, it was only in Single Player.
deadscreensky
Member
It's a terrible shame Nintendo couldn't bother to use some 2008-era texture filtering, at least on the track. Would have been a tremendous visual upgrade.
Neat video. I have no idea why so many people are confused about MK7's inclusion.
Neat video. I have no idea why so many people are confused about MK7's inclusion.
It's really noticeable when drifting around sharp corners, for example. It doesn't make the game unplayable for me, mind you, but I'm really glad that's fixed with the Switch version.
I'm pretty sure it also was in two-player splitscreen. Not sure about online.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
You'd be surprised how legitimately upset it made some people.
PotionBleue
Member
To be more precise it only happens when there are AI-controlled drivers.
It really wasn't
http://www.hardcoreware.net/nintendo-3ds-specs-comparison
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=398994&page=6
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/103711-Rumor-Leaked-3DS-Hardware-Specs-Prove-Its-Power
http://www.pcworld.com/article/206054/leaked_nintendo_3ds_hardware_specs_analyzed.html
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-3ds-gpu-revealed-blog-post
To be fair it was not top of the line mobile performance and you can find that directly in some of the articles I linked. Although just as today, the mobile GPU's in phones at the time were not even coming close to their full potential The current iphone on the market when it released was the iPhone 4 and the iPad 1 was just released the previous year. The Vita didn't release until nearly a year later. Bottom line the performance of the 3DS when it released was in line with current mobile hardware on the market but not the best available and certainly not way under powered.
Diablohead
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It's not the fps count itself that is the bother it's the dropped frame every second, it's stutter and it doesn't go away once you notice it.
Ummmm okay... These points were pointless together.
First one fine
But leap over 7... Nooooo couldn't be
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Sorcerer Supreme
Member
why does nintendo hate AA?
Maybe a company that thinks AA diminishes the quality?
Sadly there are people out there who think this
After reading the 3ds comments I watched the full video. I think it's a fun comparison. Simply because they're the same stages but basically it's like seeing it 2-3 generations later with the cool bells and whistles. It was neat to see those flat leaf textures and then see fully modeled trees, or even how the camera angle on the light stage avoids showing too much on the 3ds and they purposely choose a low angle on the switch to see all the cool effects.
Dictator93
Member
The lack of AA in Nintendo games is such a ?????
I mean, they have graphics programmers - otherwise the games would not exist. Do these graphics programmers just actively ignore how important clean edges are to such simplistic non-realistic art styles with clashing primary colours and high specular values?
I mean, they have graphics programmers - otherwise the games would not exist. Do these graphics programmers just actively ignore how important clean edges are to such simplistic non-realistic art styles with clashing primary colours and high specular values?
AA isn't free. Employing it means reducing performance or effects. It's always a trade off. Not much of a ????? They don't want to sacrifice performance or effects to provide AA. Seems simple
Peterthumpa
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I don't understand this obsession that the DF guys have to keep saying that the Switch is leaps and bounds better than the 3DS. It's sold as a console, it's more powerful than their last console, and it's obviously more powerful than the 3DS.
Waiting for the Odyssey comparison to 3D Land later this year.
Waiting for the Odyssey comparison to 3D Land later this year.
Dictator93
Member
I think you are giving a benefit of doubt that I would not subscribe to. But I am not sure if it is something that they do not include because it would tank performance to unacceptable levels. Mainly because modern single frame post process AA is obscenely cheap for what it does. SMAA1x low for example. Heck even Filmic SMAA used in the Call of Duty games is cheaper than FXAA3. That makes me think that they are perhaps actively ignoring the existance of them, or are ignorant of certain trends in modern graphics programming.
They also make a lot of games with little to no frame drops at either 30 (that toad game for example) or 60 fps (most of their games, thankfully). The lack of frame drops even when heavy alpha is flying implies that they have a great amount of headroom in these games.
But perhaps I could change my "?????" to be a "I am confounded by their decision making", as their games are crazy aliased, I find it distracting, and I think they should change up their priorities abit to include Anti-Aliasing into their repetoir.
Steve Youngblood
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I don't understand why these comparisons bother people. Not every observation has to be the answer to an outstanding question. If you bought a Switch primarily as a follow up to the Wii U, then yes I can understand that there's not a lot of value in comparing to the 3DS. But if you bought this primarily as a 3DS successor device it is a neat comparison.
This? https://research.activision.com/t5/...gical-and-Temporal-Antialiasing/ba-p/10012720
That's not likely to be anywhere cheap enough for Switch.
BigEmil
Junior Member
Since Switch hasn't had any graphical improvements and such and just a resolution bump surely an aa could've been added too which is not that expensive at all Switch hardware got enough horsepower left for that. On YouTube videos aliasing is harder to notice due to compression and encoding and that but when you play it on your screen directly the no AA jaggies are very jarring.
Caayn
Member
How do you know how much headroom the Switch version of MK8 has?
The difference between both MK8 versions is larger than the difference between both Zelda:BotW versions.
th3sicknness
Member
What other portable device is playing games like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Zelda BOTW? It is very impressive because every game coming out for it is fully portable ? Even though they are marketing it as a console it is a hyrbid device.
It is the best portable gaming device on th market and nothing out is as smooth with its implementation.
-shadow-
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Are you aware your post implies that the number 8 does not come after the number 7?
Then you don't actually understand what the problem was then.
It's not that it was running at 59fps, rather, that there was a constant, inherent stutter present during gameplay at all times. Once you see it, the problem is impossible to ignore. It was super annoying.
Birgitte2004
Member
I don't understand what makes it "neat" either.
It's like being told my PS4 is more powerful than my old PS2. Yes. Sure. So? Is this a revelation? Something is seriously seriously wrong if the Switch isn't "wow" when compared to the 3DS.