not if you can run Kodi natively... Android tv also have a lot of pros. Sony just need to put a better SoC than those cheapo outdated mediatek Soc that barely runs in 1080p.
SoC is already updated since last models in 2016 lineup and is "fine" now... it is still Android, so it has a lot of baggage but at the same time, it has million apps and support forever vs proprietary OSs that will eventually just discontinue some apps.
So I can deal with it and I actually want to get next TV as Android TV.
I dont want to have to run best apps via outside source, Android TV is best bet for that. I have base Samsung 58" smart tv now and having ability to use native plex and others is a great extra, but for half a year HBO GO disappeared from it and I had to use inferior cable box for it, it was pretty annoying and i just ended up not watching it.
What percentage of gamers do you think are currently playing on consoles that output 4K 100% of the time?
It is a con, period.
I popped into my local Best Buy yesterday to check out the LG B6 and it ruined me... I just bought our 1080p Sony about three years ago and now I can't look at it the same way. The picture just seems dull now that I've experienced true greatness. Time to start saving!
Sony A1 OLED review:
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1492757435
Lag:
"We measured input lag to approximately 40 ms in game mode regardless of whether HDR is active or not, which is about twice as high as the fastest TVs out there. We dont yet have the equipment to upscale our Leo Bodnar lag sensor, so we cant test input lag in 4K, but others report that lag is actually reduced when the TV doesnt have to upscale. Lag should allegedly come in at about 20 ms, which is far more acceptable, but in turn it requires a game console capable of delivering 4K resolution (meaning PS4 Pro only). Since we cant confirm the measurement ourselves we have to leave you hanging on this one.
Yeah, it's such a shame no TV manufacturer is supporting Freesync.
HDMI 2.1 can't come soon enough.
If I'm going to buy a TV for gaming, the lower input lag seems a no brainer. I can't in good conscience pay more for more lag...hopefully Leo tests can be done soon and resolve this.
The PS4 Pro outputs 2160p 100% of the time, whether games take advantage of the resolution or not. I expect Scorpio to be no different. Hell, even my Sky Q box outputs at 2160p.
REAL gamers.
I can't. The cringe.
1) Notice the wink.
2) Gain some self-awareness. You've been the designated prick of the thread lately with your shitposts.
And I just listed a ton of devices I use that don't.
REAL gamers don't limit themselves to one or two recent platforms.
If I didn't already have an E6 already I'd opt for the A1E, for sure.
The only real con I see with the A1E is the Android OS. While it's functional it's just not a great experience.
Once HDMI 2.1 rolls out and PS5 is on the horizon I'll be looking to upgrade to a Sony OLED if they're still making them in a few years. Hopefully by then they'll sort out their OS...
The advantage of improved motion is more significant than slightly more laggy input lag IMO. We are talking a difference of 10ms.
I wonder how much better the motion handling is vs the "6" series LGs. Can't wait to see it in action.
Are there any comparisons to the C7 or 7 series LG line versus the new A1E? I will probably be using this tv for gaming at least 50% of the time with FPS and online games being the vast majority of the type of games played so input lag in the 40s+ is a little disconcerting, especially if I consider hooking up my pc to it as well
Sony A1E Motion handling while gaming
I'm not sure how credible his settings are for picture accuracy but this guy claims it's the best.
I'm in the same boat as you. I have already started checking prices on the 65A1E. I have no issues with my 65E6 but the improved motion is swaying me. My biggest issue/concern with the Sony is the OS. WebOS is by far the best user experience I have every had with a Smart TV platform. Also I kind of hate the idea of losing 3D. Granted I do not use it often but when I do my god is it good.
I could just sell my ZT60 and go with the A1 and move the E6 to the bedroom. Plus the price may fall some as well which may be enough to sway me
Since you already have an E6 I'd wait for HDMI 2.1 to come out first before spending another $4-6k on an OLED. You don't really need it right now, but when 2.1 rolls out? Yeah, definitely going to be something to consider then.
Since you already have an E6 I'd wait for HDMI 2.1 to come out first before spending another $4-6k on an OLED. You don't really need it right now, but when 2.1 rolls out? Yeah, definitely going to be something to consider then.
Input lag of 40 ms is fine in all reality. The only people who are going to notice are the hardcore TV nerds and those playing games that require split second decisions like online FPS or fighting games.
What about platformers? Those feel terrible with input lag. Rhythm games too. And Shmups.
If it wasn't $5,000, I'd have gotten the Z9D over the C6 I have honestly ($1,500 was too tempting for early adoption and it being OLED). $3,000 would be my ideal price range for the Z9D really. It's still the best HDR TV in the market right now personally. Kind of sucks the input lag is a bit high, but 40 ms is tolerable to me unless I was playing Overwatch or Street Fighter V somewhat competitively.Stopped in BB....
Just got the A1e in...
My God
Chopped it up with the Sony rep for like 25 minutes. Going back and forth between the Z9D and the A1E. He was actually making the case for the Z9 as the better overall tv and I gotta admit..That mf may be the best looking LCD ever. The blacks weren't THAT far off from the A1e, but the bright content he showed...You could see the difference.
Saw Horizon on that A1e and almost fell out
It's basically 6 racks after tax for both of them
The advantage of improved motion is more significant than slightly more laggy input lag IMO. We are talking a difference of 10ms.
Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly does "motion" mean in this context? OLED pixel response time should be the same, so basically just frame interpolation and maybe black frame insertion? I can't imagine anything else that would affect motion perception.
Cuningas de Häme;234421763 said:So, is there any TVs without "smart" functions anymore?
I do not want that my TV has an OS that is easily hacked via OTA. And I know how shitty manufacturers are with proper updates on anything that isn't a phone (well, most of the phones lack proper updates too..).
I just want a TV that has basic functions working as fast as possible, minimal lag, at least a 100Hz native and not some program or such, enough ports for my stuff and a sensible menu. Is there a such thing, or do I just have to accept that I will have to get an insecure machine full of unnecessary junk?
47 ms for 1080p and below is way too high in my book, so I'll have to disagree until Sony uses an even better processor that further lowers input lag.Like I said before maybe a month or two before when someone said the A1E is only Sony tax, they are unbeatable right now for motion and image processing. Their biggest weaknesses in televisions recently were input lag and brightness and blacks, all of which they knocked out of the park this year.
Meh to A1E overall, but I've already posted my reasons on avoiding a 2017 OLED in general. If you've got the money and a big itch to scratch, then sure.
Its an amazing TV for now. You're always going to be waiting for the next big advance that is just down the block and then waiting even longer for content that supports it in large amounts. If people have the cash and the desire, go for it.
All current panel technologies have very poor motion resolution compared to plasma or CRT. Standard LCD and OLED only get 300 lines of motion resolution. Effectively you get SD resolution on moving images. The effect tends to be most pronounced in content that contains a lot of camera panning / scrolling.
Thank you, but I still don't really understand. Does that mean only 300 lines are updated each frame? Surely that can't be true?
And what does Sony do to improve this? Panel tech is the same, so... frame interpolation? But that will be turned off in Game mode, so I just don't get what it does differently to make games look better in motion.
Stopped in BB....
Just got the A1e in...
My God
Chopped it up with the Sony rep for like 25 minutes. Going back and forth between the Z9D and the A1E. He was actually making the case for the Z9 as the better overall tv and I gotta admit..That mf may be the best looking LCD ever. The blacks weren't THAT far off from the A1e, but the bright content he showed...You could see the difference.
Saw Horizon on that A1e and almost fell out
It's basically 6 racks after tax for both of them
That's the B7. The B6 does 28 ms.But the B6 is doing 21ms input lag in game mode, don't think the Sony is close.
Yes sorry.That's the B7. The B6 does 28 ms.
Can you not use the B/C6 1080p120Hz mode for gaming like the '7' series?