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Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward |OT2| RIP Bowmage 2015-2017.

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Made it half-way through the content between ARR and HW... only 47 more quests to go.

Keep it up.

You got plenty of time to finish it up and all of Heavensward.

About 2 months until Stormblood.

This is actually a good time to go through it because by the time you finish you won't have to wait long for new stuff coming from the expansion.
 

B.K.

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I just did A1 normal. As slow as I am and having to do quests in between each floor, it's going to take me a while to get through all of Alexander.
 

B.K.

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I see my lotting luck is just as bad in XIV as it was in XI. I just finished A3 and I haven't won a single lot yet. I thought we were going to wipe that time. a DRK was main tanking and died. I picked it up and held both hands until the tornado phase. I got seven commendations out of it, when it was all over. I've never gotten that many before.
 

Omni

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Oh my god

Was just in the Aery just now. Other three people were in a party together I suppose? Anyway they were chatting away which is all and well but every single time, the tank would literally just stop in his tracks and we'd be waiting minutes for him to type a response before we could continue the dungeon.
Obvious PS4 player
. And even then his responses were barely legible and just really stupid. He died during one pull and instead of raising or even running back to us from the start, he spends minutes writing "u gut em girl". Besides the point but you know

The others didn't seem to mind but come on. Buy a keyboard. Use discord or something. At least go in with a full party if you're gonna do that

I just quit. Not even worth it
 

kagamin

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Shahed

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I just had an "alt bonus" ask in A12s farm if they had to stack after soaking for incinerating heat. Yup, that was the death knell for his "I cleared on another character multiple times" lie.
Well it can happen. I main a WAR so I never stacked for Incinerating Heat. When I cleared it as a MNK and took first puddle, I forgot to stack for that same reason. Well I only made that mistake once and I'll likely never do it again, but it's possible.

On a related note how are A12s farms these days? I unsubbed over a month ago and was sitting on 7 tokens. Would like to keep 8 for Samurai weapon, and DRG/PLD weapons would be nice. Does 10% Echo make much difference?
 

RPGCrazied

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Neat, got the Cloud attire. I really need to come play more, still haven't finished the Heavensward campaign. lol

I'm at the last dungeon I think.
 

Shahed

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it's 15% now

Lol. That's like constantly having a better Balance and Bole on all the time. Even my very loose half half hearted static with no DRG, AST, MCH or BRD cleared before second puddles. Assuming a half decent group, A12 farms should be pretty easy I guess. It's A11 with random skips that will mess up cooldown timings I can see being awkward at times
 

Omni

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Lol. That's like constantly having a better Balance and Bole on all the time. Even my very loose half half hearted static with no DRG, AST, MCH or BRD cleared before second puddles. Assuming a half decent group, A12 farms should be pretty easy I guess. It's A11 with random skips that will mess up cooldown timings I can see being awkward at times

You'd think so

but wait until you join pugs with ~1400dps DPS and are dealing with third puddles. Don't underestimate the bad that's out there
 

Shahed

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You'd think so

but wait until you join pugs with ~1400dps DPS and are dealing with third puddles. Don't underestimate the bad that's out there
1400? I get told I hit that on my WAR without echo and with the above bad party synergy, and I'm by no means a good WAR. I mean I'd say I'm a pretty casual raider, I don't use Potions and as a PS4 player I never bother looking at ACT or FFlogs to see where I can improve. How can actual DPS not do better with echo? I thought those players would hit a wall in A11


Well, if the guy wasn't so "in my face" about begging to stay on his alt I would have believed him probably. The fact he died though made it impossible to let him stay cause he asked about a mechanic having cleared supposedly. I guess it happens but y'know i'd prefer not to sacrifice my party. A12S farms are pretty terrible atm and I really don't think they are worth the time. I have everything from there now except 3 weapons for classes I dont even play. I will try to get more pages for RDM as I want to main that in SB but if I can't do it oh well.

Also, not related to above but we wiped at palace floor 187 last night and it really was heartbreaking. However, my team didn't disband so we are going to go at it again soon enough. One guy in my party got the palace mount a 3rd time... I was very angry lol cause I just want to sell that thing. I feel like floor 180 plus is the hardest. Those damn Chimeras will catch anyone offguard and that's why we wiped. People forgot to get out for ram and in for voice. At least we know it now!

I've joined a few farm parties and asked if I could come with bonus, mainly when I didn't raid and was catching up. I was always upfront about and, said I knew exactly what I was doing and told them to kick me if I obviously wasn't ready, and largely that's always gone well for me, althought it helps that I'm a tank. So when a 'bonus' or Alt joins, if the rest of the party is okay with it and the person seems honest enough I'll give them a chance. It doesn't take long to realise if they know what to do or not, usually within a minute or so. With those who try to sneak in, I'm quick to leave the duty. And damn A12 really that bad? We didn't even see third puddles during progression. We wiped during second until we cleared.
 
Well it can happen. I main a WAR so I never stacked for Incinerating Heat. When I cleared it as a MNK and took first puddle, I forgot to stack for that same reason. Well I only made that mistake once and I'll likely never do it again, but it's possible.

On a related note how are A12s farms these days? I unsubbed over a month ago and was sitting on 7 tokens. Would like to keep 8 for Samurai weapon, and DRG/PLD weapons would be nice. Does 10% Echo make much difference?

Well, if the guy wasn't so "in my face" about begging to stay on his alt I would have believed him probably. The fact he died though made it impossible to let him stay cause he asked about a mechanic having cleared supposedly. I guess it happens but y'know i'd prefer not to sacrifice my party. A12S farms are pretty terrible atm and I really don't think they are worth the time. I have everything from there now except 3 weapons for classes I dont even play. I will try to get more pages for RDM as I want to main that in SB but if I can't do it oh well. Also, mechanics > dps, imo. We have parties with super high dps skipping first TB but can't do mechanics for shite.

Also, not related to above but we wiped at palace floor 187 last night and it really was heartbreaking. However, my team didn't disband so we are going to go at it again soon enough. One guy in my party got the palace mount a 3rd time... I was very angry lol cause I just want to sell that thing. I feel like floor 180 plus is the hardest. Those damn Chimeras will catch anyone offguard and that's why we wiped. People forgot to get out for ram and in for voice. At least we know it now! Anything on the last sets of floors are harder than raids. It's insane xD
 

RPGCrazied

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Looked at Stormblood info, and the Samurai looks really cool to play as does the Red Mage. I'm glad its not healing/tanking jobs this time, so I can try both.

Probably a dumb question, but can you start the Stormblood stuff without finishing the Heavensward campaign?
 

Shahed

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Looked at Stormblood info, and the Samurai looks really cool to play as does the Red Mage. I'm glad its not healing/tanking jobs this time, so I can try both.

Probably a dumb question, but can you start the Stormblood stuff without finishing the Heavensward campaign?
No. It's like ARR > Heavensward
 

iammeiam

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FFXIV invests basically zero time and energy into teaching players how to play well, or providing players feedback within the game itself on how they're actually performing. The game doesn't attempt to teach you basic rotations, doesn't ever really stress the importance of riding the GCD (which remains one of the biggest causes of the DPS gap--a lot of people flat-out just don't push buttons as often as they could), and is set up to insulate players from ever really failing and feeling like what they're doing is wrong. Occasionally it just outright teaches bad habits--Hall of the Novice yells at DPS for multi dotting. SSS dummies are better than nothing but are inconsistent across jobs and don't provide context.

Like, yes PF and DF can be pretty bad, but given the zero effort FFXIV invests in helping players not be bad or even giving them a way to know they are bad it's not really surprising.

With unlock and 11 being the cluster that it is, I'd guess that a lot of people PFing Savage post-echo just skip it. Which is a pity in that 11's the best Creator fight, but also makes sense because it's the fight that is going to be the most confusing to do with inconsistent DPS.


Probably a dumb question, but can you start the Stormblood stuff without finishing the Heavensward campaign?

New areas and content are story locked but the new jobs will be in old areas and only require being at least level 50 and owning SB.
 

Shahed

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FFXIV invests basically zero time and energy into teaching players how to play well, or providing players feedback within the game itself on how they're actually performing. The game doesn't attempt to teach you basic rotations, doesn't ever really stress the importance of riding the GCD (which remains one of the biggest causes of the DPS gap--a lot of people flat-out just don't push buttons as often as they could), and is set up to insulate players from ever really failing and feeling like what they're doing is wrong. Occasionally it just outright teaches bad habits--Hall of the Novice yells at DPS for multi dotting. SSS dummies are better than nothing but are inconsistent across jobs and don't provide context.

Like, yes PF and DF can be pretty bad, but given the zero effort FFXIV invests in helping players not be bad or even giving them a way to know they are bad it's not really surprising.

With unlock and 11 being the cluster that it is, I'd guess that a lot of people PFing Savage post-echo just skip it. Which is a pity in that 11's the best Creator fight, but also makes sense because it's the fight that is going to be the most confusing to do with inconsistent DPS.




New areas and content are story locked but the new jobs will be in old areas and only require being at least level 50 and owning SB.

They really could use a Hall of the Intermediate and Hall of the Advanced. Maybe lock Extreme Primals behind completion of the former and Savage Raids the latter. With a lot of players it's just that they don't even know they are bad and how to prioritise buffs, debuffs and DoTs properly. It's why as a PS4 player I want a parser even if it's personal use only just to see how I'm doing. Dungeons and story mode trials arw so easy that less capable players just see that they are finishing content perfectly fine and they they don't need to get better, which is true since the game doesn't require it off you. Think 24 mans and how many people get carried. Sometimes it can be an absolute slog, but with a half decent group everything is so easy and just melts.

The game doesn't teach you how to play at all, and makes the majority of content so easy that players think they are good enough with no idea how subpar they actually are. I remember when light farms in A1s there was a slow run and a random DPS told the party leader to kick one of three tanks. They just replied that all three tanks were doing more damage than them and to shut up lol

And I forgot about Savage unlock. I assumed everyone in A12 had cleared A11. I can see why there'd be issues now. You could do A9-10 which are so easy and skip right to A12 and ignore the learning curve. It reminds me back in the day when telling people to handle things like in Titan Ex, onky to get the response they never cleared it.



Guess I have to finish it then. I really hate the forced dungeoning this game has to experience the story.

It was worse in ARR, especially with the two dungeons in the Main Story Roulette. They learned from that and Heavensward is done a lot better. How are you finding the it? I thought ARR main story was decent but not all that. But I found Heavnsward fantastic and one of my favourite FF stories.
 

RPGCrazied

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It was worse in ARR, especially with the two dungeons in the Main Story Roulette. They learned from that and Heavensward is done a lot better. How are you finding the it? I thought ARR main story was decent but not all that. But I found Heavnsward fantastic and one of my favourite FF stories.

Yeah, I like the story. It probably is the best story in an MMO period. HS was great, just don't like being forced playing with other players to see the story.

And the cutscenes, don't forget those. They are better then some single player games out there!
 
It's why as a PS4 player I want a parser even if it's personal use only just to see how I'm doing.

I'm a fulltime ps4 player as well and as much as i'd love a parser for my own, it just isn't worth it with how toxic the community is. The number one thing I try to avoid are people that parse religiously and are so obsessed about numbers to the point they take a shite on others because they are so elite, etc. Look, I don't have a problem with personal performance and if people are trying to help you get better but if people use numbers to put people down, I think that's where this ends for me. Many people just want to have a good time in the game and are casual. I don't think an in game parser would do any good for those people knowing they will become targets on the server for their "bad dps". Like, when I raid... I really don't care about my personal dps since I'm an Astrologian. If I can pull a medium amount while keeping everyone alive, that is super fine to me. I put my melds to good use and I by no means have to dps full time in a fight. On my blm I try to raid in pugs but those aren't any good indication of my performance either because most of the time people kill me or some stupid thing like that. Therefore, we aren't ever going to get parsers.
 

Shahed

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Yeah, I like the story. It probably is the best story in an MMO period. HS was great, just don't like being forced playing with other players to see the story.

And the cutscenes, don't forget those. They are better then some single player games out there!
Not much that can be done about that with it being an MMO and all. How far along are you? My favourite bit was the whole climax at the end of 3.3. When you say you need to finish it all, do you the intial Heavensward through 3.0 and ending in the quest title 'Heavensward', or the full story including patches up to 3.5 Part 2? I haven't finished the part 2 update of 3.5 yet since I've been unsubbed. Just popped in this thread since I'm gonna do the free 4 day period now.

Heavensward story is awesome, and I want to recommend it to more players and fans of single player FF's. It's a tall order though with it being an MMO, and needing to go through all of ARR first was well


I'm a fulltime ps4 player as well and as much as i'd love a parser for my own, it just isn't worth it with how toxic the community is. The number one thing I try to avoid are people that parse religiously and are so obsessed about numbers to the point they take a shite on others because they are so elite, etc. Look, I don't have a problem with personal performance and if people are trying to help you get better but if people use numbers to put people down, I think that's where this ends for me. Many people just want to have a good time in the game and are casual. I don't think an in game parser would do any good for those people knowing they will become targets on the server for their "bad dps". Like, when I raid... I really don't care about my personal dps since I'm an Astrologian. If I can pull a medium amount while keeping everyone alive, that is super fine to me. I put my melds to good use and I by no means have to dps full time in a fight. On my blm I try to raid in pugs but those aren't any good indication of my performance either because most of the time people kill me or some stupid thing like that. Therefore, we aren't ever going to get parsers.


I definitely understand that and agree to a large extent. Shaming is already an issue. Heck some people are so obsessed with being optimal and having the best that they do stuff like rejecting MNK slots in a party because they heard they're bad. I look at these and I'm like, I've cleared A12 as a MNK, yet I'm not good enough for your random Primal farm party. Then there was the whole crazy during Zurvan and people rejecting other players out of hand by checking FFLogs first. Even though I don't use it, FFlogs csn be a good tool if done right. But the way it is I think it's a cancer to the community. As far as I'm concerned if I can clear a raid easy enough with no hassle, then that's fine. Any extra DPS is a bonus, but not a requirement.

But that's why I say personal parser just do have a rough idea where I am. Don't need to see other people ane vice versa.
 

RPGCrazied

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Not much that can be done about that with it being an MMO and all. How far along are you? My favourite bit was the whole climax at the end of 3.3. When you say you need to finish it all, do you the intial Heavensward through 3.0 and ending in the quest title 'Heavensward', or the full story including patches up to 3.5 Part 2? I haven't finished the part 2 update of 3.5 yet since I've been unsubbed. Just popped in this thread since I'm gonna do the free 4 day period now.

I'm assuming am at the very end, the quest is called Heavensward, lol.

I have to do the Aetherochemical Research Facility dungeon.
 
This game is not casual in the sense that it's easy to learn but hard to master where the game teaches you how to properly perform then the rest is up to you.

It's casual in the sense that they tell you very little, give you no ways to track performance other than using third party tools if you are on PC.

It's expected that the people who know what they are doing will carry those who don't so it's not necessary to teach them how to play.

A lot of content would be unbeatable if not for people who work out best rotations outside of the game and if not for people who personally want to do better despite the game making it difficult for them to do so.

A group of people who only know what the game teaches will be unable to clear anything that isn't face roll story/job missions and outgeared dungeons/trials.

Will SB changes fix this? Probably not. There's still no way to see how well you are doing so without that there's no incentive to change and get better other than the player's personality type.
 

Shahed

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I'm assuming am at the very end, the quest is called Heavensward, lol.

I have to do the Aetherochemical Research Facility dungeon.

Oh so you're just about to finish 3.0? As for unlocking Stormblood, you'll have to do all the main story through the end of 3.5 as well. The story maintains the highs of Heavensward and even exceeds what you've seen so far. The conclusion of 3.3 is just amazing.
 

DrForester

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lot of content would be unbeatable if not for people who work out best rotations outside of the game and if not for people who personally want to do better despite the game making it difficult for them to do so.

I don't think this is really true for anything but pre-echo savage. Raids and dungeons provide a challenge, but not challenges that require specific rotations beyond normal job rotations.

Even EX Primal don't require so much specific job rotations as just learning the mechanics of the fight.
 

Edzi

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I am absolutely loving Dark Knight. So is it just me, or is it kind of encouraged to not have Grit on all the time? Is this also a thing I can do with Warrior? I've always been using tank stance, and I never considered going at it with tank stance off for more damage while keeping aggro.
 
I definitely understand that and agree to a large extent. Shaming is already an issue. Heck some people are so obsessed with being optimal and having the best that they do stuff like rejecting MNK slots in a party because they heard they're bad. I look at these and I'm like, I've cleared A12 as a MNK, yet I'm not good enough for your random Primal farm party. Then there was the whole crazy during Zurvan and people rejecting other players out of hand by checking FFLogs first. Even though I don't use it, FFlogs csn be a good tool if done right. But the way it is I think it's a cancer to the community. As far as I'm concerned if I can clear a raid easy enough with no hassle, then that's fine. Any extra DPS is a bonus, but not a requirement.

But that's why I say personal parser just do have a rough idea where I am. Don't need to see other people ane vice versa.

Yes, I know what you are talking about and have seen it. I've seen tanks rage quit because the bard's dps was low or something like that. In Zurvan everyone wanted to skip soar which is why they checked fflogs like children. Join one of those parties and you were called a shitter no matter what percentile you placed. If it wasn't 90+ you weren't good enough, etc. I agree wholeheartedly with you. I look at myself in raids and say as long as I know it; I think to myself and ask why should I care? After all, everything has to be perfect. Not many tanks know when to use CDS in PUGS and there are a lot more issues. If someone rage quits just because they saw low dps when we are still able to clear, they are just dumb players, IMO. This game is about having fun in the long run and if you really want to get better I don't think anyone should be in PUGS with that mindset.
 
Hey guys, I played this 3 years ago and got a character to level 20, should I create a new character or proceed with my current one? I remember next to nothing about the story, or even how to play, but my friend suggests that I should go with my current character and select a new class or something.

Any thoughts?
 
Hey guys, I played this 3 years ago and got a character to level 20, should I create a new character or proceed with my current one? I remember next to nothing about the story, or even how to play, but my friend suggests that I should go with my current character and select a new class or something.

Any thoughts?
It doesn't really matter, you can remake your character if you want to change its appearance or name and level 20 is something you can get in a couple hours but otherwise there's no reason to since the game doesn't lock you out of anything.
 

RPGCrazied

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Hey guys, I played this 3 years ago and got a character to level 20, should I create a new character or proceed with my current one? I remember next to nothing about the story, or even how to play, but my friend suggests that I should go with my current character and select a new class or something.

Any thoughts?

What advanced job do you want to play?
 

RK9039

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Finishing up on the post HW story, it's pretty damn good. I think I'm battling Niddhog for the last time.

Is Palace of the Dead soloable with a Warrior? Half of my gear is item i170 and I heard I can eventually get an i235 weapon from there.
 

Haly

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Finishing up on the post HW story, it's pretty damn good. I think I'm battling Niddhog for the last time.

Is Palace of the Dead soloable with a Warrior? Half of my gear is item i170 and I heard I can eventually get an i235 weapon from there.

You should do it with a matched party, it's faster and your out of POTD ilvl doesn't matter. It uses its own internal ilvl system.

But yes it's soloable.
 
It doesn't really matter, you can remake your character if you want to change its appearance or name and level 20 is something you can get in a couple hours but otherwise there's no reason to since the game doesn't lock you out of anything.

Cool beans, but what about the story? Am I missing out on anything if I'm just "jumping in" where I left off, considering I don't remember much?

What advanced job do you want to play?

I should look into that, since I have no idea, but what effect does it have on my choice in this matter?
 

SkyOdin

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Cool beans, but what about the story? Am I missing out on anything if I'm just "jumping in" where I left off, considering I don't remember much?



I should look into that, since I have no idea, but what effect does it have on my choice?

At level 20, you should just be leaving the basic introduction of characters and plot elements. The story hasn't really taken off in full yet. You can also reread the story summaries in your quest journal and re-watch cutscenes in an inn to get back up to speed.
 

dabig2

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Finishing up on the post HW story, it's pretty damn good. I think I'm battling Niddhog for the last time.

Is Palace of the Dead soloable with a Warrior? Half of my gear is item i170 and I heard I can eventually get an i235 weapon from there.

You should do it with a matched party, it's faster and your out of POTD ilvl doesn't matter. It uses its own internal ilvl system.

But yes it's soloable.

Yup, it's way way way faster doing a matched party. I did solo with my WAR for floors 1-10 and it was a boring slog. I couldn't imagine doing solo on the higher floors.

Playing with a matched party, which usually takes less than a minute to form depending on server activity, was actually a fun breeze all the way up to floor 100. Lots of party combinations that you usually don't get to play with.
 
Also, if you're just wanting to speed level, make sure you go into the DF settings and check the 'join party in progress' box. There's no greater feeling than queuing into a group at floor 59 and getting the same amount of experience for a fraction of the time.
 

SolVanderlyn

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Jumped back on this for the free three days. Level 38 Warrior now. Thinking of using my Fantasia to change from Au Ra to Elezen. Y/N?
 

Shahed

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Even more?? I'm guessing more dungeons in there too huh? Ugh.
I think there's like 10 extra dungeons released after 3.0 so you'll have to do a minimum of 5 for story purposes, 1 each patch. There's the odd story trial or two you'll also have to do in a group as well through to the end. Have you recognised the quest icon difference betweej main story and sidequests? Well there's one in between for more important sidequests with their own stories. Personally if you can I'd try and do the Alexander normal story mode in Iddylshire and the Warring Triad in Mor Dhona, and Mhach with Diabolos in Sea of Clouds but they will involve more Trials. More than them, I highly recommend doing the ARR Coil of Bahamut unsync, the story is really good there. Just say you are bonus or something, and the same for whwn doing Alexander story mode.

The issue you'll have now though is gear. I'm assuming you started/finished ARR after Heavensward was released. What they added was to give you gear during the main story quests. You won't get that this time. So what will happen is you'll do the final main dungeon now at a guess off rough item level of i150. To just be allowed into the final dungeon of the main story in later patches I think you'll need to get to ~i240. That can be done in a lot of ways. Having friends or people you know to buy gear for you, or guide you through the content where you can get them as loot will help a lot. There's loads of guides on the Web to help if you wanna look around, but if you want I can post a brief summary.

Yeah gearing up is annoying. I had the same issue when just playing ARR for the first time. Depending on what you've done so far and how you levelled up you might already have stuff you can exchange for gear or be on the way there. However ultimately in the end it is an MMO and a lot of the quicker and more efficient methods will involve playing with other people and doing dungeons and Trials with them. It's the nature of the beast. Heck my favourite moment in all of FFXIV follows a story Trial with 7 other people that at the time a lot people just weren't good enough for and I think to this day there's still a lot of bitterness and rage whenever that duty pops up in a roulette

Jumped back on this for the free three days. Level 38 Warrior now. Thinking of using my Fantasia to change from Au Ra to Elezen. Y/N?
No. Go become a Female Highlander. Best race in the game. Or don't since having too many of us will ruin it
 

Luigi87

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Okay working through 2.55 and doing the Tataru quest... Yes... Just yes.

Also I do love how there are varying dialogues if you've completed class quests (IE: since being a SCH, how Thubygreim makes mention of the player character being an Arcanist)
 
Finally get the Ravana birb, two down.

Studying Thordan, Nidd, and Seph EX. Will tackle them before focusing on Soph and Zurv EX.

Though I clearned Thordan EX, I found myself forgetting some of the mechanics. Thankfully the MTQ video makes it easier to follow than the other ones I've watched. Just have to get better at it.

Seph EX isn't too bad, just have to remember how to position yourself on some things. Poor healers have their work cut out for them.

Nidhogg's tether phase has screwed me up at times. I'll have a red tether, run towards a blue orb and suddenly the tether changes to blue as it blows up healing the needle. It's so frustrating.
 
Nidhogg's tether phase has screwed me up at times. I'll have a red tether, run towards a blue orb and suddenly the tether changes to blue as it blows up healing the needle. It's so frustrating.

That doesn't happen, like, at all.

The tethers only change after the stack mechanic, which is after the blue orbs explode (either through a red tether popping them or them just reaching the blue fang and exploding on everyone)

You likely thought you were red because you were jumbled with another player, and did not realize you were actually blue.

Look at your debuff, not the tether.
 

Edzi

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Mounts are purely aesthetic right? I remember reading about all the grinding you have to do to get some of the rarer mounts, and I'm wondering if there's any real incentive to go through that outside of looks.

I'm pretty content with just riding my Chocobo, seeing as this is still first and foremost a Final Fantasy game for me.
 
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