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[effzee]

Is every kid on the show an only child? I have yet to see a sibling. Is this a town requirement?

I haven't seen it all yet so don't spoil me if the answer is to be found in the remaining episodes but I really don't get the

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Jess - Hanah relationship. Or Hannah and that jock she dates on tape 1. So he spreads and backs up a rumor that he banged her but then we get nothing. Did they break up? Yes obviously but then there is no follow-up. Next thing you know they both moved on.

Jess is even worse. Jess seems to be similar in that she is smart, funny, and overall detests HS life and all that it brings. But boom next scene she is a cheerleader going from Alex to jocks. Not only is going out with top dawg jock, he also happens to be the guy who spread rumors about Hanah. Rumors that Jess knows about cause that was one of the reasons the bonded over in the first place. Makes zero sense! Jess is a horrible person.

For that matter why did Jess and Alex start going behind Hanah's back? She had zero interest in Alex.

I get some things will be explained at the end. I am at the point Tony reveals he was at the scene of the suicide but some of it just seems complete character turns for the sake of the story.

 

[J2 Cool]

I'm surprised people are as positive about this as they are. I found it entirely intriguing from episode 1, going in blind. But pretty quickly, the show turned offensive.

When you're adding flimsy filler episodes, and dramatizing a suicide with exchanges like

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"Just tell me...did I kill Hannah Baker?" "Yes, Clay. You did."

it just strikes me incredibly irresponsible, childish, and self-important. Of COURSE they would

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depict the actual suicide.

It plays somewhat like a lengthy suicide episode of Friends of American Pie. With cute valentine's episodes in the middle of a suicide chronicle. There was certainly some good moments, but I don't think it's worth it to treat serious content such as suicide as lightly or stylishly as this, then try to revert back to "we're just a cold, realistic look at suicide". You can't have it both ways.

I totally get someone enjoying the show if you don't consider it too strongly. But I think to stop for a second, there's some real ethical questions about creative choices they made. I don't think the sensitive material was handled correctly at all. If you were going to make this show, you really have to start with "is a gimmicky, quirky, dramatized 13 episode series about suicide a responsible show to make. And how do we present the material if so"? And I don't know if they really lingered on that question long enough.

I also noticed, just looking into it now, some people have expressed similar feelings online and on twitter. Other people have mentioned the memes coming out online "welcome to your tape" are offensive, complaining that they trivialize suicidal thoughts. But I really think that began with the show itself...

 

[StrongBelwas]

So just finished this... some thoughts:

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The rape scene of hannah was horrific. I felt so uncomfortable. The suicide scene as well was extremely hard to watch.

The only thing is despite hannah being the victim.. the only point I teared up was when Jeff died.

Overall really enjoyed this, maybe enjoyed isn't the right word. But I'm sad it's over.

 

[blame space]

I thought it was kind of a mixed message when they implied that clay

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could have had a better chance at helping /saving Hannah if he would have ignored her words and not leave her alone.

Not saying that sometimes people don't say the opposite of what they want, but she was extremely clear that she didn't want him there.

 

[wiibomb]

I thought it was kind of a mixed message when they implied that clay

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could have had a better chance at helping /saving Hannah if he would have ignored her words and not leave her alone.

Not saying that sometimes people don't say the opposite of what they want, but she was extremely clear that she didn't want him there.

it was all in his mind, like the times when you would wish you could do anything better to prevent something.

I believe it was also very implied that Clay could say something or be a much better friend with hannah, but because of his introvert attitude he never said much or got angry and said things he didn't really explain.

the scene for me strikes more as a way of him realizing he could be better and he didn't, but as a whole.

BTW, I think you are right, he did absolutely right in leaving,

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she didn't want him there, but the shows never agrees with him not leaving, the scene is just a portrait of Clay's guilt, Tony even tells him he did right in leaving, he didn't knew all she was going through anyway.

 

[Puck Beaverton]

Something about this show irks me. I like it, but I don't like watching it. Maybe me being in a bad place mentally isn't helping.

 

[Syrus]

Finished it. Jesus christ this show tears you apart.

Love those around you people.

 

[Discotheque]

Something about this show irks me. I like it, but I don't like watching it. Maybe me being in a bad place mentally isn't helping.

have you ever seen Oslo August 31st? That shit will wear you down dude. Not that I recommend it considering where you say you are right now. Hope you feel better brah.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

This is a heavy show.

Some find it offensive, some find it insensitive, but it's something. You gotta give it that much.

 

[scream]

Watched it, didnt like it. too unrealistic.

 

[Kid Ying]

So just finished this... some thoughts:

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The rape scene of hannah was horrific. I felt so uncomfortable. The suicide scene as well was extremely hard to watch.

The only thing is despite hannah being the victim.. the only point I teared up was when Jeff died.

Overall really enjoyed this, maybe enjoyed isn't the right word. But I'm sad it's over.

Normal reaction. Jeff is awesome really.

And Clay did the right thing most of the time. Everyone says stuff that is the opposite of what they are thinking all the time. You can't blame someone for not reading their mind.

And i think Clay was, overall, a good friend for Hannah. He said some dumb shit sometimes, but also was the one who treated her with the most respect on the course of the series. Also was the one who interacted the most with her, being on the job or in school. If it wasn't for

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their fight after Jeff's passing alway the series would probably have a different ending. In fact, he even tried to fix things with her, but it was already too late by this time.

When we lost someone that was important in our lifes, we always blame ourselves, but i don't think Clay could have done something else without changing his character.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

Finished this last night, thought it was terrible.

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In amongst the tedious storytelling there is an important message, but it's lost against the needlessly complex and unrealistic character interactions.

The constant switching between present and past was dizzying (they used the cut on Clays head as a reference for the audience).

Why did it take so long for Clay to listen to the tapes? For someone so clearly obsessed, he casually listens to them so that each episode is perfectly staged for television.

It took so long for things to finally happen, only for the last episode to do the old 'this will need another season' routine; resolve the main story but leave us wanting more. Except, it was lazy.

Where on earth did the suicide attempt from Alex come from? There was no precursor to this at all, there were other characters who could have been in his place (Justin/Bryce).

Why was Tony so important to Hannah, enough to be the keeper of the tapes and ultimately​ Clay's babysitter? Her relationship with Tony was never fleshed out, not once did the show suggest they had a special bond. He was on her list with a question mark beside his name, that's it.

I could go on and on with a list of things that just didn't make sense, but in the end I didn't really care about Hannah. The suicide wasn't a surprise (albeit graphic), and instead of feeling sympathy for her I felt like no-one under any circumstance could ever make things better. She treated Clay as badly as anyone treated her (Bryce being the exception), and pushed everyone else away when they tried to get close. She was un-loveable.

 

[Lender]

Where on earth did the suicide attempt from Alex come from?

Wasn't that the whole point? There were obvious signs in retro hand but we didn't see really pay attention to them since we were all focussed on Hannah. Alex was clearly guilt ridden, probably the most of everyone and he wanted to take responsibility for that, but every time he wanted to he couldn't. (The subpoena for example). I think he just couldn't take it anymore

 

[Doffen]

This was rough to watch.

 

[Skid 4 Dead]

So for the life of me i'll never understand why

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Hannah would go to Bryce's party. Some one who she KNOWS is a rapist. A man who has grabbed her ass (sexual assult) and made other sexual/negative comments to and about her. Why the fuck would you go to that guys house?!

Ridiculous.

 

[Baraka in the White House]

So for the life of me i'll never understand why

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Hannah would go to Bryce's party. Some one who she KNOWS is a rapist. A man who has grabbed her ass (sexual assult) and made other sexual/negative comments to and about her. Why the fuck would you go to that guys house?!

Ridiculous.

Did she know whose house it was? It sounded like she just got drawn to the commotion there after wandering up the road a ways.

Pretty sure she'd have avoided it like the plague if she knew it was his house.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

Wasn't that the whole point? There were obvious signs in retro hand but we didn't see really pay attention to them since we were all focussed on Hannah. Alex was clearly guilt ridden, probably the most of everyone and he wanted to take responsibility for that, but every time he wanted to he couldn't. (The subpoena for example). I think he just couldn't take it anymore

I'm not sure why Alex was guilt ridden, what did he actually do to Hannah directly?

It made much more sense for Justin or Bryce to do it.

Did she know whose house it was? It sounded like she just got drawn to the commotion there after wandering up the road a ways.

Pretty sure she'd have avoided it like the plague if she knew it was his house.

Even if she didn't know initially, the first person she met was Bryce beside the pool. She should have made a quick exit.

So many inconsistencies in the show, and I feel some reviewers are glossing over them and just concentrating on the controversial suicide scene.

 

[StrongBelwas]

he casually listens to them so that each episode is perfectly staged for television.

You're criticising a TV show for crafting their episodes in the perfect fashion to show on TV?

Also Alex is guilt ridden clearly from the first time he's introduced in the present time. He has that whole talk about how he thought he was a good guy but actually he was an asshole. That can be hard to deal with and as the show goes on he clearly finds it harder and harder to deal with and clearly seeks done kind of punishment. But he doesn't get suspended from school.. his dad is gonna get him out off the subpoena thing. It's not really like it came out of nowhere.


In fact you suggest8ng Bryce should be the one who shoots himself suggests to me you didn't get the show at all. Bryce has no remorse and doesn't feel he did anything wrong.

 

[RedAssedApe]

I'm not sure why Alex was guilt ridden, what did he actually do to Hannah directly?

the list? basically threw her under the bus

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to get in with bryce and the "cool kids". snowballed into rumors of her being the reason alex and jessica broke up and further slut shaming (i.e. jessica wouldn't give it up, hannah slept with alex and that's why he put her on the list as best ass)

 

[Nafai1123]

Well, GF and I just finished watching it last night. We're both very happy it's over. I think the show had some good messages, for those who are suicidal or may know someone who is, in regards to how it can be prevented. I do have issue with drawing some of the revelations out and characters making unrealistic decisions all for the sake of the progression of the show. It hurt the show early on, and we almost stopped watching because of it.

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The rapes and suicide were extremely hard to watch, but I do not necessarily think they were excessive. I think it was important for the show to portray those really hard scenes to help the viewer sympathize with Hannah. I felt that she was un-relatable until very late in the season because as the viewer I had already passed some character judgement on her. Without those scenes I think it's harder to sympathize with her and her ultimate decision.

I thought they did a good job building relatable characters, except for Bryce obviously. Characters like Justin who you hate to start off become sympathetic even if what he did is unforgivable. I thought he was going to be the one that killed himself.

Jeff's death hit hard. While everyone was scheming, gossiping and throwing each other under the bus all in the name of popularity, Jeff was a beacon of light. He was the epitome of how someone can be popular AND good.

You cannot blame Clay for Hannah's death. He was absolutely right to leave when she asked him to. You cannot make a point about consent and at the same time make the argument that what someone wants should be ignored. She wanted him to leave, so he left.

I think the show did a good job of showing the emotional immaturity of teenagers. I related to Clay a lot as I feel like I was the same type of teenager. Aloof, not exactly popular but not a loner either. I too was completely oblivious most of the time.

I have no interest in a second season. It's completely unnecessary.

 

[Fortinbras]

the list?

Yes.

Alex made sense, his actions are also explained in the documentary.

 

[#sorrynotsorry]

Finished this last night, thought it was terrible.

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The constant switching between present and past was dizzying (they used the cut on Clays head as a reference for the audience).

It wasn't dizzying at all thanks to that cut. I think this show did it perfectly. It literally could not have been done better.

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Why did it take so long for Clay to listen to the tapes? For someone so clearly obsessed, he casually listens to them so that each episode is perfectly staged for television.

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That is addressed multiple times in the show and it fits with his character quite well. He has a very difficult time listening to more than one at once. It disgusts him and he needs time to sit and process it. He wants to investigate and fully understand. You can't do that if you're binge listening to all of them. He's obsessed because he's deeply hurt. That makes it hard to face.

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It took so long for things to finally happen, only for the last episode to do the old 'this will need another season' routine; resolve the main story but leave us wanting more. Except, it was lazy.

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It wasn't lazy. That is how TV works. This wasn't a movie, and frankly a movie wouldn't have been able to handle it better. There are far, far too many characters with far too many strings to tie them all together. They tied Hannah and Clay. That's what the show is really all about. It's all that matters. It would have been an issue if that was a cliffhanger.

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Where on earth did the suicide attempt from Alex come from? There was no precursor to this at all, there were other characters who could have been in his place (Justin/Bryce).

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He was seriously depressed and almost killed himself in the pool. He displays no regard for his personal welfare (speeding in the car as everyone tells him to slow down and being willing to tell everyone the truth about everything at his own expense). This was telegraphed from a mile away.

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Why was Tony so important to Hannah, enough to be the keeper of the tapes and ultimately​ Clay's babysitter? Her relationship with Tony was never fleshed out, not once did the show suggest they had a special bond. He was on her list with a question mark beside his name, that's it.

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That's a next season thing. The show doesn't say because Tony doesn't have a tape. We don't know much about her relationship with anyone else. Even her parents really.

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She treated Clay as badly as anyone treated her (Bryce being the exception), and pushed everyone else away when they tried to get close. She was un-loveable.

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She was a teenage girl with her own thoughts and feelings. They all do that. That doesn't make someone unlovable. And she certainly didn't treat Clay worse. She wanted him and was his friend when few others were. Especially after summer when she realized he was exactly what she'd want. He messed things up at the beginning by saying or doing the wrong thing at the wrong time, but ultimately she treated him quite well.

She didn't push away other people. She fought for them. Basically all of them except Bryce (obviously). She was forgiving and clearly wanted to make things better. She tried to revive her friendships with the other characters multiple times. They pushed her away, not the other way around.

The point is that she needed love too. As they say in the show, any one of these people doing the right thing might have been enough to swing her away from suicide. That's the entire point of the show - anything you can do to help someone can make the difference. That's also true in reality. It's a very good message.

 

[RedAssedApe]

another thing to keep in mind. clay was visiting many of the locations while listening to and processing the tapes. high school didn't stop for him...he still needs to get done the other things he needs to get down (off camera of course)

clay was keeping it old school...no binging lol

 

[Cody_D165]

Just finished the show yesterday. What a ride.

One minor thing:

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Did I imagine a scene where Justin takes a gun from his house before he leaves? Because I'm pretty sure it happened, but nothing ever really came out of that particular moment. I honestly thought he was going to kill Bryce when he sees him in that final scene between the two

 

[Moff]

Just finished the show yesterday. What a ride.

One minor thing:

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Did I imagine a scene where Justin takes a gun from his house before he leaves? Because I'm pretty sure it happened, but nothing ever really came out of that particular moment. I honestly thought he was going to kill Bryce when he sees him in that final scene between the two

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I think that was just a red herring because we were supposed to guess who was shot and why

 

[wiibomb]

Just finished the show yesterday. What a ride.

One minor thing:

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Did I imagine a scene where Justin takes a gun from his house before he leaves? Because I'm pretty sure it happened, but nothing ever really came out of that particular moment. I honestly thought he was going to kill Bryce when he sees him in that final scene between the two

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I think that was just a red herring because we were supposed to guess who was shot and why

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I still have a theory he could have shot Alex..

however that might not be true, that is left as a cliffhanger for a possible second season if it ever happens

 

[Doffen]

There shouldn't be a second season of this.

 

[Sane_Man]

I just binged this over two nights. I really liked the show but also kinda wish I'd never watched it... I can't remember feeling that way before.

 

[Puck Beaverton]

have you ever seen Oslo August 31st? That shit will wear you down dude. Not that I recommend it considering where you say you are right now. Hope you feel better brah.

Thanks. It sounds like a movie I would be into.

Also everything involving the dance in episode 5 is muy bueno. There is nothing greater than the what-if scenario. Also Elliott Smith!

 

[Sunster]

Is every kid on the show an only child? I have yet to see a sibling. Is this a town requirement?

I haven't seen it all yet so don't spoil me if the answer is to be found in the remaining episodes but I really don't get the

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Jess - Hanah relationship. Or Hannah and that jock she dates on tape 1. So he spreads and backs up a rumor that he banged her but then we get nothing. Did they break up? Yes obviously but then there is no follow-up. Next thing you know they both moved on.

Jess is even worse. Jess seems to be similar in that she is smart, funny, and overall detests HS life and all that it brings. But boom next scene she is a cheerleader going from Alex to jocks. Not only is going out with top dawg jock, he also happens to be the guy who spread rumors about Hanah. Rumors that Jess knows about cause that was one of the reasons the bonded over in the first place. Makes zero sense! Jess is a horrible person.

For that matter why did Jess and Alex start going behind Hanah's back? She had zero interest in Alex.

I get some things will be explained at the end. I am at the point Tony reveals he was at the scene of the suicide but some of it just seems complete character turns for the sake of the story.

Zach has a younger sister

Just finished the show yesterday. What a ride.

One minor thing:

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Did I imagine a scene where Justin takes a gun from his house before he leaves? Because I'm pretty sure it happened, but nothing ever really came out of that particular moment. I honestly thought he was going to kill Bryce when he sees him in that final scene between the two

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he was planning on killing Bryce. but then Jessica told him it wouldn't make a difference to her and to stay away from her. So after that he didn't have the motivation to actually do it.

 

[Agent_Carnage]

There shouldn't be a second season of this.

But there is many unanswered questions.

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Will Bryce get arrested for his rapes of Hannah and Jessica. Will the Baker family win in court against the school.
Will Alex survive. What will happen with Tyler and his stash of guns and pipe bombs?

I really liked the show binged the last 8 episodes last night. It did feel like it sagged in the middle but overall it was quite gripping.

 

[Scoobert]

I've been sick past couple days and binged the whole show in those two days, I need to watch the last episode again because is it possible...

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that Tyler killed Alex? He has photographs of everyone which I assume he wants to target but he took Alex's picture down. Did he take it down because he felt Alex was being nice to him or because he shot him already?

Am I overreaching on that one?

 

[DOWN]

There should not be a second season. I hope there's not an "

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Alex's

13 Reasons Why" just because they didn't exposition every thread to an on screen end. The important thread of Clay + Hannah + Her Tapes was concluded

 

[Alienfan]

I've been sick past couple days and binged the whole show in those two days, I need to watch the last episode again because is it possible...

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that Tyler killed Alex? He has photographs of everyone which I assume he wants to target but he took Alex's picture down. Did he take it down because he felt Alex was being nice to him or because he shot him already?

Am I overreaching on that one?

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That was my take away as well.
I mean why else show the guns? I really hope they never make a season two if the planned premise is "Tyler is now a serial killer"

 

[effzee]

Zach has a younger sister

Yeah literally the next episode they show some siblings.

I feel stupid but I didn't see

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Jeff dying coming at all until the episode about the party.
Even though he is only shown in the flashbacks and there was a short mention of losing 2 students in a short amount of time.

I also have to admit these last two episodes, 11 & 12, were tough to watch and I am dreading the last one where I assume they show her commit suicide.
Some of the acting is rather good

 

[TTOOLL]

I haven't watched this and I don't plan doing so, but we're having some trouble at the school I teach because of this TV show. The institution even produced a document to parents alerting that this show does not deal with the topic in a responsible way, which may cause problems to youngsters watching it like making feel more depressed or something.

What do you guys think about it?

 

[sixteen-bit]

There shouldn't be a second season of this.

13 more reasons breh

 

[Brazil]

I haven't watched this and I don't plan doing so, but we're having some trouble at the school I teach because of this TV show. The institution even produced a document to parents alerting that this show does not deal with the topic in a responsible way, which may cause problems to youngsters watching it like making feel more depressed or something.

What do you guys think about it?

It's an amazing show for people who don't have suicidal thoughts or who were bullies in their childhood/teen years.

It may or may not act as a trigger for people who are depressed, though.

 

[Sunster]

But there is many unanswered questions.

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Will Bryce get arrested for his rapes of Hannah and Jessica.

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he won't. he's a rich, white, student athlete and this is america

 

[DOWN]

I haven't watched this and I don't plan doing so, but we're having some trouble at the school I teach because of this TV show. The institution even produced a document to parents alerting that this show does not deal with the topic in a responsible way, which may cause problems to youngsters watching it like making feel more depressed or something.

What do you guys think about it?

For those already sensitive to mental health and being bullied or isolated, the show can provoke further sadness. For those young people who are social or even insensitive and bullying toward others, the show may be enlightening in some fashion.

 

[J2 Cool]

I haven't watched this and I don't plan doing so, but we're having some trouble at the school I teach because of this TV show. The institution even produced a document to parents alerting that this show does not deal with the topic in a responsible way, which may cause problems to youngsters watching it like making feel more depressed or something.

What do you guys think about it?

It most certainly stylizes, and dramatizes suicide. Which is already a larger endorsement than I feel comfortable with. You can find more than a few articles that feel the same way.

https://dailyreview.com.au/13-reaso...e-series-13-reasons/58721/?platform=hootsuite

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment...-prevention-advocacy-groups/story?id=46851551

 

[RedAssedApe]

It most certainly stylizes, and dramatizes suicide. Which is already a larger endorsement than I feel comfortable with. You can find more than a few articles that feel the same way.

https://dailyreview.com.au/13-reaso...e-series-13-reasons/58721/?platform=hootsuite

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment...-prevention-advocacy-groups/story?id=46851551

Its an interesting discussion. Someone posted this in the Netflix OT about how their university actually sent out an e-mail about the show:

My University sent out an e-mail today about "13 Reasons Why" and how "Students admitted that “binge watching” the series has contributed to a change in mood, depression, and/or anxiety."

They go on to add a quote from a University psychologist explaining all the things wrong with the show:

“The show itself contains some pretty dangerous messaging about suicide, especially for teens. The entire premise of the series is that a young woman recorded audio tapes outlining 13 reasons why she killed herself and throughout the series she has "control" over her peers even after death (a very dangerous message to send) as they listen to the tapes outlining their own mis-doings and pass them along to peers.

The show focuses mainly on bullying, which we know contributes to teen suicide, but it does not address mental illness AT ALL. We know that 9/10 people who die by suicide have a diagnosable mental illness and the show did not even touch the topic.

The show has explicit scenes detailing

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multiple sexual assaults and it shows, in its entirety, the main character killing herself by cutting both wrists vertically in a bathtub

.

Netflix NEVER mentioned the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline or the National Sexual Assault Hotline. In my opinion, there should have been a short PSA after every episode sharing these resources and encouraging people to reach out. Essentially they bring up a lot of hard issues but don't address them in a productive way.

-Betsy

Elizabeth R. Aspinwall, Psy.D., HSP-P
Clinical Director/Psychologist

I haven't watch this, but I don't think I want to after reading that.

 

[NHarmonic.]

This is rated 18+ right?

 

[cartoon_soldier]

I really don't want to watch the last two episodes knowing what happens in them.

I do agree that Netflix should have a warning before and after every episode.

 

[Skid 4 Dead]

I really don't want to watch the last two episodes knowing what happens in them.

I do agree that Netflix should have a warning before and after every episode.

but they're the most important episodes... also the best episodes. They really make watching the show worth it. Also Netflix does have a warning before both episodes.

 

[Puck Beaverton]

If I watched this show back when I was suicidal it would have been an awful influence on me. The idea of getting back at people was so tempting.

 

[GiantBeagle]

Honestly for me the most distressing thing in this show was watching the Baker family. Especially because

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one of the last tapes would heavily imply (at least to me, if I were a mother) that they had greatly contributed to Hannah's death ultimately, albeit inadvertently. If Hannah hadn't lost the shop money and they hadn't fought she would never have gone to Bryce's party and she may well have stayed alive.

I liked the show, however I did feel that some of the themes were dealt with less sensitively than they should have been.

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I had to physically turn away during the suicude scene. As someone who has dealt with depression on and off for many years and self harmed as a teenager, it was really awful to watch her screaming in pain like that.

 

[Vuze]

Just finished the show. I thought the last episode was

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a huge letdown in terms of the ending and the suicide scene was distastefully cheap and almost cartoonish.

Overall I found it quite captivating but ultimately I cannot agree with the praise/hype it receives.

 

[Lynd7]

13 more reasons breh

Why stop there? 13 Seasons Why

I agree though, I really don't think they should try for a second season.

 

[Doffen]

Just finished the show. I thought the last episode was

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a huge letdown in terms of the ending and the suicide scene was distastefully cheap and almost cartoonish.

Overall I found it quite captivating but ultimately I cannot agree with the praise/hype it receives.

I disagree.

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I found the scene very well made, no music, just her and the act. It wasn't a shock scene, we all knew it was going to happen and how it was going to happen, they even announced it a few seconds before they showed it.

A distastefully cheap scene would, in my opinion, be sad music playing while the camera panned away or dimmed to black. That would be romanticising the act.