Ignatz Mouse
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I didn't think that was them, but I did wonder.
Also, how firm is the timeline that this is 6 years before BB? Because at the rate time is passing, it could be just a year or two. Would explain Katie's age as well.
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I didn't think that was them, but I did wonder.
Also, how firm is the timeline that this is 6 years before BB? Because at the rate time is passing, it could be just a year or two. Would explain Katie's age as well.
crisdecuba
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It wasn't them.
Well, I reread the quote, and I don't get that at all.
Vince is saying that if Chuck were more honest with himself, he'd admit that he's doing this to hurt Jimmy. And that's basically what I said as well. He is doing this to hurt Jimmy. But he's also doing this because he believes it's the right path to take. That Jimmy will be better for having to work within the law. What I'm saying is:
Chuck's Delusion: I have no unnecessarily negative feelings to Jimmy and do everything out of a moral duty and brotherly love.
Chuck's Reality: I have many negative feelings toward Jimmy, including resentment and bitterness, and I try to do what I honestly believe is right, while unaware that my negative feelings skew and poison my perception of what that is.
Dangerblade
Member
Hmmm, I could have sworn it was them, but I did think it was weird that nobody else mentioned it in the thread!
SuperStiltzkin
Member
Brock and Andrea don't live in yellow Mexico
Was never the sun that bothered him, rather the EM radiation from power lines, etc. (also, its completely psychosomatic).
I think if you look back at previous seasons, Chuck's symptoms are lessened whenever he feels he is in a position of power or authority over his brother, and worse when his brother is doing anything that might affect Chuck's reputation.
Symptoms less:
- taking away Mesa Verde
- keeping Jimmy off the Sand Piper case
- being outside waiting on cops
Symptoms Worse:
- stealing neighbors paper and finding out about Jimmy's billboard stunt
etc. I think it goes along with Chuck's obsession with Jimmy as the source of his ailment. His irrational blaming of Jimmy, his inferiority to Jimmy socially 9people like Jimmy more) and so on.
Shadow_FFVI
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I have no problems with the slow pace of the show, but on the other hand I do expect it to ramp up significantly at some point in the not so distant future.
Not just Jimmy, but also the ability to do his job. His single strongest instance of aversion to his allergy is when he and Jimmy were closely working together on the Sandpiper case and he just casually walks outside to Jimmy's car without even noticing what he's doing.
I think it's more that he gains strength from being a lawyer, and since he views it as his lawyerly duty to stop Jimmy from wreaking havok, he gets fulfilled from taking him down whenever he feels he's done something wrong.
Oathbreaker
Banned
Holy shit!
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Another great episode. The only problem I have is not waiting for them all to air before watching. One a week is shit.
In the season 2 finale, Jimmy asks him why he lied about calling him to the copy store, and Ernesto says something close to, "I didn't want to say anything, but the way he's been talking about you lately...it's like he's really out to get you. And I don't know, you're my friend." So it's a mixture of affection for Jimmy and being unsettled by Chuck's seemingly unhealthy obsession with Jimmy. We don't know specifically what he had heard, but it's probably not hard to hazard a guess or two.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
So, Chuck's own obsession led to his failure to nail Jimmy. Nice touch.
I don't understand why you make such a big deal about Chuck believing that he's doing the right thing. When considering the most reprehensible people in history, it doesn't matter whether they thought they were doing the right thing or not, it doesn't change anything, and no one cares.
This fucking show. It makes me sad that it takes someone pointing things out for me to pick up on some callbacks and references
They do a great job at those.turtlesbonanza
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I don't think she actually exercised but is just using the shower as it's across the road from her office. She's sleeping at the office.
Old news but I just found out that Mike's character was made up since Bob Odenkirk had to film on How I met Your Mother, so they needed a character to fill in his scene.
http://uproxx.com/tv/you-can-thank-...-mike-from-breaking-bad-and-better-call-saul/
You can totally tell how this was supposed to be Saul.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQNpboSz_6o
http://uproxx.com/tv/you-can-thank-...-mike-from-breaking-bad-and-better-call-saul/
You can totally tell how this was supposed to be Saul.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQNpboSz_6o
CharminUltra
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Called it a while ago!
Human Trashcan
Banned
Am I crazy for feeling like people are applying some double standards when they condemn Chuck but are basically okay with Jimmy betraying his trust by breaking into his house and messing with the files (and thus, his head)? Chuck definitely harbors lots of resentment towards Jimmy, but the way he's seen Jimmy grow up, all the way back to him being the only one who knew Jimmy was stealing from their father, it's understandable. All his life, he's seen Jimmy charm everyone, while he sees his true colors. And he's right about Jimmy not being an honest lawyer too. So keeping him out of HHM, I get that. I disagree that he's the villain of the piece. He's against the protagonist, and audiences are trained to root for the protagonist (look no further than the Walter White fandom for proof of how far that goes. Unless you kill puppies and babies, people will root for you.), but Jimmy has done far more fucked up things than Chuck imo. Jimmy never thinks about who his actions might hurt. He's an egocentric sleazeball.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Unless they just ignore it, or treat it as Saul using poetic license
For such a detail orientated show that's slavish to setting up each and every established connection in the Breaking Bad universe, no matter how trivial, this isn't really the writers style.
That would be a very strange (and weirdly specific!) use of poetic license.
I'd imagine the show isn't going to last long enough for him to get married twice and will likely leave that sort of thing as something that happens between BCS and BB. At least I'd imagine the show ends when Jimmy goes full Saul and from what we can tell in BB he's been kind of a long time staple of the area.
Especially when you add in the age of MckEan and Odenkirk. They'd have to get the world's hottest octogenarion for that story.
Especially when you add in the age of MckEan and Odenkirk. They'd have to get the world's hottest octogenarion for that story.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Saul was already crooked; uttering a falsehood to make a point wouldn't exactly be that out of character.
Certainly seems far more likely than having him get married and divorced twice within the next few years
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I could see that as Saul being folksy. Although, isn't Jimmy in his late 30s/early 40s, at least? Be surprised if he doesn't have at least 1 marriage under his belt from his younger days.
Chuck, Kim, and Jimmy are my three favorite characters on TV. I was initially bummed out last season when the latter two hooked up, as I loved the ambiguity of their relationship, but any show that describes love as "the fallacy of sunk costs" is aces in my book.
There have been some wonderful moments as these two flawed brothers are blinded by their frustrations with each other, but still bound by some mixture of duty to family and brotherly love. They seem to each know each other better than they know themselves.
I also really appreciate the long stretches without dialogue.
There have been some wonderful moments as these two flawed brothers are blinded by their frustrations with each other, but still bound by some mixture of duty to family and brotherly love. They seem to each know each other better than they know themselves.
I also really appreciate the long stretches without dialogue.
I am loving jimmy's plotline, but i cant say im enthralled by Mike's.
We already know where both characters will end up, but Jimmy seems to have much more metamorphosis coming his way, both as a character and as surroundings/people around him.
Mike is basically already the guy he'll be in BB, minus the hitman part, but he basically went there already, trying to kill Hector.
I'm enjoying the Mike stuff and love Mike as a character, but his storyline is becoming more and more divergent from Jimmy's, to the point now where the two characters have nothing to do with each other..which is a problem for a show which is supposed to revolve around Jimmy as a character.
Monocle
Member
Same. She's great.
I read it more as Jimmy created a backstory for his "Saul" Persona.
Sapiens
Member
It makes me feel so cool knowing that people don't appreciate this show on the same level I do.
emilioasis
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OH MY GOD!
Triggerhappytel
Member
Yeah, it's incredibly stylish and they use a great soundtrack. I love the way it's way it's filmed and edited too.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
Totally agreed with this. I generally find Mike's portion to be a bore--this episode possibly excepted. I'm muuuuch more interested in Jimmy's story
I'm sure they'll re-diverge; Saul knows Mike works for Gus during the Breaking Bad era, so some sort of business with Mike and Jimmy goes down at some point.
Cornballer
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I was listening to the Sepinwall/Grubb podcast where they discussed the last two episodes, and they brought this up. They noted that at by the time we roll around to BB, Mike is still working with Jimmy/Saul, which is a little odd if he gets a consistent, presumably well-paying gig with Gus. Gus is a little more aligned with how Mike wants to work (professional, secretive), so there must be a reason why Mike and Jimmy remain in contact and continue to work together given their differences. Jimmy bails Mike out of a very dire situation at some point? Mike actually likes Jimmy on some level?
Duane Cunningham
Member
Yeah... I think Viktor-- er, Jimmy-- er, Saul making shit up sometimes is probably not out of the question.
Does anyone other than Chuck ever interact with Jimmy and not end up liking him. The dude has like max charisma stat or something. Lol. I mean, the simple answer would just be that Jimmy is a resourceful guy who, when freed from the constrains of "legit" legal work, becomes useful for people doing criminal stuff. Why wouldn't Mike keep in contact with him? Also, having a liaison to connect people who isn't in Gus' pocket could be very useful for Mike too. Given how he doesn't completely trust anyone.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
I remember it being late 2001 or early 2002 at the beginning of the show, and though it's not always easy to tell how much time is passing it doesn't seem like time has been passing faster on the show than reality for sure.
Yeah it will be interesting where they go with it; the "prequel that was never meant to exist" concept makes this show kind of unique. Especially since Mike was never a planned character in the first place.
They did just show that Mike is still willing to use Jimmy; even though Jimmy sucked at what he was asked to do, I'm not sure Mike even knows that since he can't see what happened inside the restaurant. Then you have the scene of Jimmy basically begging Mike to work with him again. What's interesting is that Gus probably would recognize Jimmy as the jack-ass who was so terrible at surveilance.
My outside chance theory I mentioned the other day is that Ernesto is involved; Ernesto being the lawyer version of Gale, recipient of a Gus scholarship and being groomed to be useful to Gus's operation (and possibly related to Gus off course.) If Gus were to ask Ernesto if he knows any lawyers that would be good for them to use, perhaps for one of Gus's employees who gets in trouble, I could see Ernesto recommending Jimmy.