RedAssedApe
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Gotta manufacture something to shit on cod about I guess
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Polygon: COD WWIIs diversity is nothing more than marketing
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How can anyone in their right mind assume that a game this size is an all-white production. Even if the game director wasn't black and featured in the reveal vids it would be crazy to assume that on a big team like this there wouldn't be a single black, hispanic, middle eatern or asian developper employed.
Yeah, who wants to hear the story of black men who are fighting for freedom for a country were a black can be killed and no one would care.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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Well that too but this is from my personal experience not what Microsoft gave them money wise.
graywolf323
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it takes a team to make quality pieces like this *gags*
uncredited male
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We got forty nations, ready to roll, son!
Checkbox hiring. Doesn't count, sorry.From SolidSnakex in the other thread:
Simply epic.
xxMaximusxx
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Aren't there some shit sites that are banned from gaf? I'm surprised Polygon isn't on the list yet. Should atleast have to use an archive link so you don't give them any more clicks
Hero_of_the_Day
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This article is nonsense. But, saying you can't want something now because you didn't want it ten years ago also doesn't make sense.
"Historical Accuracy"
Like who?
ElBoxyBrown
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They sometimes have good articles, and then they have stuff like this. Polygon is a wild card. They're sometimes really dumb but they don't deserve a ban.
Despite the trailer not having much of wht they have talked about, i'm actually very happy Sledgehammer is taking on the challenge of attempting to present a more inclusive take on WW2. Whether or it hits the right notes is unknown, but i'm glad they are doing it.
I wanted Treyarch to go back to WW2 themselves and do a more morally grey retread of the pacific war, showing the side of the Japanese beyond the mustache twirling villains, and a more nuanced take on war. I think they were primed to really branch out and take risks like that especially after W@W, BO1 and BO2 being great games with good stories.
Instead we got.....train go boom.
I wanted Treyarch to go back to WW2 themselves and do a more morally grey retread of the pacific war, showing the side of the Japanese beyond the mustache twirling villains, and a more nuanced take on war. I think they were primed to really branch out and take risks like that especially after W@W, BO1 and BO2 being great games with good stories.
Instead we got.....train go boom.
Everyone should have an opinion, not everyone should commit it beyond their thoughts
This article is some dumb shit.
They openly stated they are jumping the gun because nobody really knows yet, and then they referred to the developing team as all white.
I know they're probably going to clarify that they're talking about the makeup of the presentation, but even then they're a bunch of dumbasses.
They openly stated they are jumping the gun because nobody really knows yet, and then they referred to the developing team as all white.
I know they're probably going to clarify that they're talking about the makeup of the presentation, but even then they're a bunch of dumbasses.
FIREKNIGHT2029
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From SolidSnakex in the other thread:
Simply epic.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Japan's sending PlayStations!
Did you just move this post because it was post #50 and you thought no one would read it?
smh. Anyone you would want to read it is already using 100pp anyway!
Waiting for someone else to get post 50 then posting is the superior way of doing this
That is certainly a Polygon article. I guess the feud with Kotaku didn't last long enough.
Define "good"
Define "good"
What a sham article from a site that claims to actually value diversity in games but failed to do the actual research into who was working at the studio. Not only that, but the game isn't even out, and there was nothing but praise when Battlefield 1 was revealed to tell diverse stories.
Edit: It took two people to write this shit? Shame. Some of their long-form stuff used to be decent.
Edit: It took two people to write this shit? Shame. Some of their long-form stuff used to be decent.
ChoklitCow
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I was going to say I can't trust anything they do unless it is in chart form. Of course GAF delivered.
7DollarHagane
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This should be on their about us page, to explain anytime they are wrong or do something stupid, because it just basically boils down to this.
Polygon: "dont blame us we just tried to make people click on our article"
You were so concerned with the hotness of your take that you forgot to see if it made any sense.
They were talking about the stage production anyway. For all the shit people give Polygon, they could at least actually read what they're slamming.
Read the article. They were talking directly about the stage show and the people who were there.
article said:
Deckard Chapel
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Seriously!
Sledgehammer Games is over 300+ multi-national devs strong - why in the world is this an issue??
There's multiple ethnicities within that 300+ all working as a cohesive team to create an amazing World War II experience for the world to enjoy.
Fuck you Polygon, you've yet again shown readers and clickbait alike why nobody should pay you any credence.
To anyone that reads anything Polygon -
remember this old adage: "If you play with shit, you'll get it on you".
paragonpro
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I cant fault polygon for being advocates for inclusion, but this seems like a stretch? Whats wrong with them wanting to include a diverse cast? This and their bayo 2 review really got to me. Yes she is sexualized but...thats like the point of the character and the way she uses it for power...
Abandapart82
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Another reason why I don't read Polygon.
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Smiles and Cries
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From SolidSnakex in the other thread:
Simply epic.
Polygon could still have a point, this must be that new tan going around with the new kids.
Not sure why Polygon tries to go HARD, in so many wrong directions. They could have been a force for good.
BreezyLimbo
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I hope EA blacklists Polygon for such a shitty accusation.
Bioshocker
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If only people would care less about skin color.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Yeah, societal and cultural progress does not exist in a vacuum. Do you also think that transgender men and women just started existing when it became a political issue?
I'm going to assume that you mean that in the "if only racism didn't exist" sense.
Hatefilled Vengeance
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Embarrassing.
I read it. Doesn't make their points any less moronic and shallow.
PendekarRajawali
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An article like this could start some really engaging conversations. But we would rather just cherry pick certain comments and make fun of them for 20 pages.
Whether you find the article good or not, there is something to say about a major bullet point being about diversity, yet there is none to be found in anything they showed.
It speaks to the larger point being, when people ask for diversity, they want more than just a skin tone pallet swap. They want more than just a bullet point. But instead of discussing interesting topics like "are games diversifying in a meaningful way", we would rather say a whole lot of nothing for the entire thread.
7DollarHagane
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Griffin McElroy is great. Unfortunately he works at polygon for some unknown reason.
The premise isn't entirely wrong. Anything and everything in a mega-franchise like CoD is going to be driven by market research and a desire to make the thing more broadly appealing and profitable. A bit cynical, sure, but it's good to have a little suspicion and view any huge project through that lens sometimes.
That said, it's not necessarily a bad thing either. A concept (such as diversity) becoming marketable is sort of the ultimate stamp of approval under capitalism, so it certainly means we'll be seeing more of it. I also give CoD credit for being pretty consistently on message about this since adding female playable characters a few years back.
That said, it's not necessarily a bad thing either. A concept (such as diversity) becoming marketable is sort of the ultimate stamp of approval under capitalism, so it certainly means we'll be seeing more of it. I also give CoD credit for being pretty consistently on message about this since adding female playable characters a few years back.
Samanosuke Akechi
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Nick and Justin are great too, don't sleep on them
IDK why they are all there, but i guess every company has to have a good side
I don't see why not. Publishers don't need the games media/press anymore, they can find some hip dude on the youtubez that'll love the game with or without getting paid, and who probably has more followers.
Liliana Eileen
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But it's weird cause Infinite Warfare had a really diverse cast. So lambasting CoD about diversity seems ignorant.
I don't understand why you would think having a historical setting would be an obstacle to diversity. World War 2 was a big conflict that involved a lot of people from a wide variety of nations fighting across the entire world. That is why we call it a World War. People have a tendency to focus entirely on the fighting in the European theatre of the war after the Normandy invasion as if that was the entire conflict. But there was a ton of fighting in North Africa, the Middle East, and across East Asia in World War 2. If you actually take a look outside the D-Day invasion army, there was no lack of diversity. Even in Europe, you ahd the 442nd Infantry Regiment, a unit of Japanese-American soldiers mostly from Hawaii, which was the single most decorated infantry unit of its type in the history of the US Army.
In general, history itself is diverse. However, most people only seem to be familiar with white-washed accounts of history.
We don't live in a world where skin color, gender and cultural divergence mean nothing though.
So expecting our media to reflect that only makes sense. Of course, that doesn't mean hot takes like this don't exist.
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