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Yep. My kids and friends indentify with Xbox because of Minecraft.
Minecraft, Lego games, and Disney Infinity/Skylanders were all HUGE on 360. Kinect also sold crazy well with family's.

There was also a plethora of licensed children focused movie titles which were pretty solid in their own right (RIP THQ)
 

gamz

Member
Minecraft, Lego games, and Disney Infinity/Skylanders were all HUGE on 360. Kinect also sold crazy well with family's.

There was also a plethora of licensed children focused movie titles which were pretty solid in their own right (RIP THQ)

My kids adored Ori. Esp my daughter who played the beginning over and over again. Plays like a Disney movie.
 

W.S.

Member
I've heard the rumor from Rand on twitter way before Sneakers talk about it here in GAF. It's definitely not from Sneakers.
See? I knew I wasn't going crazy.

He even specifically said Playground's new IP is supposed to be a Witcher 3 style action RPG.

How many vids a week does he make?

Comes across as a shill to me, bragging about all his contacts, how he "knows things that you don't know" blah blah blah another bore that adds nothing but borderline PR speak to Xbox fans.
He puts out a good amount of videos per week and has his own podcast thing going on. He's genuinely a nice guy and has a more level headed & realistic view of Xbox than most people give him credit for so I don't get why you're shitting on the guy.

Splash Damage rather publicly announced their support role for Gears, Certain Affinity, Ruffian, Saber etc for Halo, if you're on a big project/franchise I think it's something you mention
Interestingly enough Splash Damage's hiring page for new projects has changed to just hiring positions instead of specifying what type of project it will be.

Before it was along the lines of "We are currently working on a new project with a major publisher etc." unless it's still there and I don't see it lol.
 
See? I knew I wasn't going crazy.

He even specifically said Playground's IP is supposed to be a Witcher 3 style action RPG.


He puts out a good amount of videos per week and has his own podcast thing going on. He's genuinely a nice guy and has a more level headed & realistic view of Xbox than most people give him credit for so I don't get why you're shitting on the guy.


Interestingly enough Splash Damage's hiring page for new projects has changed to just hiring positions instead of specifying what type of project it will be.

Before it was along the lines of "We are currently working on a new project with a major publisher etc." unless it's still there and I don't see it lol.

Because he doesn't strike me as sincere or genuine at times. He made a video ranting about how Microsoft need to shut up about controllers and start talking about games, then started apologising soon after for doing it and how some of his subs were unhappy with him. What kind of community is that were someone shouldn't give a view that differs from theirs?

The whole "I have contacts" "they told me stuff" then proceed to say nothing further, they know what they are doing here, him and Jez Corden do it quite a bit and I find it cringeworthy dude. I don't hate him or anything, that would be silly, just not a fan of what he's been doing lately.
 

Leflus

Member
I LOVE Ori but dude it's only one game in :p all due respect to Thomas I don't think it can support a toys to life game on its own.



Basically what I meant by Xbox Infinity. Draws from a lot of their more kid friendly franchises.
That would absolutely be the way to go. The more realistic characters can appear in KI instead (like Arby and RAAM).
 

Dehnus

Member
I know, I'm with you on that one :/

Well in Phil's defence, and this is why I don't buy any MS product anymore, they have ValueAct poisoning the well in shareholders meetings.

It must be really hard for him to get ANY money, ValueAct is heavily influencing shareholders to dump areas that aren't "Windows Server and Office!" and if not able, to "defund and starve" them.

It's what happened to Windows phone, it's what will happen to the Surface line and is currently happening to the Xbox line. ValueAct also ruined Motorola long before that, after they are "done: trimming the fat", they will sell the debts they made to buy themselves into MS.. back to MS as a "good investment! Look at that credit rating, bound to give you a 15% year over year increase!"... which is also how they bankrupted smaller companies just before bailing on them.

Basically Phil will have a lot of people looking over his shoulder, many setting him up to fail and defunding him. It is, and this was admitted by people within Microsoft, why Scorpio exists. It is the ONLY way he still can get some funds OK'd from the shareholders, if it is a "new platform".

Not saying that he did well in this case though, but keep that in mind a bit. If you're an Xbox fan? Be ready to hear "we are quiting the console industry" in a few years. Thousands of people have been fired already by these bastards, and the xbox department is just close to the chopping block.


I'll try to find that interview, but I think it even was posted on GAF a while ago. :(.

Sad really, but hey, soon you'll be able to be part of that "shrinking market" that is Office ;).
 

Papacheeks

Banned
Well in Phil's defence, and this is why I don't buy any MS product anymore, they have ValueAct poisoning the well in shareholders meetings.

It must be really hard for him to get ANY money, ValueAct is heavily influencing shareholders to dump areas that aren't "Windows Server and Office!" and if not able, to "defund and starve" them.

It's what happened to Windows phone, it's what will happen to the Surface line and is currently happening to the Xbox line. ValueAct also ruined Motorola long before that, after they are "done: trimming the fat", they will sell the debts they made to buy themselves into MS.. back to MS as a "good investment! Look at that credit rating, bound to give you a 15% year over year increase!"... which is also how they bankrupted smaller companies just before bailing on them.

Basically Phil will have a lot of people looking over his shoulder, many setting him up to fail and defunding him. It is, and this was admitted by people within Microsoft, why Scorpio exists. It is the ONLY way he still can get some funds OK'd from the shareholders, if it is a "new platform".

Not saying that he did well in this case though, but keep that in mind a bit. If you're an Xbox fan? Be ready to hear "we are quiting the console industry" in a few years. Thousands of people have been fired already by these bastards, and the xbox department is just close to the chopping block.


I'll try to find that interview, but I think it even was posted on GAF a while ago. :(.

Sad really, but hey, soon you'll be able to be part of that "shrinking market" that is Office ;).

Xbox won't go away it's just going to evolve more into a service platform. Which recently with the new game service they just launched is becoming more of a reality.
 
Well in Phil's defence, and this is why I don't buy any MS product anymore, they have ValueAct poisoning the well in shareholders meetings.

It must be really hard for him to get ANY money, ValueAct is heavily influencing shareholders to dump areas that aren't "Windows Server and Office!" and if not able, to "defund and starve" them.

It's what happened to Windows phone, it's what will happen to the Surface line and is currently happening to the Xbox line. ValueAct also ruined Motorola long before that, after they are "done: trimming the fat", they will sell the debts they made to buy themselves into MS.. back to MS as a "good investment! Look at that credit rating, bound to give you a 15% year over year increase!"... which is also how they bankrupted smaller companies just before bailing on them.

Basically Phil will have a lot of people looking over his shoulder, many setting him up to fail and defunding him. It is, and this was admitted by people within Microsoft, why Scorpio exists. It is the ONLY way he still can get some funds OK'd from the shareholders, if it is a "new platform".

Not saying that he did well in this case though, but keep that in mind a bit. If you're an Xbox fan? Be ready to hear "we are quiting the console industry" in a few years. Thousands of people have been fired already by these bastards, and the xbox department is just close to the chopping block.


I'll try to find that interview, but I think it even was posted on GAF a while ago. :(.

Sad really, but hey, soon you'll be able to be part of that "shrinking market" that is Office ;).


Jesus Christ

It's hard having good Xbox discussions today on gaf isn't it?
 

Zeta Oni

Member
This is making the rounds on the front page:


United Kingdom-based developer Studio Gobo has announced a partnership with Microsoft Studios.

Studio Gobo is mainly known for developing Playsets for the Disney Infinity series.
According to a gameplay designer job listing, Studio Gobo is currently working on a ”third-person AAA character action console game." A UX designer listing mentions a ”free-to-play product based on a globally-recognized IP for a major publisher." A senior graphics programmer listing mentions ”developing a game which is a much loved and world-renowned." And other listings simply mention an ”unannounced console game." It is unknown whether all of these listings are talking about different games, or if any of them are related to the studio's partnership with Microsoft.

Studio Gobo did not share any more information about its partnership

Gematsu

Any ideas?

AAA Character Action game (think Bayonetta, DMC, etc.)?

or...

F2P title based on popular IP?
 

Zeta Oni

Member
Most likely Minecraft related.

Eh I wouldn't be sure about that.

I know their previous history is Toys to Life, but I would have thought Double Helix taught people not to judge a book by its cover.

And that first game sounds, even if its not MS, like a far departure from Disney Infinity.

But your probably right.
 
This is making the rounds on the front page:




Gematsu

Any ideas?

AAA Character Action game (think Bayonetta, DMC, etc.)?

or...

F2P title based on popular IP?
Not sure what the popular ip would be unless they're stretching the definition... Maybe like a Banjo-Kazooie Run? Do these guys do mobile?

Really kinda doubt MS is contracting a AAA character action game but I'd love to be wrong.
 

JlNX

Member
Well in Phil's defence, and this is why I don't buy any MS product anymore, they have ValueAct poisoning the well in shareholders meetings.

It must be really hard for him to get ANY money, ValueAct is heavily influencing shareholders to dump areas that aren't "Windows Server and Office!" and if not able, to "defund and starve" them.

It's what happened to Windows phone, it's what will happen to the Surface line and is currently happening to the Xbox line. ValueAct also ruined Motorola long before that, after they are "done: trimming the fat", they will sell the debts they made to buy themselves into MS.. back to MS as a "good investment! Look at that credit rating, bound to give you a 15% year over year increase!"... which is also how they bankrupted smaller companies just before bailing on them.

Basically Phil will have a lot of people looking over his shoulder, many setting him up to fail and defunding him. It is, and this was admitted by people within Microsoft, why Scorpio exists. It is the ONLY way he still can get some funds OK'd from the shareholders, if it is a "new platform".

Not saying that he did well in this case though, but keep that in mind a bit. If you're an Xbox fan? Be ready to hear "we are quiting the console industry" in a few years. Thousands of people have been fired already by these bastards, and the xbox department is just close to the chopping block.


I'll try to find that interview, but I think it even was posted on GAF a while ago. :(.

Sad really, but hey, soon you'll be able to be part of that "shrinking market" that is Office ;).
Value ACT when they first bought shares in MS it was still under 1 percent, since then they have continued to sell their stock in Microsoft. Morfit does not have as much influence as you would think, Nadella has actively ignored the board and pursued towards surface which has now resulted in a very important sector to them which has earned the trust of the board in Nadella. Nadella has organised and integrated Xbox deeper into other sectors of MS as a whole, as he sees great value in having Xbox and gaming for all of his platforms. Ironically Value ACT wants Microsoft to move away from having Windows be their focus, wanting them to focus on devices and open platforms. Surface and xbox are actually seen as important by Value ACT. Windows Phone was dropped because it was a dead platform not because of Value ACT what a stupid thing to say, the surface line is not getting dropped as it has been very successful for MS and is seen as a very important consumer facing marketing for the platform and Xbox is not getting treated that way it's their most important consumer facing brand they will continue to move closer towards the services market. Investors see a lot of potential growth for the Xbox brand now that it is moving in a similar position as office.

Nothing like that at all has been said about that being the reason for Scorpio to exist, Scorpio exists because of MS approach to move it inline with their surface hardware line and the platform move towards a service driven line. Both of these are exactly what investors want, so that's why he is getting funding for this new hardware and services approach. The only difficulty within Microsoft that has been there since the beginning of Xbox is that shareholders are not as likely to invest as much as let's a Sony shareholder would in playstation. That's inherently to do with the fact that Sonys as a company is a creatively driven investment as a shareholder, were as Microsoft's shareholders are not as driven towards those large creative risks.

"we are quitting the console industry" couldn't have made a more non sequitur jump than this one. Like were do you get your information from, Facebook?!?! or are you talking to me from 2014 were 2 investors were calling for Xbox to be sold (but not really as it was just a political board move that would have resulted in nothing) and surface to be sold as it was not gathering enough market share. Fast forward to 2017 surface is the second biggest hardware line under apple.
 
But..but... MS doesn't have anything plan for the future other than Halo.Forza, and Gears.
Look, clearly when people said that they meant games that appeal to them. And are new IPs. From proven studios. That meet the janky threshold. And gets enough marketing.

/goalposts
 

Zeta Oni

Member
Ok, so then the question shifts to:

What MS franchise is both globally known and also could work on mobile?

The only 2 that come to mind are Halo and Minecraft.

Minecraft already has a successful mobile presence, and I'm really not sure what a mobile Halo f2p title would look like unless they are just doing another Spartan Assault type game.
 
Ok, so then the question shifts to:

What MS franchise is both globally known and also could work on mobile?

The only 2 that come to mind are Halo and Minecraft.

Minecraft already has a successful mobile presence, and I'm really not sure what a mobile Halo f2p title would look like unless they are just doing another Spartan Assault type game.

Viva Pinata Farmville.
 

Papacheeks

Banned
Eh I wouldn't be sure about that.

I know their previous history is Toys to Life, but I would have thought Double Helix taught people not to judge a book by its cover.

And that first game sounds, even if its not MS, like a far departure from Disney Infinity.

But your probably right.

I have a gut feeling it might be that cancelled halo megablock prototype game. Only maybe it's been reworked and isn't associated with megablocks now.

So they can sell you halo figures that get downloaded into the game.
 

JlNX

Member
1. It's not toys to live, you don't invest in a dying market and xbox has no place on it's platform for that kind of game.

2. The f2p game is most likely part of the new mobile focused studio they opened recently, popular IP could be reverencing to a Ubisoft IP as well as "major publisher."

3. Who else would be publishing a AAA game by Gobo. Why would Ubisoft need anyone other than their internal studios for that kind of project.

4. I'm surprised none of you have put two and two together, AAA action game, world renowned IP, Ex-Disney focused studio, Marvels latest publishing deals. I think it could be MS and Marvel working together on a exclusive game, if you think about their characters would all be action focused games.

5. The other two options could be of course a Rare IP or Forza. (driving studio expertise F1)

6. I wouldn't worry about team size, Hellblade is being made by 20 people, gobo is 50 or more. Armature is a different situation, Unity as a engine, just over two years of development time and dead star being developed alongside it.

7. Also if this isn't a clear enough proof of the weird and unpredictable nature of MS studios then I don't know what is. Who here guessed Gobo as a second party developer?
 

m23

Member
1. It's not toys to live, you don't invest in a dying market and xbox has no place on it's platform for that kind of game.

2. The f2p game is most likely part of the new mobile focused studio they opened recently, popular IP could be reverencing to a Ubisoft IP as well as "major publisher."

3. Who else would be publishing a AAA game by Gobo. Why would Ubisoft need anyone other than their internal studios for that kind of project.

4. I'm surprised none of you have put two and two together, AAA action game, world renowned IP, Ex-Disney focused studio, Marvels latest publishing deals. I think it could be MS and Marvel working together on a exclusive game, if you think about their characters would all be action focused games.

5. The other two options could be of course a Rare IP or Forza. (driving studio expertise F1)

6. I wouldn't worry about team size, Hellblade is being made by 20 people, gobo is 50 or more. Armature is a different situation, Unity as a engine, just over two years of development time and dead star being developed alongside it.

7. Also if this isn't a clear enough proof of the weird and unpredictable nature of MS studios then I don't know what is. Who here guessed Gobo as a second party developer?

You actually think Microsoft managed to get an exclusive Marvel game...
 

Chobel

Member
You can't make AAA game with 50 or so people, you just can't. Oh, and Hellblade is not AAA.

And I highly doubt it's Marvel game, otherwise the tweet would have said "new partnership with Microsoft *and* Marvel". I mean no reason to announce one partner and hide the other.
 
You can't make AAA game with 50 or so people, you just can't. Oh, and Hellblade is not AAA.

Microsoft has a long history of pulling a shit load of developers to work on its games. Reagent Games is making Crackdown 3 and, according to LinkedIn, only has 11-50 employees.
 

Chobel

Member
Microsoft has a long history of pulling a shit load of developers to work on its games. Reagent Games is making Crackdown 3 and, according to LinkedIn, only has 11-50 employees.

Yeah, that's why I said in the other thread that Gobo is most likely partnering with other studio in one game.
 

JlNX

Member
You can't make AAA game with 50 or so people, you just can't. Oh, and Hellblade is not AAA.

And I highly doubt it's Marvel game, otherwise the tweet would have said "new partnership with Microsoft *and* Marvel". I mean no reason to announce one partner and hide the other.

Of course a small team can make a triple a game, AAA refers to either budget or marketing push. Obviously budget wouldn't be the qualifier but marketing, unless the development time is really long. I used Hellblade as a example for people who define AAA as polish, due to the fact that AAA is a informal term. Would you not call Nier Automata AAA ?

It depends if they are looking for hiring on the project, before they announce the game or not.
 

Chobel

Member
Of course a small team can make a triple a game, AAA refers to either budget or marketing push. Obviously budget wouldn't be the qualifier but marketing, unless the development time is really long. I used Hellblade as a example for people who define AAA as polish, due to the fact that AAA is a informal term. Would you not call Nier Automata AAA ?

It depends if they are looking for hiring on the project, before they announce the game or not.

Nope, AAA refers to development budget.
 

m23

Member
Why is that such a surprise?

I would imagine the licencing costs aren't very cheap, and considering MS and Xbox current position, I'm not sure they're willing to spend so much on someone else's property. Spencer has been saying they want to invest more in their own property, this would go directly against that.

Also, that's quite a big stretch to think they're working with Marvel just because this dev has made content for Disney.

Isn't Disney/Marvel close with Sony?
 

Papacheeks

Banned
I would imagine the licencing costs aren't very cheap, and considering MS and Xbox current position, I'm not sure they're willing to spend so much on someone else's property. Spencer has been saying they want to invest more in their own property, this would go directly against that.

Also, that's quite a big stretch to think they're working with Marvel just because this dev has made content for Disney.

Isn't Disney/Marvel close with Sony?

Yes, they have a exclusive deal for disney, starwars, Spiderman. But doesn't mean other Marvel properties can't be shopped around. We know Square is partnering with Marvel for a game.
 

Zukkoyaki

Member
I imagine Studio Gobo's game would be something in the more AA mold like Recore that Spencer and Greenberg will push as AAA. Of course project budget and scale is rarely a good indicator of quality. Plenty of amazing games have been done by smaller teams on modest budgets.

I wonder how long it's been in the works and if we see it at E3.
 

JlNX

Member
Nope, AAA refers to development budget.

It's a informal term that refers to budget or marketing you can't define a informal term, you can either use or ignore it and use it as a different differentiator such as polish which a lot of people do. Also if you want to be accurate most games you would call AAA nowadays would be AAA+. Do you really believe that Gobo would be working on this game by themselves, this is MS we are talking about outsourcing is the one thing you can count on.
 
I really hope ReCore gets the love it deserved. Fucking MS. I loved it enough at launch, warts and all.

I'm really looking forward to playing it, provided the definitive edition involves finishing the game as intended (as rumored). I heard really good impressions of the opening hours.
 
Ok, so then the question shifts to:

What MS franchise is both globally known and also could work on mobile?

The only 2 that come to mind are Halo and Minecraft.

Minecraft already has a successful mobile presence, and I'm really not sure what a mobile Halo f2p title would look like unless they are just doing another Spartan Assault type game.

Speaking of Minecraft, I wish they would get round to making a full sequel.
 

Chobel

Member
It's a informal term that refers to budget or marketing you can't define a informal term, you can either use or ignore it and use it as a different differentiator such as polish which a lot of people do. Also if you want to be accurate most games you would call AAA nowadays would be AAA+. Do you really believe that Gobo would be working on this game by themselves, this is MS we are talking about outsourcing is the one thing you can count on.

Not it exclusively refers to development budget, it's just marketing spend usually correlates with the spend in the development. You almost never have an AA game with budget of an AAA game.

As for "polish" talk, it can be consequence of having high budget but it's not a requirement: Some AAA games are not polished (Fallout 4), some AA games are very polished (Life is Strange, Everybody's Gone to The Rapture).

Though I did mention that Gobo must be working with another game development studio for this AAA game, so there's that.
 
Part of the reason Sony got an exclusive deal with Spiderman is likely due to the movie deal/rights in place. Just a guess but I think that's fairly likely.

Without that, I don't see exclusives from Marvel happening given the dominating position they are in with their IPs and how much more relevant they are now post MCU than any time before.
 
Square got a deal for a marvel game?

So did Telltale games for Guardians of the Galaxy.

So.......
GOTG is on PS4. SE games more than likely will also. Sony will probably get marketing deals for them also. Their relationship doesn't mean they will be exclusive, KH3 and Star Wars games are multiplats also

Edit: I'm actually starting to think wapplew is semi serious
 
I'm really looking forward to playing it, provided the definitive edition involves finishing the game as intended (as rumored). I heard really good impressions of the opening hours.

I would say play it now, as you can easily avoid the end crunch with foresight. But then I would because I really enjoyed it.

Best to wait ;D
 
Part of the reason Sony got an exclusive deal with Spiderman is likely due to the movie deal/rights in place. Just a guess but I think that's fairly likely.

Without that, I don't see exclusives from Marvel happening given the dominating position they are in with their IPs and how much more relevant they are now post MCU than any time before.
I'm not sure about that. They said they all contacted each other to get the project going. It seemed more like Marvel wanting to work with that dev and pub. Marvel just wants quality titles to be produced. If MS does what they have to do, and Marvel is down, I could see them getting an exclusive Marvel game as well.
 

black070

Member
I'm not sure about that. They said they all contacted each other to get the project going. It seemed more like Marvel wanting to work with that dev and pub. Marvel just wants quality titles to be produced. If MS does what they have to do, and Marvel is down, I could see them getting an exclusive Marvel game as well.

Exactly - I don't see Studio Gobo being the ones entrusted with it though.
 
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