you got to have the most powerful console in the world for a year though. that's not worth $400? I thought people that got the Pro were the tech early adopters that didn't mind frequent hardware upgrades.
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Analyst behind predicting ps4 pro and slim says ps4 sucessor is coming 2018
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I have a hard time believing those prices would be enough for Sony. They want a premium device for a premium price in their line-up.
Vanillalite
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This poster gets it.
Crayon
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No no and no.
killatopak
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What Zodiac sign though?
Fredrik
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What's the point in locking down exclusives like Shenmue 3 and FF7 Remake etc for PS4 if they'll launch PS5 this early? Wouldn't make any sense imo. We haven't even had one single Gran Turismo yet, or God of War, for PS4, we've only had one Naughty Dog game beside the remasters. Like someone said, it feels like PS4 is hittng it's stride just now.
This. What about if they announce very early, as a way to kill any Scorpio hype.
autoduelist
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I seriously doubt it. 2020 more likely, imo. PS4 already selling great, the Pro is picking up the middle, and there is no reason to risk market burnout / etc. The PS4 is still in full swing, most people don't even pick up 'next gen' til year 3-5, so why introduce market confusion when you're already ahead of the game and right in the sweet spot? Somewhere in the 2019-2021 range is my guess.
Because they hit their peak like 3 years in, 4-5 more years with little improvement starts to take it's toll, and towards the end is probably when people start looking into getting a PC or now a more powerful competing console. Which is what Sony said the Pro was their attempt to stop or at least minimise. 6 years is the sweet spot imo, just long enough for you to want something more beefy.
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Also, gotta keep in mind it's not like the old gen is completely abandoned once the new one releases, it's a transition period of over a year or 2 before current gen exclusives become the norm.
Trigonometrize.
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It's possible. It just seems like a weird move to bring back console cycles to five years when devs are barely getting games out in that amount of time.
Crayon
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I would say most buyers of a 2018 ps5 would be pro buyers. A ps5 in 2018 would have little or even no exclusive games. They would have to have some pretty solid strategy to do it but those buyers will have another 400 bucks burning a hole in their pocket by holiday 2018.
SolarMystic
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Even if it did come out fall of 2018, we wouldn't get an announcement until spring 2018 at the earliest.
I'm betting next gen consoles in 2019 though.
I'm betting next gen consoles in 2019 though.
NOLA_Gaffer
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Generations were typically five years in the past, and with tech moving quicker than ever these days it makes sense.
Dash_Riprock
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Because people have the memory span of a goldfish* and don't remember that the PS3/360/Wii gen was abnormally long compared to what came before it.
*Mythbusted, I know.
Is it? Unless you want the PS4 to drop <100€, next gen is going to arrive sooner than you might think.
I'm with everyone who thinks a slimmer, cheaper PS4 Pro is the next thing to come down the pipeline followed by a PS5 in 2019-2020. Sony has a really successful console in the PS4 and they're going to ride that train as long as possible.
5-6 years should be the limit on console generations. The phenomenal response to current gen and the rapid abandonment of PS3/360 showed people were fucking done with those old machines.
5-6 years should be the limit on console generations. The phenomenal response to current gen and the rapid abandonment of PS3/360 showed people were fucking done with those old machines.
PHOENIXZERO
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lol yeah I checked this guy's "prediction" was reported by the WSJ on June 30th last year and we were hearing about the Neo in at the very least three months prior.
And really, who couldn't predict the Slim version was coming? That was obviously going to happen in 2016 before the damn PS4 came out.
EDIT: And yeah, next stop is a Pro Slim with a price cut.
And really, who couldn't predict the Slim version was coming? That was obviously going to happen in 2016 before the damn PS4 came out.
EDIT: And yeah, next stop is a Pro Slim with a price cut.
Fredrik
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That would piss off original PS4 Pro buyers.
Sony and Microsoft are having a Tic Tok power arms race.
Announcing a more powerful console for 2018 basically kills any 3rd party momentum Scorpio would have. The Microsoft will announce a Scorpio 2 for 2019 Sony a PSNext for 2020 ect
Trigonometrize.
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But games are also taking longer and longer to make. Consoles, when you think about it, are actually the boxes that curb the explosion of tech so developers can sit down with systems and make a couple games, not just one and immediately have to readjust.
So PS4 Pro owners bought the system because it was better than the OG system but they would be pissed if Sony released a new system that was better than their system?
I think most buyers would be those that skipped out on the Pro. Pro owners will be upset but will still buy to be able to play PS5 games.
I know I'd be in line to get one as a day 1 PS4 owner that didn't buy a Pro. After 5 years I'm OK with a next gen PS5.
autoduelist
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I know early adopters / enthusiasts and those with thick wallets really want new tech on a swift, regular, cycle, but honestly, these people are a small minority. The majority don't even buy into a console cycle till years 3-5 (usually after a revision and a significant price drop), and those people still want to have their 'new' console be 'new/relevant' for several years.
Appeasing the early adopters has some merit, but at the high risk of burning out the loyal base. $400-$500 is a huge purchase for many families, and given it's a gaming system, it's a pure luxury item. A gen of about 8 years ($50 a year for hardware, at $400) is about the right price point. Someone buying in late at $300 still is getting around $50 a year.
While other markets support many iterations, the console market is historically different. Many console owners like to have the 'top of the line' machine, even if it's years old and no longer 'cutting edge' compared to PCs. That's not the draw - the draw is being able to pick the newest game off the shelf at the store and knowing it'll play and be 'just as good' as the guy down the street playing the same game, with no hassle.
Appeasing the early adopters has some merit, but at the high risk of burning out the loyal base. $400-$500 is a huge purchase for many families, and given it's a gaming system, it's a pure luxury item. A gen of about 8 years ($50 a year for hardware, at $400) is about the right price point. Someone buying in late at $300 still is getting around $50 a year.
While other markets support many iterations, the console market is historically different. Many console owners like to have the 'top of the line' machine, even if it's years old and no longer 'cutting edge' compared to PCs. That's not the draw - the draw is being able to pick the newest game off the shelf at the store and knowing it'll play and be 'just as good' as the guy down the street playing the same game, with no hassle.
boneyjangles
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My move to entirely consoles and discard of PC gaming is based on backwards compatibility, my library carrying over, and no hard generations, so to speak.
I don't mind if it's glitchy or there are teething problems, or games need to be patched, but it needs to happen.
Likewise if when the switch successor comes in 4 years or whatever, i don't want to be re-buying my library again
I don't mind if it's glitchy or there are teething problems, or games need to be patched, but it needs to happen.
Likewise if when the switch successor comes in 4 years or whatever, i don't want to be re-buying my library again
The Artisan
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there were plenty of quality titles coming out for the consoles after their peaks. i would've been fine with another whole year of Ps3/360 to be honest and the Ps4 and xbone come out in 2014. the more years the merrier
KingdomHeartsFan
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Don't believe that.
Salty Hippo
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I hope it happens and Microsoft's strategy of banking mostly on better multiplats to move hardware falls flat. I don't like any company using multiplats to gain ground. Sony's marketing deal push is also disgusting, but at least they bring it when it comes to first and third-party exclusives. Succeed by making your own games, and/or by funding other people's games. That's the best precedent to be set for gamers in general.
PHOENIXZERO
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It helps when the boxes are using the same architecture and nearly the same hardware and are basically bigger versions of the ones that came before it so they're not starting from scratch with new consoles anymore.
In mobile maybe but it's not moving faster than ever elsewhere, compared to 2005 things are moving at a relative snails pace.
Thats why crossgen titles exist. They target last gen specs and next gen consoles run them easily. Then in 2-3 years the real next gen games drop for a few years before a new set of crossgen titles start again.
That's the cross gen period. Before current gen fully takes over.
So GAF <Internet < GAF with WSJ editor claiming auccess bases on GAF earlier leaks. Unless he predicted that before GAF, I call him another Michael Pachter. Man so editors lately thinking they got the scoop but don't acknowledge the GAF hive mind. Regadding PS5, I think 2019 is the earliest release, but kinda defeats the purpose of releasing Pros and Scorpiosnor mid gen upgrades when 2 years later another new console. I will never buy a mid gen upgrade because chances are a new console gets announced soon. If Switch becomes a Wii sales machine, theb I expect MS and Sony to rush next gen ASAP
Abinash117
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Reading it closely; the original article says "next-gen PlayStation" , so maybe it is not the PS5?
Dee Dah Dave
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Trigonometrize.
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Do we know this for a fact though? You never know with Sony I feel like.
Cross-gen games are really lame from the technical side of things if they're on the new console but aren't impressive for the new console. If a developer is making every other game cross-gen I can't say I'd be down.
PS4 reached 200 before the Switch launch. I just don't see the price not falling anymore for two years, I don't see Sony not wanting to have a premium device in their repertoire and lastly I don't see a PS4 Pro 2 happening. It will be either just PlayStation at that point (which would still be a next-gen device) or straight up the PS5. Tech won't stop to progress just because Sony and MS want to sell their consoles for a longer period of time.
The Artisan
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from 2011-2013 the xbone and Ps4 didn't have any successors (wii did but no one perceived 8th gen starting till Ps4/xbone) so i don't see how that is a cross gen period, if the new consoles weren't even out yet
LukasTaves
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I can see a Ps5 is coming type of announcement/tease to steal the thunder from scorpio, but not actually releasing next year.
2014 was the cross gen period, pretty much every major game was also on the PS360 too. A lot of 2015's too.
chrisPjelly
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Ehhhh I hope not. Maybe the PS360 era threw everything off for me, but I feel like we're only barely past the halfway mark
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