Why would anyone in Japan buy MH on PS4 when there's traditional MH on Switch?
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Why would anyone in Japan buy MH on PS4 when there's traditional MH on Switch?
This don't make any sense to me.
The community is not on ps4 and the last sony platform that hold it was the psp.
There is nothing other than dust and tears there.
The only viable option is to go full all in with nintendo, just because it always be a "print money" option until now.
Capcom, like on past, don't want to split the community, and they are right.
The community is not on ps4 and the last sony platform that hold it was the psp.
There is nothing other than dust and tears there.
The only viable option is to go full all in with nintendo, just because it always be a "print money" option until now.
Capcom, like on past, don't want to split the community, and they are right.
Jawmuncher
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I think it's a case where even though BB can have high level play. The souls games are still easier to play than MonHun. So long as you're patient you can get by a lot in BB by just dodging and grinding for leveling up.
You can argue that you could do the same thing in MonHun, but with the gameplay loop the way it is. Most players would probably give up before "getting good".Since there's so many more factors on tackling the hunts.
Frontier is an MMO. While the nintendo games are true experiences.
It's not a surprise it was a failure. Frontier came to vita as well and no one cared. People don't want the MMOs really.
Capcom isn't going for the already established community, they're going for new people.
They want to aim at all of those people who go "I wish the series was on PS4/PC consoles" and "The series is too hard as it is"
Anyone else from the original entries that doesn't mind the change is just more money to them. Those that dislike the change will have their
original style games on the switch.
It makes sense to me and I dont find it that stupid of a business decision either. Now the part where Sony paid a huge amount of money for Japanese exclusivity is maybe the only part of the transaction that is questionable, but we dont know how much Sony paid so maybe its well worth it. Console Monster Hunters never sold that well anyway. The Switxh getting the portable series makes sense too.
I have a feeling that the series is doing better in the west and is gaining some traction. With the Switch being popular, A Sony exclusive MH5 may even help the Switch version being well received in the west. I think Sony will be the one that will have the least benefit from this transaction.
I have a feeling that the series is doing better in the west and is gaining some traction. With the Switch being popular, A Sony exclusive MH5 may even help the Switch version being well received in the west. I think Sony will be the one that will have the least benefit from this transaction.
SF5 would have come around eventually. Capcom was just resisting funding it. Its not like Capcom has a million franchises it can rely on. I can see Internally people are frustrated because its been done poorly. I mean 3D Edition of SFIV on 3DS is within striking distance of the sales of SFV. SFIV total sales are north of 5.3 million units. SFV at this point will break 2 million eventually
SporeCrawler
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only that it was released on PC using cryengine 3. i dont know if it was the big hit people wished for
I think the rumor is a bizarre wishful thinking and someone trying to hedge their bets to make it sound believable. Comes across as sort of a monkey's paw deal, where Sony gets the new numbered MH as an exclusive!.. But it's a watered down semi-generic open world game?
To me, a much more plausible situation would be MH5 continuing to build on the same fundamentals like 4, but graduating to "regular" multiplat status and coming out on PS4/XB1/PC/Switch.
To me, a much more plausible situation would be MH5 continuing to build on the same fundamentals like 4, but graduating to "regular" multiplat status and coming out on PS4/XB1/PC/Switch.
RichiRamjag
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Even if true, it's a win for me(own all of the systems). I don't mind them keeping the traditional gameplay on handheld.
Soulsborne games have a lock-on system in place, MH games don't. Casual players or impatient players will be hitting air 90% of the time. Also, a good chunk of playtime is dedicated to preparation. Casual players do not like that. They want to jump straight in.
Serenitynow
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I doubt neither Sony nor Capcom knew that was in the cards when this deal was drawn up
I dont agree with that Sony is desperate for the Japanese market - it doesnt matter what they do there but MHV PS4 wont have a big impact on the PS4 hardware sales considering they already get all 3rdParty game. Same for hardware sales compared to Switch - there isnt anything they can do to outsell the Switch at this point.
They are willing pay big buck for MHV on PS4 even though they dont really need it..but didnt bother to moneyhat the game for the Vita that pretty much relied on the series ? A bit difficult to believe.
They are willing pay big buck for MHV on PS4 even though they dont really need it..but didnt bother to moneyhat the game for the Vita that pretty much relied on the series ? A bit difficult to believe.
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James Scott
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3DS launched with SF4 and Mercenaries a few months later. Revelations was announced for it at the time too.
BennyBlanco
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if true, wouldn't be surprised if capcom vancouver is the team making the ps4 game
I agree with this reasoning. Introducing MH on PS4 would have to move the player base basically over from a handheld platform to dedicated at home console gaming, and introduce paid online interaction for multiplayer guild hunts. To move the franchise from where it is now to a PS4 ecosystem just doesn't really add up to me.
chrisPjelly
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The fact that Capcpom is trying to westernize it makes it completely plausible to me. Hopefully this just means that they're taking the Dragon's Dogma team and telling them to incorporate Monster Hunter elements into their game. Regardless, it seems at least that I'll still have traditional MonHun on Switch if it doesn't work out.
MH has had a perfectly serviceable "lock on" since 3G/3U and the preparation issues aren't that hard to address. They could let you pay additional money/points to get a slightly expanded kit at the start of the mission that's tailored to the specific hunt. Even food buffs are really straightforward as of X/Generations.
Sony wants the PS4 to do well in their home market. And for a time PS4 looked pretty bad in Japan. Look at Square Enix. This week they talked about how they don't have enough confidence in the PS4 in Japan for DQXI to do great numbers.
Portable Japanese players butter Capcom's Monster Hunter bread.
The notion that Capcom would potentially self sabotage their most lucrative series for another exclusivity deal(when deals like SFV and DR4 have been, let's say, tepid endeavors at best) sounds absolutely ridiculous.
That's not to say Capcom probably wouldn't like more Western purchases, but directly jumping to "let's make a game for westerners that cuts out our Japanese playerbase so Sony gets a bone" is Capcom 100% kneecapping themselves and I don't buy it for a second.
The notion that Capcom would potentially self sabotage their most lucrative series for another exclusivity deal(when deals like SFV and DR4 have been, let's say, tepid endeavors at best) sounds absolutely ridiculous.
That's not to say Capcom probably wouldn't like more Western purchases, but directly jumping to "let's make a game for westerners that cuts out our Japanese playerbase so Sony gets a bone" is Capcom 100% kneecapping themselves and I don't buy it for a second.
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Yea, apparently they help pay for localization and do the marketing in the West for it. Which is why this whole "MonHun to PS4" thing makes no sense to me, why would they throw away a deal like that (especially when it would just hurt them in Japan where handhelds rule)?
Serenitynow
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When OP says Monster Hunter Portable 5, that refers to it being the fifth portable game, and not a tradition version of MH5 under a new name, right? A bit confused.
SpiceMelange
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That was 13 years ago, back when console online game was in its infancy. The ps4 market is incredibly different from the ps2 market. I for one think an activity based RPG focused on online social play would be massively popular not unlike Destiny if properly marketed (big focus on community like LFG, clans, etc. Marketing it as Bloodborne meets Destiny). In the ps2 days very few people played online on their console.
This make no sense at all.
How is interested on mh, play and buy mh and love his original gameplay.
If they want to attact new people with a new style they make just a new ip.
Deep down they did call it, right?
It's happen already in past.
And it was a new chapter of resident evil, that lately became "devil my cry" just because it was too much different gameplay-wise
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Because it's MH sequel?
OrbitalBeard
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I thought you were talking about MH support. If you're talking general platform support, then yes, Capcom was waaaay more aggressive on 3DS from the start.
It's a camera lock-on, created because the OG 3DS didn't had the second nub, to help you face the monster, not your typical enemey lock-on system. You can't follow an enemy, like strafing around it, like you do in the Soulsborne game, Zelda games etc. Casual players will just be confused. WTF is this shit lock-on system, it's broken!
I think it means traditional version of the game under a new of name.
E_Darkness
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It sure was. Analog attack controls are the superior control method. Who needs camera controls for MH?
That's not exactly how it works. Check out the sales of any of the past home console releases.
SilverLunar
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What if the new gameplay Mh for sony turns out to be good? It might be the Resident Evil 4 of Monster Hunter games, a new beginning.
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
If this rumor has some truth to it wouldn't it be better to go back to the "Portable" scheme? Release Monster Hunter 5 on PS4 but 6-12 months later they can release Monster Hunter 5 Portable on Switch. This way they can cater to fans on both sides of the spectrum without stepping in Sony"s or Nintendo's toes.
I love Monster Hunter and I sure as hell wouldn't miss gathering.
Or at least fucking gathering missions. The ones in Generations are asinine.
Yeah but one moneyhat is not gonna change that. In the current gen PS4 at this point has like the most support from japan by a mileage, switch is not gonna be near it for at least a year (as in ammount of games released from japan). The problem here is that stationry system overall have a harder standing in japan, this is a structure problem, not a software problem. That sounds like the stuff that Nintendo would utter during the Wiiu Era with one game can change everything which also was bullocks.
Seems like a super bad deal to me
SporeCrawler
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well capcom is releasing streetfighter 2 and MHXX within the first 6 months so its not that bad
Shin
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8.6 million apparently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_IV but yeah that's a big difference between 1.6M+ for SFV.
You'd think they would come up with a different tactic to push sales by now (different / more complete version and what's not).
Didn't the dpad control the camera? I don't really care for the analog combat, I was more referring to the online components which were pretty rare and substantial at the time.
Well, i don't know which story did you learn about the re series.
But chapter 4 is where RE start to go down the hill.
Eolz
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I think they paid the localization for Tri only, and helped paying for others. They also paid for the servers of Tri, distributed the games in EU several times, paid a lot for marketing, tied the release of the New 3DS in the west with 4U, etc.
They did more for the franchise in the west than Sony ever did (without even counting the rumor of what happened for P3rd/P3rd HD).
When it doesn't even have a traditional gameplay but simplified combat and QTEs?
+MH doesn't sell well on consoles.
darkside31337
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Even so the idea they're frustrated at Sony because they made a bad, broken, half finished game makes no sense?? Sony pushed that game way harder than it deserved on its own merits.
Just can't imagine Sony paying for exclusivity and not making sure there weren't other MH games coming out in the same year on the system they were directly competing against
I think you're really overestimating how much people rely on lock-on. You get an intuitive sense of when and when not to use it in Souls, especially with large bosses, so people who came over from Souls wouldn't suddenly become helpless without "true" lock-on.
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