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Daily Beast: President Trump Turned International Diplomacy Into A Fistfight—And Lost

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Ether_Snake

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Spladam said:
Besides the golf cart joke and the all the Saudi shenanigans, this moment might "Trump" all of them:
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Emmanuel Macron: my handshake with Trump was 'a moment of truth'

I find myself trying to explain this to people a lot lately.
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Yeah I think Macron might be quite liked if this keeps up.

The biggest problem for Trump is that unlike Bush, nobody is afraid of him. Back in the Bush years, the US' foreign policy was instilling fear, not chuckles, around the world. Trump is seen as a joke everywhere, and his administration only has some popular support, but no actual systemic support. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, they had a grip on the country. The Trump admin has nothing but leaks and infighting.

I think the absurdity of everything we've been through will eventually culminate with Macron breaking Trump's nose with a headbutt.
 
Spladam

Spladam

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I bet Donald thinks this is so clever, like some secret technique that he can write about in a book (have someone else write about) one day. His "power handshake". He really does not know how transparent he is, and THAT is fucking crazy scary.

Besides the fact that it looks fucking ridiculous. "I pull them in real close with my manly power, and then they respect me". What. A. Joke.
 
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Killa Sasa

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Do some really not understand that the international rep Trump is giving is "half of your country is Fuckwit City and voted for this?"? You have to understand that allies are thinking that even if/when the populace comes to its senses, there's the chance that morons will destabilize relationships again in less than 10 years?

Instability is bad for international relations. They won't dump you completely, but it is 100% in their best interest to keep you at arm's length and only bring you in if they need - not to help you, but to help themselves. There won't be nearly as many long term plans of import with you unless there are safeguards in place, especially since your leadership is apt to just slash everything they want to with no regard for the ripple effect.

Acting like you want to be alone will make sure you're alone. JFC.
 
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digdug2k

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knitoe said:
These days, I see this posted constantly, but sorry, no. We can bitch about the "leader," pretty much everything applies to Trump, but unless another nation can step up, be the "world police," "super power" and etc., the USA will continue to be in charge. It will take many decades before another country can overtake the USA dominance. By then, many presidents would have come and gone. During that time, one(s) of them could have get America's leadership badge back.
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Thank God we'll all be dead and these countries all destroyed long before "decades" have passed.
 
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Proxy

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We never really recovered from the disastrous foreign policy of the preceding Republican administration and this shit head has put the nail into the proverbial coffin.
 
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Ushojax

Should probably not trust the 7-11 security cameras quite so much
ldar247 said:
He's only going to be president for like 3 more years at most. Can he really do that much damage in a short time?
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GWB managed to start 2 wars in his first term alone. 4 years is a long time.
 
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SporeCrawler

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trump could have publicly shat on the table and slapped merkel on the face and people in america would have cheered. hell he could have probably even pulled out a gun and killed macron without risking anything domestically.

and that is the real problem here. domestically trump is limited due to check and balances. internationally he can do what he wants. he may - de facto - even start wars without asking congress.
 
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Skyzard

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Drunk tourist with access to nukes sounds about right.

knitoe said:
These days, I see this posted constantly, but sorry, no. We can bitch about the "leader," pretty much everything applies to Trump, but unless another nation can step up, be the "world police," "super power" and etc., the USA will continue to be in charge. It will take many decades before another country can overtake the USA dominance. By then, many presidents would have come and gone. During that time, one(s) of them could have get America's leadership badge back.
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The US is the world's bully.
 
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Diancecht

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As a European, I think when/if the time comes and we have to activate the fifth, US will abandon us. I don't trust Trump but more than anything, I don't trust the stability of US politics. They could very well chose another Trump to "lead the free world".
 
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Dubbedinenglish

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ldar247 said:
He's only going to be president for like 3 more years at most. Can he really do that much damage in a short time?
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Yes. Stability is one thing the US could be depended on by other nations. Now with such drastic changes from the Obama admin, allies will see the US as unstable and thus unreliable for other negotiations.
 
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gutter_trash

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Trump single handidly made the US weakest its ever been in over a century

nobody takes the US seriously anymore

Trump "... Mexico is going to pay for it"

Nieto: "No we're not"

Trump... "---------"
 
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nephilimdj

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Ofcourse he wont, he proberly knows USA and Germany (BND) helped the coup on Turkey

Even Obama didnt care that much about the shooting down of Russian jets
 
Bitch Pudding

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ldar247 said:
He's only going to be president for like 3 more years at most. Can he really do that much damage in a short time?
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Well, who sais that Americans won't elect another chump? It's not their president which caused this damage, it's the American people themselves. They have proven to be ready to give anyone their vote if he or she is able to address their excessive national self-esteem, according to which the US is the greatest country in the world.

The damage is done, yes. Because even if the Dems are able to come up with a decent candidate and win the next election, which then tries to fix all the damage, who sais that four or eight years later the next demagogue doesn't destroy everything again?!
 
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Future

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The handshake thing really cracks me up. I mean... why. Of all things. Looks so stupid and awkward in all footage. Everyone receiving the handshake looks like someone hugging their mother in law. Like they want to stop but don't want to make a scene so they just kind of deal and hope it ends soon

I imagine trump having sex with his wife is a similar experience
 
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Lautaro

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Diancecht said:
As a European, I think when/if the time comes and we have to activate the fifth, US will abandon us. I don't trust Trump but more than anything, I don't trust the stability of US politics. They could very well chose another Trump to "lead the free world".
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What scares me more is that the american bar for politics is so low now that in the future they could choose a new Bush Jr and call it an "improvement".
 
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Angelus Errare

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ldar247 said:
He's only going to be president for like 3 more years at most. Can he really do that much damage in a short time?
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Yes. It's not like economies, international issues, national issues reset every 4 years when we get a new President or something. Not to mention someone as dumb as Trump can easily get elected again.
 
Haunted

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"An abdication of US leadership" <- that's the key sentence in that whole thing, I think. US is stepping back from a leading position, retreating into isolation and cutting back on the mutually beneficial commitments to their allies which will obviously lead to them having a lesser status and a lesser position within international relations. There are those who would say that a weaker US and a stronger EU, Russia, China will be a blessing, but certainly not for the American economy (or the naturally bloated pride of their people).

Bitch Pudding said:
Well, who sais that Americans won't elect another chump? It's not their president which caused this damage, it's the American people themselves. They have proven to be ready to give anyone their vote if he or she is able to address their excessive national self-esteem, according to which the US is the greatest country in the world.

The damage is done, yes. Because even if the Dems are able to come up with a decent candidate and win the next election, which then tries to fix all the damage, who says that four or eight years later the next demagogue doesn't destroy everything again?!
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Well said. The US electorate is unreliable and everything we've seen in the last couple months has shown the world that the incompetence and toxic ideology of the Republican party is a real danger to a stable geopolitical situation and to efforts for a lasting, global peace.
 
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Vena

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Bitch Pudding said:
The damage is done, yes. Because even if the Dems are able to come up with a decent candidate and win the next election, which then tries to fix all the damage, who sais that four or eight years later the next demagogue doesn't destroy everything again?!
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Fairly large chunks of the people/regions that voted Trump into office are on borrowed time. If Dems can re-seize control, if they hold it long enough large chunks of the demagogue base of idiot old white people will be dead because their 1900s economic stasis will have killed their neighborhoods and livelihoods. Dems won't even be able to save them by welfare.

The US will be saved by the fact that the cities and major economic centers do not give a shit about Trump and will continue to push the country and major population centers forward. This is also why Euro leaders will bide their time and try to limit Trump's idiotic damage.
 
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Kevtones

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pigeon interrupted

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U.S. diplomats likening him to a ‘drunk tourist'
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I know this is partly metaphorical regarding diplomacy but it is almost exactly what he looked like watching some of the videos and looking at the group photos of his trip.

He really did look like a tacky, blustery moron on holiday with his family. And everybody who met him looked like they were thinking down those lines.

No air of authority. Just an annoyance to be polite around until he goes home.
 
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Kthulhu

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Madness said:
Destroying you folks abroad. What these voters with the wool over their eyes don't see is, eventually even friends and family aka allies have their limits for abuse. It is easy for Trump to rail on Germant publicly or Canada or Mexico or Australia or Sweden but difficult to do it to your enemiea if you cannot back it up. America will continue as she has at home. Abroad you are seeing the end of US diplomatic leadership, the end of the US as a trusted leader and ally. The leader of Montenegro barely survived assassination and threats against his life to join NATO against Russia. How is he repaid. By a shove seen round the world one that his opposition has now seized on saying this is how the US reciprocated the move to join NATO, we should have stayed with Russia etc.

In the end, like Merkel said, EU will go on with a future where Britain and the US are not reliable. And countries may look elsewhere rather than to the US for leadership. NATO is and was an american geopolitical tool to combat the spread of communism and contain the Soviet Union and now Russia. Much like the pivot to Asia is meant to contain China. There is a reason for the US State Department to exist. A moron like Trump is out of his league here.
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The fact any country trusted the US after Bush took charge just shows how much of the world is a house of cards.

Half of our population won't turn out to vote, and the ones who do are split between a party that denies facts, and the other is run by clowns.
 
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IndoAssassin

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The Chinese took this guy to town. All he's got is his GDP military budget to boss around the EU. As soon as that doesn't work, who will he try to boss around next?
 
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PlayALLtheGames

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I'd like to get into a fist-fight with Trump.

And Pence.

I live a 4-stop metro ride from DC, so it would be reasonably feasible. And I would love to fuck them up beyond belief. Apparently, that is the only thing these guys understand and respect.
 
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