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[LukasTaves]

Can't believe how smart Spencer is. Playing Sony like a damn fiddle.
This might be the best move in console gaming history ever. Maybe top that FF7 betrayal.

Lol,

But seriously, multiple designs competing to be the actual console isn't exactly new in this industry, but Phil said that the point of this iterative console launching now was 4k, and even the one that didn't make it aimed at 4K, but for a scenario where 4k TV sets weren't widely adopted so they would deliver 4k with more compromises. There's no point in having 2 projects aimed at the same thing (deliver 4K), unless you want other people to think you are rushing to launch and willing to compromise at that aim.

It probably cost them a lot to keep this project going up to a point where everyone would be sure they were doing it though, so it may not have been a smart move at all XD

To me it would make the most sense if MS treated Scorpio as their true next-gen console instead of an iterative upgrade. I think most people would've understood moving on from Xbox One to something new. MS faces a difficult challenge to market the Scorpio because it's hard to pin down who exactly should buy this thing. They've made their own consoles redundant for customers that already have a gaming PC with Play Anywhere. And it seems that if you don't have a 4K TV and already have an older Xbox One you should stay put. If MS had treated this like a next-gen console the message would be a lot clearer - buy Scorpio if you still want to play Xbox games (no matter if you own a 4K TV or HDTV).



If so, then the mistake would be Microsoft's. I hope MS has some groundbreaking new feature to unveil that would be exclusive to Scorpio. If the message is 4K, 4K, 4K I think they will fail miserably.

This might be a better move if all you want is to try build hype for Scorpio, but long term is not a viable strategy.

Focusing on iterative consoles makes them always a viable and wealthy platform, even if they aren't the market leader, and ultimately lower the risks of losing it all during the generation shift.

 

[Yearsoflurking]

499 a year later for a mid gen refresh ? not buying it. the bom isn't even 399

 

[Sunset Samurai]

Thought what exactly? PS4 got "introduced" Feb 20, announced (with price and picture gallery and release timeframe as "this holiday") Jun 11. Available Nov 15. All in the same year.

Microsoft has so far already taken a full year's E3 cycle between "announcing" and delivering on any one bare requirement of an announcement. There is no price, no images of the final design. All we have is the "holiday" release time frame.

That's the stage. I believe you had a bububu Sony too point you wanted to make. Do.

It doesn't matter what was the time length. My statement still stands that they announced PS4 in that Feb without a visual console and price until that e3

You are obviously feeling some type of way today sir/ma'am

 

[cartoon_soldier]

449 was the sweet spot for MS. Now the price will overshadow everything.

 

[Curufinwe]

Will be Destiny 2 be shown?

 

[Theorry]

Will be Destiny 2 be shown?

No Destiny has PS marketing.

 

[RootCause]

I hope the Scorpio looks like the 360, imo the best looking console I've ever seen.

449 was the sweet spot for MS. Now the price will overshadow everything.

I think it's a ploy, to blow the audience away.

 

[MaulerX]

Geoff Keighley claims it's $499 on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/873920094346162176

For which SKU?

 

[Starfield]

So I made this Xbox Scorpio Hype trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1hPQipBPLM&feature=youtu.be


What you guys think?

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Also, I suspect it will be lower than that. Don't think Microsoft would show real price during rehearsals. Either way, it would still have a strong holiday, but afterwards? Not sure, we will see!

 

[Yoshimitsu126]

This is today? I was dead certain that this was tomorrow! Nice!

 

[Curufinwe]

Xbox 4K - $444.44.

I'd buy it.

 

[Fata1moose]

I hope the Scorpio looks like the 360, imo the best looking console I've ever seen.

Xbox One S and 360 e are their best consoles as far as aesthetics go.

 

[ryan299]

449 was the sweet spot for MS. Now the price will overshadow everything.

Yup. Press is gonna have a field day with that price if true.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

This is today? I was dead certain that this was tomorrow! Nice!

It's usually on a Monday, but MS moved up a day this year.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Man I can't believe I'm a few hours away from watching this live in person thanks to fanfest. I'm geeking out!

Me too. Almost there!

 

[hanspampel]

So I made this Xbox Scorpio Hype trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1hPQipBPLM&feature=youtu.be


What you guys think?

Hype is dead, sorry

 

[RootCause]

Xbox One S and 360 S are their best consoles as far as aesthetics go.

Sharp corners, and box-like design is hideous aesthetics in my opinion. This gen had some of the worst looking systems in years.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

Yup. Press is gonna have a field day with that price if true.

Yup already seeing Kotaku peeps talking about building just get a PC (which is still a very unrealistic comparison in terms of pricing).

I won't be surprised if this a 399.99/499.99 situation for two sku's. 1TB/2TB...if not huge missed opportunity by MS/Xbox.

I'll still buy one but damn.

 

[Merchandise]

Question:

Do you think they start with a completely new game (not Anthem) that dazzles people to death BEFORE telling them what the console is and how much it costs?

Or do they just start talking immediately?

I think the latter would be a mistake.

 

[FelipeMGM]

For which SKU?

that might be the troll

 

[Starfield]

Hype is dead, sorry

Dead? Hype has just begun.

 

[Sunset Samurai]

So I made this Xbox Scorpio Hype trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1hPQipBPLM&feature=youtu.be


What you guys think?

The orchestra gave me goose bumps 😛

 

[Colbert]

As I already said in another thread I am personally fine with $499 but it seems I am in the minority here.

 

[gamz]

Geoff Keighley claims it's $499 on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/873920094346162176

Not surprising. At all.

Seems about on par what people like DF were saying all along.

 

[Banamy]

WHY would Geoff leak it? Im not buying it.

 

[Starfield]

The orchestra gave me goose bumps 😛

It's from the Matrix Soundtrack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJZsoELTh_Y

 

[gamz]

As I already said in another thread I am personally fine with $499 but it seems I am in the minority here.

Same. I have zero issues with the price.

 

[Marvel]

As I already said in another thread I am personally fine with $499 but it seems I am in the minority here.

Nah I'm with you.

I saved ages ago and I'm happy to pay a higher price for a console that beasts my Pro.

 

[JeffG]

As I already said in another thread I am personally fine with $499 but it seems I am in the minority here.

End up $700 Canadian for me. PS4 Pro is currently $500.

If sony drops the price tomorrow of the Pro...it would give me pause anyways

 

[Rolf NB]

You are obviously feeling some type of way today sir/ma'am

So you didn't have a point after all, cool.

 

[Jerm411]

"Unless something changes today".....

I see you Geoff.

 

[Sunset Samurai]

WHY would Geoff leak it? Im not buying it.

This too, I just hope the 500 is just a different sku model like including an elite controller or something

So you didn't have a point after all, cool.

Point was Microsoft hasn't announced a price because the visual console hasn't been revealed. Then I gave an example of how Sony announced PS4 with no price or visual console until that e3. Not sure how much more I can break it down to you 😊

 

[gamz]

This too, I just hope the 500 is just a different sku model like including an elite controller or something

If it's 499 that the base model for sure.

 

[Fata1moose]

Sharp corners, and box-like design is hideous aesthetics in my opinion. This gen had some of the worst looking systems in years.

I like the minimalist design it blends in with the rest of an entertainment center.

 

[RootCause]

This too, I just hope the 500 is just a different sku model like including an elite controller or something

is Geoff leaking? Or just giving a guess?

 

[Poodlestrike]

So, 399-499 is the clear sweet spot. Anything less is unrealistic, anything more is an obvious dealbreaker. I think that the "dead at 499" guys are overstating the case. If 449 is workable, 499 isn't a huge stretch for what's being billed as a premium upgrade product.

As for what it's actually gonna be, the rumor mill is clearly fixed on 499. We'll see if that pans out, but either way I think it's probably fine.

 

[El_Chino]

Since when does Geoff leak things?

 

[LukasTaves]

WHY would Geoff leak it? Im not buying it.

Yeah, that seems odd. Has he ever leaked something like that before?

 

[cartoon_soldier]

I think it's a ploy, to blow the audience away.

What... No.

 

[N7Commander95]

Why on earth would Geoff leaks this, and specifically say 'unless anything changes today'

Like what a weird way to leak info, and wouldn't this put his relationship with a big publisher in trouble?

 

[gamz]

Since when does Geoff leak things?

Jez confirmed it:

"No, I tweeted last night that it would be 449-499, Geoff confirmed tho".

 

[RedFury]

So, 399-499 is the clear sweet spot. Anything less is unrealistic, anything more is an obvious dealbreaker. I think that the "dead at 499" guys are overstating the case. If 449 is workable, 499 isn't a huge stretch for what's being billed as a premium upgrade product.

As for what it's actually gonna be, the rumor mill is clearly fixed on 499. We'll see if that pans out, but either way I think it's probably fine.

I think they mean dead world wide. In US they'll do ok, maybe in UK too. Else where though... like others have said for some that's 700 bucks.

 

[hanspampel]

As I already said in another thread I am personally fine with $499 but it seems I am in the minority here.

i'm fine with the price in a vacum and for the hardware you get
but the $499 reveal will cause negative reactions among the customer base and also the gaming press.

and all this negative talk about the price will overshadow anything possible good about the conference
this year E3 will be the "Scorpio $499" conference in the history books.
nothing positive about games or anything



and it would've been so easy to prevent this:
just make a fucking "starting at $399" claim and make the launch SKU $499
same they did with the Xbox One S
people like you and me will be fine with the price and everyone else will be fine, because they console could get it for $399

 

[Colbert]

Same. I have zero issues with the price.

Nah I'm with you.

I saved ages ago and I'm happy to pay a higher price for a console that beasts my Pro.

End up $700 Canadian for me. PS4 Pro is currently $500.

If sony drops the price tomorrow of the Pro...it would give me pause anyways

i'm fine with the price in a vacum and for the hardware you get
but the $499 reveal will cause negative reactions among the customer base and also the gaming press.

and all this negative talk about the price will overshadow anything possible good about the conference
this year E3 will be the "Scorpio $499" conference in the history books.
nothing positive about games or anything



and it would've been so easy to prevent this:
just make a fucking "starting at $399" claim and make the launch SKU $499
same they did with the Xbox One S
people like you and me will be fine with the price and everyone else will be fine, because the console could've been get for $399

We are still minority if you read all the comments LOL

This will be a console deliver native 4K most of the time for just $500 bucks and comes with a UHD BluRay Player too. If you want to have the same experience on a PC you have at least invest $900 on the PC and maybe $300 on the BluRay Player. For me that's still a good deal.

 

[El_Chino]

Why on earth would Geoff leaks this, and specifically say 'unless anything changes today'

Like what a weird way to leak info, and wouldn't this put his relationship with a big publisher in trouble?

That's my thought process as well.

Jez confirmed it:

"No, I tweeted last night that it would be 449-499, Geoff confirmed tho".

I guess only time will tell.

 

[Sunset Samurai]

is Geoff leaking? Or just giving a guess?

He seems to be pretty confident :-/. They need to at least give a 200-250 trade in with the xbox one s if true

 

[kevin1025]

WHY would Geoff leak it? Im not buying it.

Everyone wants the scoop.

 

[RedFury]

We are still minority if you read all the comments LOL

What is baffling for me is that this will be a console deliver native 4K most of the time for just $500 bucks and comes with a UHD BluRay Player too. If you want to have the same experience on a PC you have at least invest $1000 of money on the PC and maybe $300 on the BluRay Player. For thats still a very good deal.

Lol wow this post is full of shit. 300 for a bluray player? Some of the budget cards are 4k capable now. Bluray drives you can get in the 20-80 range depending on what your looking for.

 

[Rolf NB]

Point was Microsoft hasn't announced a price because the visual console hasn't been revealed. Then I gave an example of how Sony announced PS4 with no price or visual console until that e3. Not sure how much more I can break it down to you 😊

I'll do it for you.

My statement is they have to announce the price today. I'll expand that further: they went a ridiculous amount of time without it. The reason for that is they needed to grab attention and stay in the conversation, and announcing the price would have deflated the hype. If they do it today, it will deflate the hype ... today. Same reasons to not do it today as in the past year.

Your statement still is bububu Sony too. You just needed to get that out, but you're not interested to talk about it further.