chameleonboy
Banned
Looks like he might be a victim too if he was too drunk to consent
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Bachelor production shut down after crew films sexual assault
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Looks like he might be a victim too if he was too drunk to consent
SwipeLeftHoney
Banned
These two messed everything up man. The show was golden. They basically took all interesting characters from both the bachelor and bachelorette and threw them into this show every year. It was the best thing to come out of those two shows and it's all ruined because of two people who couldn't handle their liquor and emotions.
OG Shaka Zulu
Member
Reality TV was a mistake.
cartographer
Member
The few "she's no angel" attempts in this thread (and in media coverage) are unambiguously heinous.
Production knew these two were considered controversial from their original seasons and pushed this coupling. Probably a factor in not stepping in. They were getting footage they thought they want. Reprehensible.
This isn't going to go away.
Production knew these two were considered controversial from their original seasons and pushed this coupling. Probably a factor in not stepping in. They were getting footage they thought they want. Reprehensible.
This isn't going to go away.
Monochromaticx
Member
The Rapist
Skinny Pete
Banned
Dude wtf. If that isn't classic rape I don't know what is. Fuck The camera guys for not stepping in here.
Sarcastic Poster
Member
I do think there's a level of drunkenness where consent can be given but this is pretty cut and dry rape.
Well it's different from person to person but for me I can trigger with rapid consumption of high proof liquor. For me it's different from just really drunk where you have fuzzy memory. There's just nothing at all, not even the hint of a memory.
And if you're wondering how much... The clearest instance this happened was when I consumed like a fifth (750mL?) of vodka within 30 min. And kept drinking.
Etrian Oddity
Member
holy shit, fucking disgusting
perfectchaos007
Member
Obviously there's conflicting reports of what happened from both sides, and even though its disgusting the producers kept recording the assault, that footage will ultimately be crucial in determining punishments. I would hate to be the judge that had to watch those tapes
From her statements I dont think it is. She pretty much said 'I dont blame him, we were both drunk. I already have a boyfriend.'
Since the main shows are on all the time in our house (not this spin off one though), I immediately recognized both names. I hesitated and took a minute to jump in here. I dislike both individuals quite strongly and don't want to be seen as victim-shaming one or bolstering one or something because that isn't the case. That said, I personally feel that the party most likely at fault here is probably the show itself/producers/crew/whatever. Even though they may not actually force/encourage this stuff to happen, they allow it seemingly all the time.
IMO....
Corinne has shown her drunken promiscuity and using her sexuality to get what she wants regularly in the past (not that that means she deserved what appears to be textbook rape here. Because she doesn't). DeMario has shown his complete dishonesty and willingness to take advantage of a situation as much as he possibly can with lies. The show should have seen these qualities in both of them and stopped this shit before it started. Instead they sat back and allowed it to unfold in order to get a few risque promo shots to advertise their show.
IMO....
Corinne has shown her drunken promiscuity and using her sexuality to get what she wants regularly in the past (not that that means she deserved what appears to be textbook rape here. Because she doesn't). DeMario has shown his complete dishonesty and willingness to take advantage of a situation as much as he possibly can with lies. The show should have seen these qualities in both of them and stopped this shit before it started. Instead they sat back and allowed it to unfold in order to get a few risque promo shots to advertise their show.
Depends on if the part of her being completely unconcious is accurate, imo. It's one reason I think all these people who go out getting hammered and having drunken sex are morons.
At the point where he's moving her limp body like a fucking sex doll, we can probably say he was consenting...
Fuck this logic. If you do stupid shit while drunk, it's your fault. Same as drunk driving. How the hell is someone supposed to know exactly how much someone else had to drink.
"Thanks for offering to fool around, but I need to test your blood alcohol level first to make sure I'm not raping you"
The TV thing appears to be a guy doing shit to an unconscious woman. That's rape.
I will wait for more facts about this. However, if the account about him hefting her limp, unconscious body out of the hot tub and splaying her out on the ground to perform oral sex are accurate, then I am reluctant to think of him as a victim. To put it mildly.
imo, if one person is unconcious it's rape 100% of the time. If she doesn't care, then there's nothing that can be done about it I guess. Though it also makes you wonder if he's victimized anyone else in this way.
Clockwork
Member
Since being drunk means you cannot provide consent what happens when both parties are intoxicated? Some of the posters will twist this, but why is he immediately labeled the monster, slimeball, rapist, etc?
We don't know who initiated said activity, it appears both of them reciprocated sexually. All we know is that two young and attractive people had inappropriate drunken sex. Other cast mates have provided contradicting report that provide argument for either side. We also know that the two remain cordial and are on speaking terms post incident, with the "victim" only really blaming the film crew.
I don't think it is as black and white as some want to make it and I certainly wouldn't admonish just the male in this situation and/or get my pitchfork out just yet.
We don't know who initiated said activity, it appears both of them reciprocated sexually. All we know is that two young and attractive people had inappropriate drunken sex. Other cast mates have provided contradicting report that provide argument for either side. We also know that the two remain cordial and are on speaking terms post incident, with the "victim" only really blaming the film crew.
I don't think it is as black and white as some want to make it and I certainly wouldn't admonish just the male in this situation and/or get my pitchfork out just yet.
pirateluigi
Member
In the US, the law varies from state to state, but it typically describes "too drunk to give consent" as incapacitated by alcohol. That phrase also has a bunch of interpretations, but if the daily mail blurb is accurate, that would be a prime example. Regardless, it doesn't appear that he was incapacitated by alcohol during that time and she may have been.
WordAssassin
Member
Jesus fuckkkking Christ that is disgusting O___O
this happened in Mexico
Word.
Did you miss the unconcious part? That makes it much more black and white. Also, it's true that rape can be difficult to prove and there are times it's impossible to verify one way or the other.
Warm Machine
Member
I'll wait for a full transcript of the tapes. If the two cast are on good terms it does seem like they are both the victim of producers encouraging things outside their comfort zone. Given the nature of intoxication and one being blackout drunk I can't go only on emotion here.
pirateluigi
Member
Yeah, I'm just speaking in generalities. I have no idea what the law is or how the law applies in Mexico.
cartographer
Member
For the record, you guys can ask questions about how drunk the man was and whether he was able to consent without trying to shame the woman.
The Greek Freak
Member
Despite what people like to say to make themselves feel like they are better than everyone else shit is hard when both people in a sexual situation are drunk as shit.
Early in college I woke up with a girl and a used condom. Neither of us remembered even leaving the party we were at. Luckily we both realized we were both way too drunk and even though we clearly had sex neither of us felt like the other did something wrong. I've posted this story before and been called a rapist for it. Did we both rape each other? Am I the only one of the two that is a rapist just because I have the penis? How sober does the other person need to be for it to be sexual assault? What if one person is really drunk, and the other is blackout drunk but seems to be fine?
I basically instated a "we both have to be stone cold sober the first time I have sex with someone new rule" before I met my wife just to avoid a VERY shitty situation. Hell when me and my wife used to drink alot there were times where we had sex where one of us didn't remember and the other 100% thought the other person was just regular drunk.
The situation described in the OP is pretty cut and dry though that she was passed the fuck out and he went from there which is super fucking gross.
Clockwork
Member
So you saw the tapes? Tell me more.
Although 99% of the time I roll my eyes at "we don't know all the facts" replies, in this case I agree 100%.
chameleonboy
Banned
Which is why I'm waiting to find out what accounts are actually true before judging the situation rather than relying on hearsay to condemn someone
And there is a disputing claim that she was shoving her genitals in his face. So we don't know exactly what happened, until someone that sees the videos says.
If that daily mail article is to be believed both are apparently on speaking terms, and she mostly blames the show producers.
So right now this seems like a very complicated situation, and both parties could actually be victims. We won't know until more facts are known about the video of the incident.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
That description of the event isn't ambiguous at all, she went limp, he kept going and carried her unconscious body to perform more sex acts on her. It doesnt matter what hijinks she got into before that.
Yuki the heart butt Corgi
Neo Member
The Greek Freak
Member
"described"
I'm going off of the description of her being passed out.
Obviously I would want to see the tape if I was a juror or something but I'm just a guy on a forum.
When having sex while blackout drunk, you're setting yourself up to be a rapist. Obviously no one here can say one way or another of cpurse, but it's still a monumentally stupid thing to do. A friend of mine (who was sober) was raped by a much larger man who was very drunk. Someone she had considered a good friend actually. Just because he may not have remembered what he'd done doesn't absolve him of his actions, or make it less devastating.
https://poutandabout.com/blogs/bachelor-in-paradise-star-demario-jackson-wants-to-release-sex-tape
DeMario on the other hand, desperately wants the tape of their encounter to be released so the world can see that he's innocent. According to TMZ, Jackson already had a lawyer contact Warner Brothers in order to obtain the footage.
Also, multiple people who have seen the tape claim their encounter seems completely consensual and that DeMario is no way the aggressor.
In fact, at one point, Olympio apparently even shoved her genitals in DeMario's face. Regardless, most people who actually watched the tape claim Corinne and DeMario treat each other very kindly throughout their encounter.
Also, multiple people who have seen the tape claim their encounter seems completely consensual and that DeMario is no way the aggressor.
In fact, at one point, Olympio apparently even shoved her genitals in DeMario's face. Regardless, most people who actually watched the tape claim Corinne and DeMario treat each other very kindly throughout their encounter.
And again if the dailymail article is to be believed they are both on speaking terms and she seems to be blaming the producers. I don't know if that's true or not, but that's what the dailymail reported.
I don't know what went down, but there is probably video of it. So right now until we know more about whats on the video, it seems both could be victims.
WordsintheWater
Member
There's also a dailymail article that paints her as the aggressor according to the guys friend. I guess the video will show in the end what actually happened.
Nah, that's not how consent works. Doesn't matter if you want it or not - certain individuals CANNOT give consent. That goes for minors, for the intellectually impaired, and the "too drunk." If he was blackout drunk, he can't consent. That's not something you can decide on a case-by-case basis.
But I don't think that would, in theory, absolve him of responsibility. Which as I think of it is kind of an odd inconsistency... leads to a grey area where it's up to the judge I suppose.
Hari Seldon
Member
When I read this it looks like they both consented to hook up in advance.
http://www.vulture.com/2017/06/bachelor-in-paradise-crew-member-details-alleged-sexual-assault.html
http://www.vulture.com/2017/06/bachelor-in-paradise-crew-member-details-alleged-sexual-assault.html
Fenderputty
Banned
It's on video, so if either one of the individuals was wrong it will be made clear. What's clear before any more video evidence is revealed, is that the Crew actively encouraged this atmosphere and taped the whole thing. Which is fucking disgusting in and of itself.
Hari Seldon
Member
It will be interesting legally. This isn't a normal scenario, these two people read the script that they had to hook up in advance. Having them agree to hook up and then hooking up is fine (i.e. a porno). What is not fine is getting them blackout drunk while doing so. That would never fly in the porn industry if you were getting the females all doped up in advance, even though they agreed to do it. Because when you are all doped up you cannot withdraw consent.
Various Artists
Banned
Yeah one time my wife and I were on a weekend get away and instead of picking up a 12 pack of beer I grabbed a 12 pack of steel reserve (like 8.4% malt liquor) but drank at the same pace. It is so weird to have your memories be drinking by the pool then like a 30 second clip of being getting pizza and then just waking up. (Didn't drive) I had no idea where my wallet or anything was. If I took my contacts out. Where I put my watch. (I wear an expensive watch) I think the most troubling thing for me is that my wife didn't notice anything different about me. I wasn't sloppy and I woke up without a hang over. I just found my stuff. Crushed a poweraid and felt super anxious all day. It's why I'm working on staying off the sauce. It doesn't mix well for me and I tend to take it to far.