DOT DASH DOT
Member
Yeah everything is relative, but for their high end flagship and quotes like this regarding local dimming:
"Besides that, the performance is relatively the same as the 2017 Q7F or 2016 KS8000."
Just screams unacceptable.
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Yeah everything is relative, but for their high end flagship and quotes like this regarding local dimming:
"Besides that, the performance is relatively the same as the 2017 Q7F or 2016 KS8000."
Just screams unacceptable.
mr.anderson30
Neo Member
Hi,
i am looking for a sub-$1000 TV for playing 4K games with HDR. I came across the LG UH7700 TV, which has pretty good features, but the ratings are not very steller.
Does anyone on GAF have experience with using this TV for Gaming? What will be your recommendation?
i am looking for a sub-$1000 TV for playing 4K games with HDR. I came across the LG UH7700 TV, which has pretty good features, but the ratings are not very steller.
Does anyone on GAF have experience with using this TV for Gaming? What will be your recommendation?
Not really. Aside from their KS8000 last year, they have had a lot of disappointing sets, so none of this is surprising. Especially even their Note 7 fiasco. Quality is seriously downhill at Samsung. Even the KS8000 has had tons of panel lottery and things like the backing coming unglued. They did increase their color gamit and DCI coverage, but almost every set has been disappointing in terms of brightness and blacks.
Even Tizen, while it is better than Android in terms of UI. Android 7.0 has added soooo many apps and yet Tizen I am stuck with giant ads bigger than the settings button for American Gods etc. LG if they improved their non-OLED sets can really hammer Samsung as the better Korean television brand.
DOT DASH DOT
Member
It was expected to be disappointing, but doesn't take away how lacking this set is given it's price tag.
Man, purchasing a 4k TV brought upon a lot of upgrades, some potential, for me:
- Still in the market for UHD BD player
- Was in the market for a receiver with HDMI inputs and ARC and Dolby vision support, primarily to have more inputs, but also to bring my total number of remotes to 1. Decided to stick to my old Onkyo for now
- Bought some new Elac B6 bookshelf speakers and now I can feel the bass from the other room
- Just bought an nvidia shield tv (2017 model) to replace my second gen Chromecast, and also to be able to stream some sweet 4k gaming from my PC
- Mounted the TV to a pillar, something I've never done before, clearing up space on my entertainment center, opening up the possibility of a center channel speaker
- Still in the market for UHD BD player
- Was in the market for a receiver with HDMI inputs and ARC and Dolby vision support, primarily to have more inputs, but also to bring my total number of remotes to 1. Decided to stick to my old Onkyo for now
- Bought some new Elac B6 bookshelf speakers and now I can feel the bass from the other room
- Just bought an nvidia shield tv (2017 model) to replace my second gen Chromecast, and also to be able to stream some sweet 4k gaming from my PC
- Mounted the TV to a pillar, something I've never done before, clearing up space on my entertainment center, opening up the possibility of a center channel speaker
What did you pair with the Elacs?! I'm considering them myself for my front channels.
Having a tough time figuring out what I should use for my center/ surrounds and sub.
Nothing yet, I was considering a sub but these produce a good enough bass. Planning on sticking with just these for the time being.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Sometimes you gotta do something crazy in life.....in 2015 that was buying a 1080p LG OLED for about 1800 euros.
But sometimes you gotta do something insane too. I just ordered a 65B6 for 2699 euros. For me....that's quite insane. Never spent so much on a TV but i was dead set on not only going from 1080p to 4K but also a nice size upgrade.
Should be here on monday.
But sometimes you gotta do something insane too. I just ordered a 65B6 for 2699 euros. For me....that's quite insane. Never spent so much on a TV but i was dead set on not only going from 1080p to 4K but also a nice size upgrade.
Should be here on monday.
Prisoner KSC2-303
Member
I'm getting sorely tempted to go back on my idea of waiting. The last of the Panasonic 902 and LG B6 sets are starting to get harder to find and the prices seem hard to ignore.
DOT DASH DOT
Member
One could call the 902 amazeballs
I have to admit, it certainly heartens me seeing new TV's release, and the 902 is still smoking them...
I have to admit, it certainly heartens me seeing new TV's release, and the 902 is still smoking them...
DOT DASH DOT
Member
Ha I won't get into ZD vs 902, but in all areas bar 130 more zones and peak 2% and 10% brightness, the 902 outpaces it in all other areas.
Having said that, it's the only other LCD I'd consider.
Greigor The Fellhand
Member
suggestions for a 55" HDR 4k tv?
my price range is 800-1500usd. perferably no black friday suggestions, help is greatly appreciated =)
my price range is 800-1500usd. perferably no black friday suggestions, help is greatly appreciated =)
RedAssedApe
Banned
people seem to be praising that TLC set that just launched
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...eries-55p607-owners-thread-no-price-talk.html
cheaper than your budget at 599. sounds like a few Gaffers are waiting on theirs so maybe wait for their impressions too. some posts about quality control issues in that thread though but that kind of seems like the norm these days for many sets. :/
Never trust Samsung after they launch a good product. Seriously. 2018's line will most likely be much better.
Community Forum
Member
Just arrived. Let's see what $599 gets you these days! Give me a couple hours and I'll be back with impressions.
Resident_UA
Member
Just arrived. Let's see what $599 gets you these days! Give me a couple hours and I'll be back with impressions.
I have LG OLED and I'm still kind of jealous. LOL. Just seems like this is an unbeatable price/quality deal!
DOT DASH DOT
Member
I'm guessing this is their ground level approach to eventually ending up with an full Quantum Dot RGB backlighting system, which is probably a few years away....
Looking forward to seeing your impressions. I'm looking to replace my old 50" plasma, and this set looks almost too good to be true.
cardsbasebal
Member
Mine arrived today, I'll give my opinion on it later when I get to test. I'm graduating from an early, off brand 4k without hdr.
Only 43X800D/43XD80xx
Insane Metal
Member
There's also the 40KU6300 right?
Thanks 43 inches is perfect. Its around $680 on Amazon. Is that good for this TV? Sorry dont keep up with this stuff.
Community Forum
Member
TCL 55P607 First Impressions!
First off, I'm not a 4K TV expert, and this is my first one, so pardon my excitement but I am stunned at how awesome this is. Bright, clear as day, and black that looks very black. I have just only set it up and put some streaming services to use (Amazon for 4K HDR stuff, Netflix with upgraded account for 4K HDR).
After hearing reports of damaged sets and whatnot, I have been worried for the last couple days, but man. Things look gorgeous so far.
Easy to set up, it took like 10 minutes to install and get all logged in and firmware updated. Roku TV interface is super snappy and quick. Remote is awesome, has voice search, and even has a headphone jack to listen by yourself. Comes with earbuds too
I have taken some pictures, don't know how well they will turn out, but I will put them below. Sorry about the angle on some of them, I was trying to avoid the window glare.
I have made no picture adjustments so far.
One thing I appreciate a lot, is if the TV detects an HDR or a Dolby Vision signal, the logo appears up in the corner for a few seconds. So there's no question!
I will be hooking up all my gaming systems later (PS4 Pro for games, Xbox One S to test Planet Earth II 4K Blu-ray, and Switch to test normal HD games) and providing further impressions. I'll try to look for things like pure black bars on letterbox movies too.
I bought this mostly for gaming so tonight will be the true test. Will withhold final judgment until then, but holy smokes. I am 100% impressed with the $599 price tag on this thing.
Give me a few hours I'll be back.
First off, I'm not a 4K TV expert, and this is my first one, so pardon my excitement but I am stunned at how awesome this is. Bright, clear as day, and black that looks very black. I have just only set it up and put some streaming services to use (Amazon for 4K HDR stuff, Netflix with upgraded account for 4K HDR).
After hearing reports of damaged sets and whatnot, I have been worried for the last couple days, but man. Things look gorgeous so far.
Easy to set up, it took like 10 minutes to install and get all logged in and firmware updated. Roku TV interface is super snappy and quick. Remote is awesome, has voice search, and even has a headphone jack to listen by yourself. Comes with earbuds too
I have taken some pictures, don't know how well they will turn out, but I will put them below. Sorry about the angle on some of them, I was trying to avoid the window glare.
I have made no picture adjustments so far.
One thing I appreciate a lot, is if the TV detects an HDR or a Dolby Vision signal, the logo appears up in the corner for a few seconds. So there's no question!
I will be hooking up all my gaming systems later (PS4 Pro for games, Xbox One S to test Planet Earth II 4K Blu-ray, and Switch to test normal HD games) and providing further impressions. I'll try to look for things like pure black bars on letterbox movies too.
I bought this mostly for gaming so tonight will be the true test. Will withhold final judgment until then, but holy smokes. I am 100% impressed with the $599 price tag on this thing.
Give me a few hours I'll be back.
RedlineRonin
Member
I know a couple people in this thread picked up C7s recently.
Has anyone updated to the current firmware (3.60 I think?) and if so, have you had any issues or notice anything different?
From the AVS thread I picked up that somehow the YT app got jacked up for HDR10, but anything else anyone has noticed?
I'm teetering on whether or not to update...
Has anyone updated to the current firmware (3.60 I think?) and if so, have you had any issues or notice anything different?
From the AVS thread I picked up that somehow the YT app got jacked up for HDR10, but anything else anyone has noticed?
I'm teetering on whether or not to update...
Not if he wants HDR.
Why wouldn't you update? TV firmware updates are a good thing.
Undead Hero
Member
So can I get a 65" 4K oled for under 2k yet?
The problem with owning a 65 inch tv is there's no turning back. 😩
The problem with owning a 65 inch tv is there's no turning back. 😩
barneystuta83
Member
TCL 55P607 First Impressions!
First off, I'm not a 4K TV expert, and this is my first one, so pardon my excitement but I am stunned at how awesome this is. Bright, clear as day, and black that looks very black. I have just only set it up and put some streaming services to use (Amazon for 4K HDR stuff, Netflix with upgraded account for 4K HDR).
After hearing reports of damaged sets and whatnot, I have been worried for the last couple days, but man. Things look gorgeous so far.
Easy to set up, it took like 10 minutes to install and get all logged in and firmware updated. Roku TV interface is super snappy and quick. Remote is awesome, has voice search, and even has a headphone jack to listen by yourself. Comes with earbuds too
I have taken some pictures, don't know how well they will turn out, but I will put them below. Sorry about the angle on some of them, I was trying to avoid the window glare.
I have made no picture adjustments so far.
One thing I appreciate a lot, is if the TV detects an HDR or a Dolby Vision signal, the logo appears up in the corner for a few seconds. So there's no question!
I will be hooking up all my gaming systems later (PS4 Pro for games, Xbox One S to test Planet Earth II 4K Blu-ray, and Switch to test normal HD games) and providing further impressions. I'll try to look for things like pure black bars on letterbox movies too.
I bought this mostly for gaming so tonight will be the true test. Will withhold final judgment until then, but holy smokes. I am 100% impressed with the $599 price tag on this thing.
Give me a few hours I'll be back.
Looks excellent value.
Is there a UK equivalent do you know?
Insane Metal
Member
But according to Rtings the KU6300 has higher luminosity than the X800D...?
Edit: the X800D has a VA panel and wide color gamut. The Sammy has VA panel but no wide color gamut.
Glad to hear yours came in good condition! I've been keeping up with the avs forum thread as well and there is some light hysteria
lol) going on with some reports of backlight bleeding and damaged panels. I have a set coming early next week and look forward to more impressions.
ss_lemonade
Member
I have to ask: what's the point of the LED Clear Motion option with these TVs if all you get is a dimmer screen and more visible image trails? I have a ks9000, get similar results and it actually looks much worse than just disabling the setting and dealing with some movement blur. When I first got my ks9000, I was expecting similar BFI performance as my Sony w900a, which works pretty good despite the drop in brightness (and as a plus, also works with game mode). Does the ks8000 work better? If so, why the difference in implementation?
Honestly, I'd figure out a way to save up another $200 and go for the TCL mentioned above.
RedAssedApe
Banned
TCL 55P607 First Impressions!
First off, I'm not a 4K TV expert, and this is my first one, so pardon my excitement but I am stunned at how awesome this is. Bright, clear as day, and black that looks very black. I have just only set it up and put some streaming services to use (Amazon for 4K HDR stuff, Netflix with upgraded account for 4K HDR).
After hearing reports of damaged sets and whatnot, I have been worried for the last couple days, but man. Things look gorgeous so far.
Easy to set up, it took like 10 minutes to install and get all logged in and firmware updated. Roku TV interface is super snappy and quick. Remote is awesome, has voice search, and even has a headphone jack to listen by yourself. Comes with earbuds too
I have taken some pictures, don't know how well they will turn out, but I will put them below. Sorry about the angle on some of them, I was trying to avoid the window glare.
I have made no picture adjustments so far.
One thing I appreciate a lot, is if the TV detects an HDR or a Dolby Vision signal, the logo appears up in the corner for a few seconds. So there's no question!
I will be hooking up all my gaming systems later (PS4 Pro for games, Xbox One S to test Planet Earth II 4K Blu-ray, and Switch to test normal HD games) and providing further impressions. I'll try to look for things like pure black bars on letterbox movies too.
I bought this mostly for gaming so tonight will be the true test. Will withhold final judgment until then, but holy smokes. I am 100% impressed with the $599 price tag on this thing.
Give me a few hours I'll be back.
What TV did you come from? Was curious about the brightness of the set. I have a pioneer plasma and it doesn't handle daytime viewing too well. Especially since I have an arched window that lets direct sunlight in.
TCL 55P607 First Impressions!
First off, I'm not a 4K TV expert, and this is my first one, so pardon my excitement but I am stunned at how awesome this is. Bright, clear as day, and black that looks very black. I have just only set it up and put some streaming services to use (Amazon for 4K HDR stuff, Netflix with upgraded account for 4K HDR).
After hearing reports of damaged sets and whatnot, I have been worried for the last couple days, but man. Things look gorgeous so far.
Easy to set up, it took like 10 minutes to install and get all logged in and firmware updated. Roku TV interface is super snappy and quick. Remote is awesome, has voice search, and even has a headphone jack to listen by yourself. Comes with earbuds too
I have taken some pictures, don't know how well they will turn out, but I will put them below. Sorry about the angle on some of them, I was trying to avoid the window glare.
I have made no picture adjustments so far.
One thing I appreciate a lot, is if the TV detects an HDR or a Dolby Vision signal, the logo appears up in the corner for a few seconds. So there's no question!
I will be hooking up all my gaming systems later (PS4 Pro for games, Xbox One S to test Planet Earth II 4K Blu-ray, and Switch to test normal HD games) and providing further impressions. I'll try to look for things like pure black bars on letterbox movies too.
I bought this mostly for gaming so tonight will be the true test. Will withhold final judgment until then, but holy smokes. I am 100% impressed with the $599 price tag on this thing.
Give me a few hours I'll be back.
Will be awaiting your gaming impressions!
DOT DASH DOT
Member
It depends how it's implemented, in theory today's TV's should be able to do it better than the W9, due mostly to higher luminance so you can gain back the loss, and also 120hz panels, but in many cases that's not happening.
On the Panasonic I have, it uses Red Frame Insertion instead of BFI, so you only get an 8 point drop in backlight out of 100, so it's easily made back up, and there is zero visible flicker, it's really good.
Not sure on the KS8000, but I don't think it's useable in game mode, unless someone can correct me.
ss_lemonade
Member
I'm guessing not since the motion plus section is greyed out on my ks9000 when in game mode. I just now looked at rtings ks8000 review and their sample image using Clear LED looks much better than what my ks9000 can do
ks8000
ks9000
RedlineRonin
Member
Haha, is your assertion that firmware updates are universally good and never have unintended consequences?
Anyway, there's a saga over on AVS you can read if you like. I think the only thing that's busted is the HDR10 color with the YT app, but wanted to know if anyone else had tried.
nogoodnamesleft
Banned
Yeah I found his comment weird after reading so many "I upgraded my FW and while it fixed issue A I now have issue B that I didn't have before" posts.
Yes. LG's firmware updates have been superb for years. They're really good about supporting their models.
Community Forum
Member
TCL 55P607 further impressions!
Got all my gaming gear hooked up and here are some more impressions. First off, everything is very snappy... switching between the different HDMI inputs and such. I really like the Roku TV interface. I'm coming from a 2014 Sony 1080p TV.
I played around with a few settings (they save between inputs so that is nice), like putting the darkness down a couple notches, turning color up a bit to my liking, but that's all the tweaking I've done. There's a Roku TV app that lets you really get nitty gritty, but I'll wait until a pro provides some settings. There is a game mode for every input, but I have not used it yet. Haven't experienced anything bad so I am thinking whatever input lag is very small.
I don't have a 4K receiver, so the Xbox One S and PS4 Pro went to inputs one and two direct, with optical cable out to receiver (also supports Arc, maybe I'll set that up), and then the Switch, WiiU, and PS3 go through the receiver and to the TV, since they aren't 4K anyway.
There's many settings when HDR is activated (and you can tell the TV has switched because it will say HDR in the corner for a few seconds, even for games, or have the Dolby Vision logo). I don't know what they all do yet or which is the preferred for each instance, but the overall look does change when switching between them... there's HDR Dark, HDR Normal, HDR Bright, and the same for Dolby Vision. It saves all your settings even if you go back and forth between HDR and non-hdr so that's nice... once HDR kicks in it goes to your settings for that.
FIRST I wanted to see if there was any "blooming" or whatever people say. This set is FALD with 72 zones apparently. Like if there's something against what should be a completely dark screen would get a halo of light around it, so I found a Dolby logo. It passes the test. I don't see any blooming, the damn thing is a black screen!
Tried out some Forza Horizon 3 in HDR. I am used to my old TV being in TORCH MODE because that's all I could do to get it looking good. This looks very natural and more real.
I then popped in Planet Earth II 4K Blu-ray on the One S for a few minutes, and wow.
Next up is WipeOut Omega Collection on PS4 Pro, which is native 4K 60fps. Looks great, and again much more real looking than my old torch mode tv.
Booted up the Switch to see if there were any "upscaling" problems, and everything looked great. Here is Shantae. I looked during the cutscenes to see if there was any "light bleeding" into the letterbox area, but it was completely clean.
So I guess if anything major pops up during usage I'll give an update. I am sure that a $2,000 TV would look better, but at this price I am very satisfied.
Got all my gaming gear hooked up and here are some more impressions. First off, everything is very snappy... switching between the different HDMI inputs and such. I really like the Roku TV interface. I'm coming from a 2014 Sony 1080p TV.
I played around with a few settings (they save between inputs so that is nice), like putting the darkness down a couple notches, turning color up a bit to my liking, but that's all the tweaking I've done. There's a Roku TV app that lets you really get nitty gritty, but I'll wait until a pro provides some settings. There is a game mode for every input, but I have not used it yet. Haven't experienced anything bad so I am thinking whatever input lag is very small.
I don't have a 4K receiver, so the Xbox One S and PS4 Pro went to inputs one and two direct, with optical cable out to receiver (also supports Arc, maybe I'll set that up), and then the Switch, WiiU, and PS3 go through the receiver and to the TV, since they aren't 4K anyway.
There's many settings when HDR is activated (and you can tell the TV has switched because it will say HDR in the corner for a few seconds, even for games, or have the Dolby Vision logo). I don't know what they all do yet or which is the preferred for each instance, but the overall look does change when switching between them... there's HDR Dark, HDR Normal, HDR Bright, and the same for Dolby Vision. It saves all your settings even if you go back and forth between HDR and non-hdr so that's nice... once HDR kicks in it goes to your settings for that.
FIRST I wanted to see if there was any "blooming" or whatever people say. This set is FALD with 72 zones apparently. Like if there's something against what should be a completely dark screen would get a halo of light around it, so I found a Dolby logo. It passes the test. I don't see any blooming, the damn thing is a black screen!
Tried out some Forza Horizon 3 in HDR. I am used to my old TV being in TORCH MODE because that's all I could do to get it looking good. This looks very natural and more real.
I then popped in Planet Earth II 4K Blu-ray on the One S for a few minutes, and wow.
Next up is WipeOut Omega Collection on PS4 Pro, which is native 4K 60fps. Looks great, and again much more real looking than my old torch mode tv.
Booted up the Switch to see if there were any "upscaling" problems, and everything looked great. Here is Shantae. I looked during the cutscenes to see if there was any "light bleeding" into the letterbox area, but it was completely clean.
So I guess if anything major pops up during usage I'll give an update. I am sure that a $2,000 TV would look better, but at this price I am very satisfied.
Oh really?
902 is a beast, it was also the only other TV I considered buying after demoing. My Z9D just got updated last night with Dolby Vision support too which is awesome!
Insane Metal
Member
Man that TCL TV is absolutely insane. FALD with 72 zones for that price... I don't think there has ever been a better deal for a 4K HDR TV. Insane.