DriftingSpirit
Member
Nope, you would be wrong.
There are not a "metric fuck ton" of zombie games. You're exaggerating and that is diminishing your own argument. Every game is another *insert type of game* game.
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A look at Youtube trailer views for E3 2017
- Thread starter Nightengale
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There are not a "metric fuck ton" of zombie games. You're exaggerating and that is diminishing your own argument. Every game is another *insert type of game* game.
prag16
Banned
Just because you have decided you aren't personally interested in many of the zombie games I listed earlier doesn't mean they don't exist. Games with "undead" humans as an enemy type are pretty damn common. We're getting down to semantics now, but to claim that's not true is kind of ridiculous.
I'll be removing this from my subscribed threads list now because this is becoming tiresome, so no reason to continue telling me the verifiable facts I'm stating are wrong.
Must be some kinda comfort food, like curry rice or poutine.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
The npd for days gone is going to be the greatest thing ever
January
DriftingSpirit
Member
Okay. I'm glad you tired yourself out as well.
Mario games have had far more gameplay and thematic variety in the past 10 years than all zombie games in that same period
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Ha! Forgot we say it in January. Thanks.
MegaSackman
Member
Irrelevant since I'm not comparing zombies with Mario.
Permanently A
Junior Member
I'm not disputing that there are a bunch of zombie media. Yes, there is an oversaturation of it. But not an oversaturation of popular zombie media. If we're only talking about recent popular zombie media, then really all there is is TWD and TLoU. So you can see why Days Gone gets a lot of attention, because it reminds people of TLoU. It doesn't remind people of State of Decay, or Dying Light, or Left 4 Dead. Because the mainstream doesn't know about those games.
TimeEffect
Member
It's the setting.
People dont often get to play games in a setting like Ancient Greece, and then see these cool gods become giant bosses. Its really rather perfect for a video game setting.
Now he's moving to a totally different mythology and that refreshes the game greatly.
I think its a huge part of what makes Assassins Creed so successful too. The ability to play the game in many different time periods really piques interest since playing in these settings is largely fantasy come to life, and since not many games do these kinds of settings.
More_Badass
Member
I don't know about that. God of War is about Ancient Greece as a setting like Onimusha is about Ancient Japan. Not really comparable to what Assassins Creed does
People really like the character (remember the huge audience reaction when Kratos was revealed at E3). The first game's story was done surprisingly well, and really helped to cement Kratos as a character. You don't get that kind of reaction to a character reveal if all that mattered is the gameplay, rather than the person you control during the gameplay
Plus you can fun gameplay, huge scale in terms of environments and bosses and set pieces, and a series that's always pushing the technical limits of its console
Frag Waffles
Member
Watching people here trying to "figure out" Days Gone is very amusing.
Nightengale
Member
Update as of 18th June 2017. Credit to trigger & benny''s ongoing help. 
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Nice update!
Auxiliary information: Spider-Man trailer is outpacing every other tracked trailer in the last 14 hours, including the ones that are run as ads.
Its views to like/dislike ratio is also unmatched until #17 (most growth, same time period) when COD WWII beats it.
Auxiliary information: Spider-Man trailer is outpacing every other tracked trailer in the last 14 hours, including the ones that are run as ads.
Its views to like/dislike ratio is also unmatched until #17 (most growth, same time period) when COD WWII beats it.
Is that supposed to be directed to me ? Newbie why not, but dumbass...
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Great update. Could you colour those that run ads with the next update?
Just touching once more on the Days Gone discussion- while there of course has been a ton of zombie related media over the past decade plus, I would argue that only a few of then reached a critical mass of mainstream popularity. Walking Dead, of course- show, comics, and S1 of the Telltale game. Last of Us. And World War Z, both the book and the movie (movie is Pitt's best ever OW). Is it really a surprise then that Bend, which has taken on an ND lite role, even making an Uncharted spinoff, makes a game that apes two of those massive hits and gets a ton of attention for it? Open world TLoU with WWZ hordes is going to sell so many copies.
Nightengale
Member
Honesty I have no concrete evidence what is run as ads. The best anecdote is the view/like ratio, any trailer below 1% is 🤔🤔🤔
Jawbreaker
Member
Spider-Man is a beast.
As an example, in the last 14 hours the Xbox One X trailer is at 750k views growth with 0.06% like/dislike percentage.
That's pretty clearly an ad run.
Super Mario Odyssey is at 540k in the same period and at 0.84%. I interpret that number as not as many unique viewers as Spider-Man which is at 830k 1.37%.
So you have to basically interpret the situation. MS's trailers or MHW trailer is ad run because it's extremely tiny L/D% but SMO could just be significant repeat watchings by viewers that already liked/disliked.
Edit 1:
For me some short hand for now, based on this limted information:
<0.1% is clear case ad run only, basically no organic interest,
0.4> <0.7 organic + ads
>0.7 repeat viewings by dedicated fans
>1.0 new unique viewers + repeat viewings
You also have COD WWII which seems to have a very engaged audience, maybe because it's aimed more at kids that like/dislike more. It gets muddy above 0.1% where it's clearly ad runs.
Edit 2:
What's great is the slowness of Sony of uploading the videos themselves. Assuming you can't, or they don't try to run trailers as advertisements on other people's channels you have a good control group for big trailers without ad runs.
That's pretty clearly an ad run.
Super Mario Odyssey is at 540k in the same period and at 0.84%. I interpret that number as not as many unique viewers as Spider-Man which is at 830k 1.37%.
So you have to basically interpret the situation. MS's trailers or MHW trailer is ad run because it's extremely tiny L/D% but SMO could just be significant repeat watchings by viewers that already liked/disliked.
Edit 1:
For me some short hand for now, based on this limted information:
<0.1% is clear case ad run only, basically no organic interest,
0.4> <0.7 organic + ads
>0.7 repeat viewings by dedicated fans
>1.0 new unique viewers + repeat viewings
You also have COD WWII which seems to have a very engaged audience, maybe because it's aimed more at kids that like/dislike more. It gets muddy above 0.1% where it's clearly ad runs.
Edit 2:
What's great is the slowness of Sony of uploading the videos themselves. Assuming you can't, or they don't try to run trailers as advertisements on other people's channels you have a good control group for big trailers without ad runs.
More_Badass
Member
The WWZ-style hordes is the most exciting. We never got anything like that in games before, and only in the movie for examples in other mediums. That it's all dynamic and emergent is icing on the cake
Kenzodielocke
Banned
People are getting tired of Bethesda trying to sell an old game like that so many times.
Edit: You should also update the OP, Nightengale.
Nightengale
Member
Done. Thanks.
DriftingSpirit
Member
I'm glad Monster Hunter is keeping up.
No you compared the reaction to Zombie games with the reaction to Mario games and said you don't understand why people still go crazy about Mario after 30 years. He explained to you why that is. Stop being so disingenuous.
The last 24 hours at least this has been advertisements only. (<0.01 view:L/D ratio)
Update as of 18th June 2017. Credit to trigger & benny''s ongoing help.
No Ace Combat 7? :d
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Thanks for all the hard work in putting this together. It's very good work.
If there was a Gaf award for most effort put into an OP, you'd take my vote.
WaterAstro
Member
Update as of 18th June 2017. Credit to trigger & benny''s ongoing help.
That still doesn't look right. Battlefront's main channel is 9.3 mil while Spiderman's main channel is at 6.5 mil. I'm sure Spiderman gets the rest of its views in the other channels, but that's 8 million that it has have in other channels to get that total on that chart.
There's no way that Battlefront, with its other channels, only makes up 400 thousand.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
I hope someone first this in text format, always better in forum format
Kenzodielocke
Banned
MaddenNFL64
Member
Does it look correct now?
Ya trailer views, battlefront is not gonna win, mostly because most of the videos on the game arent about the trailer. Total views about battlefront from E3 are far and above #1 though.
Thanks for the work guys. It is oddly satisfying to watch the numbers update.Update as of 18th June 2017. Credit to trigger & benny''s ongoing help.
Nightengale
Member
As Madden & benny_a put it, my tracking tracks views of game trailers, not views of videos related to the game.
It's why I separated Anthem/NFS/A Way Out into 2 separate trailers as they had gameplay + teaser/announce trailers separately.
If you include all views of associated videos, so long as it's about the game, then it drastically changes for mega-influencer games like CoD, Destiny, FIFA and Battlefront, where a huge chunk of the views don't come from trailers, but influencer-created content. And those kind of content generates high views regardless of E3.
My intent is to see what trailers draw the most eyeball and attention at E3 this year. Not the biggest games, because ultimately, games with way more gameplay/influencer content will win out that battle.
WaterAstro
Member
Does it look correct now?
Who the fuck is mathchief? Sounds like some random who just viewbotted himself or something.
There's no way a no-name channel will get more views than Marvel or PlayStation.
ScaryShark
Banned
He was coming up first in search results when I was looking up videos last week. I thought it was weird too but it's where I watched most stuff.
Maybe it's because he has no hyphen or 'Marvel's' in the title.
Nightengale
Member
Unlike Marvel/PlayStation who were slowpokes, Mathchief uploaded the gameplay trailer for most PlayStation trailers way faster than anyone, by snipping the E3 stream video directly.
By the time Sony/Marvel uploaded theirs, Mathchief is already a million+ views ahead of official trailers and is the first to pop up in search result by virtue of views + smart naming.
But that's exactly the case. Or do you think that image or the YouTube database was manipulated?
MrCookiepants
Member
I mean it's not an uncommon thing to buy views/likes. He definitely got a couple million legitimate views, but he doesn't even show up on the first page when I search "Spiderman PS4".
His video has less comments than the Marvel upload and significantly less than the Mario trailer (26k vs 14k despite having almost the same amount of views). He also got a huge spike in views recently for no reason. Meanwhile, his God of War upload has gotten almost nowhere in the same time frame.
It's obviously been tampered with. Should be taken off the list tbh.
Edit: One other thing, his Spiderman video has been keeping up with Mario the whole time, but Mario has been high on "trending" while Mathchief never was. So Yotube's algorithm isn't recognizing its apparent popularity.
Nightengale
Member
You raise some valid points, but some of the points are not exactly what I consider damning. There are plenty of other videos of sizable views that has far lower/higher likes. I will acknowledge that the spike is pretty weird...
But at the end of it all, you yourself raise the most important point to keep it, given that at the very least, several million of his views are clearly legit. So I disagree with removing it since that has variable impact that cannot be quantified on our end other than guesstimate.
That being said, if you want to break it down by channel level, there is this so that you can exclude out channels you feel are iffy:
But at the end of it all, you yourself raise the most important point to keep it, given that at the very least, several million of his views are clearly legit. So I disagree with removing it since that has variable impact that cannot be quantified on our end other than guesstimate.
That being said, if you want to break it down by channel level, there is this so that you can exclude out channels you feel are iffy:
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
lol why isn't spiderman on this list? ^
or am i blind? had me saying the alphabet in my head to figure out if I can't alphabetical right
or am i blind? had me saying the alphabet in my head to figure out if I can't alphabetical right
ScaryShark
Banned
The official title is Marvel's Spider-Man. Look under M
Nightengale
Member
Eh, AssCreed is getting a good response so far, based off both official trailers & long 20 minutes+ gameplay trailers.