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Killer Instinct Season 3 |OT| Super Microsoft All-Star Bros for Xbox One & Windows 10
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No really. All the characters are viable.
RaySpencer
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Yup. What was it last KI cup had like 27 of the 32 characters played during the tournament? Most top 8s have different characters every fight. A little too much Gargos lately, but you still have Miras and Cinders winning tourneys.
KI is the best.
There's a little bit of a matchup game sometimes, but on most occasions every character is good.
Look at the tier chart as an example... one of the lowest characters is Kan-Ra, but any KI player will tell you he's execution heavy and a very good kan-ra can absolutely irritate and crush almost every character in the game if everything is executed well.
Look at the tier chart as an example... one of the lowest characters is Kan-Ra, but any KI player will tell you he's execution heavy and a very good kan-ra can absolutely irritate and crush almost every character in the game if everything is executed well.
Karsticles
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This website is fantastic:
http://ki.infil.net/characters.html
http://ki.infil.net/characters.html
Viable is a funny word. Tager is viable, but you'd do well to steer people away from him unless they want a frustrating time.
Often an unfortunate fact in unpopular games.
Indeed. I can't​ remember the name of that player that makes seem characters like Raam and Aganos top viable. I love this game dor that.
CommandThrower
Member
Fair enough, but I think KI's frustration factor is less than most other fighters. Stick to the Season 1 characters if you want simple characters with simple mechanics--season 2 and season 3 characters introduced a lot of gimmicky mechanics.
They actually had some custom built KI arcade cabinets to showcase the game shortly after its E3 reveal back in 2013. They had I think 3 or 4 of them spread around certain bars in California..it was kind of an underground thing where people were lining up out the door to the street to just play it, was pretty neat for generating buzz about the game.
I think if they do greenlight a full KI4 sequel they should release an official arcade version first (even if only in very limited numbers) to get the game in front of more Asian players.
lucebuce12
Member
According to the dualshockers article, all 3 "extra" characters are free for Definitive Edition owners. http://www.dualshockers.com/killer-instinct-announced-steam/
Kilgore, Shin Hisako AND Eagle.
This is good news for me as I own the Definitive edition but not Kilgore or Shin Hisako (not interested in playing those characters anyway but still)
Kilgore, Shin Hisako AND Eagle.
This is good news for me as I own the Definitive edition but not Kilgore or Shin Hisako (not interested in playing those characters anyway but still)
Karsticles
Member
I watched breakdowns of all the zoners in the game, and I'm between these 4:
Kan-ra
Glacius
Gargos
Omen
LOL @ Eyedol's design. Unfortunate because he looks awesome.
Kan-ra
Glacius
Gargos
Omen
LOL @ Eyedol's design. Unfortunate because he looks awesome.
Eyedol is a visual abomination that never should have been brought back.
Anywho if you're a good person you will choose Glacius from that list.
What???
I dont like his randomness but he looks damn cool. The split head design is genius. Probably my favorite redesign after Maya.
I'm sure my hate for Eyedol is making me biased but yeah he looks terrible IMO. I do like a couple of his accessory sets though, I just hate his 'default' look.
No.
lucebuce12
Member
Regarding the characters, people did get to play Kilgore and Shin-Hisako for quite a few months now. Plus the money they bought it with helped cover the cost of making them in the first place.
In regards to Eagle though, he should definitely be available for anyone who bought season 3. Feels a bit shitty to have that brand new character be free for late-adopters but the people who have paid more and have been supporting the game longer still have to pay separately. And I say this as someone who owns the Definitive edition.
Kan-Ra is also pretty good but you have to put more "work" in and be more mindful of your positioning as compared to someone like Glacius or Gargos who have great mobility options too.
In regards to Eagle though, he should definitely be available for anyone who bought season 3. Feels a bit shitty to have that brand new character be free for late-adopters but the people who have paid more and have been supporting the game longer still have to pay separately. And I say this as someone who owns the Definitive edition.
From my rather limited experience, Glacius and Gargos are probably the best zoners in this game that fit your preferences.
Kan-Ra is also pretty good but you have to put more "work" in and be more mindful of your positioning as compared to someone like Glacius or Gargos who have great mobility options too.
Anytime someone who buys something letter gets additional perks or a lower price, some people will complain. It happens with everything. It's the trade-off of getting to use it earlier, versus a better deal down the line. Personally, for this game I wouldn't trade the time I spent playing the content for this perk, and I feel like my investment helped keep the game alive and supported for this to even be possible.
It's cool the game is coming to steam too, now, but however Microsoft handles cross-play, content carry-over, the need for an Xbox login, etc, some people will find a reason to complain about some aspect of it.
Karsticles
Member
Would you guys mind listing a few competitive players to look up for the characters I listed? Watching high-level play helps me decide who I want to play.
I actually LOVE how Eyedol looks. It's the RNG swap that's terrible to me.
My primary concern with Glacius is that he seems to have zero mobility options - not even a dash. I might get bored with him as a result. I like to move around a lot while zoning.
My concern with Gargos is that his minions might be crazy hard to control while playing his game. I need to see how his package all comes together in high-level play.
Kan-ra I thought people said was high-execution, but nothing I've seen in tutorials suggests that. What makes him take more work?
Why Glacius?
I actually LOVE how Eyedol looks. It's the RNG swap that's terrible to me.
Maya looks great.
Why not Omen?
My primary concern with Glacius is that he seems to have zero mobility options - not even a dash. I might get bored with him as a result. I like to move around a lot while zoning.
My concern with Gargos is that his minions might be crazy hard to control while playing his game. I need to see how his package all comes together in high-level play.
Kan-ra I thought people said was high-execution, but nothing I've seen in tutorials suggests that. What makes him take more work?
Not really high-execution so much as a lot of work. You gotta know your stuff and keep active and your traps/spacing on-point, or it could be rough. Kinda like Dhalsim to some extent.
Wait. I already bought Shin and Kilgore, and have Definitive...meh...at least Eagle is something.
lucebuce12
Member
I'd like to preface this by saying that I only got into this game late during the middle of season 3, so I am in no way an expert. I'm sure there are others in this thread that can guide you further.
And you should definitely try out the ultra-combo forums as well, it's the primary hub for KI discussion. You might even find the exact questions you asked to already have been asked there.
He has both a forward dash and a backdash. He got it (back) in Season 3 I believe. Between puddle punch and his incredible long ranged pokes from the air, mobility is rarely seen as an issue for him. He has such fantastic tools to control space between his fireball and his incredibly long limbs that you rarely even NEED to move too much. It's possible to have matches where you can finish a round without even moving an inch.
Gargos' minions aren't THAT hard to control once you get accustomed to him. You can often just leave the minions to do their own thing and pressure the opponent as you like. Try watching Rico Suave play Gargos, he's one of the best that I've seen.
I'd argue that every character in the game follows the same logic of "low execution requirement but high execution ceiling". Kan-Ra doesn't require much in the way of execution but being mindful enough of his abilities, the enemy's abilities and constantly positioning yourself correctly requires a lot of work. Which as you mentioned, you don't like doing. He's still a solid character but yeah, the "work" is a factor.
And you should definitely try out the ultra-combo forums as well, it's the primary hub for KI discussion. You might even find the exact questions you asked to already have been asked there.
Now that you've mentioned movement, Omen is definitely a better fit. While the RNG factor of his fireballs takes a lot of time to get accustomed to, he still has potent zoning capabilities. The fact is that a lot of characters in KI fall into multiple archetypes so you often don't even know who'll you gel with until you give everyone a shot. I legitimately thought Kan-Ra would be the character for me since I love controlling space but I fell in love with Orchid and General RAAM. RAAM in particular being the grappler archetype which I usually NEVER use.
He has both a forward dash and a backdash. He got it (back) in Season 3 I believe. Between puddle punch and his incredible long ranged pokes from the air, mobility is rarely seen as an issue for him. He has such fantastic tools to control space between his fireball and his incredibly long limbs that you rarely even NEED to move too much. It's possible to have matches where you can finish a round without even moving an inch.
Gargos' minions aren't THAT hard to control once you get accustomed to him. You can often just leave the minions to do their own thing and pressure the opponent as you like. Try watching Rico Suave play Gargos, he's one of the best that I've seen.
I'd argue that every character in the game follows the same logic of "low execution requirement but high execution ceiling". Kan-Ra doesn't require much in the way of execution but being mindful enough of his abilities, the enemy's abilities and constantly positioning yourself correctly requires a lot of work. Which as you mentioned, you don't like doing. He's still a solid character but yeah, the "work" is a factor.
Karsticles
Member
I would totally main Eyedol if the head swap wasn't random.
This for me is as bad as tripping in smash, if weren't for that eyedol will be my favorite character
Omen is not really a zoner as his fireball dont do much damage. They're more to make his attack safe. He's more rushdown than zoner.
Karsticles
Member
I watched some top 8 footage of each character, and I agree that Omen is not for me.
Glacius, Kan-ra, and Gargos are all pretty fantastic looking, though. Aria also looks fun. Definitely one of those 4 will be my choice.
OniLordAsmodeus
Neo Member
Of the ones you narrowed it down to, I say if you are looking for a pure Zoner, either go with Gargos or Kan-ra. That being said, Gargos is objectively easier to play than Kan-ra, as Kan-ra is HARD to win with for sure.
For a good example of Gargos, just look at any of the most recent Top 8's as many people have picked him up because of how powerful, yet relatively easy, he is to use.
Lately no one has been playing Kan-ra because of how hard you have to work with him, but there is one guy...Fubuki.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTZRWZsA1pM
I don't know if this is one of the Top 8's you have watched, but it is one of the most recent I've watched with Fubuki in it. Also, this one has Delta Rayquaza too, Europe's best Eyedol. Eyedol is just ridiculous.
No one knows yet. The whole thing is not even announced officially.
OniLordAsmodeus
Neo Member
I don't think you'll have to. As of now, you can boot KI in steam if you have it in Win 10, so I bet they'll allow the cross buy feature. But hey, it hasn't been specifically stated yet.
Not only crossplay but actually using your Xbox account, so that everything moves over so to speak.
drotahorror
Member
If it is crossplay...
I think it'll be the first game to have crossplay between a Steam and Windows store release. And definitely the first game to have crossplay with windows store + xb1 if it goes that route.
It's actually a pretty big accomplishment if they pull off the second one.
I'm going to guess I'll have to buy it again on steam since I only own S1 and S2. I just hope it's not $60. I paid $60 for S1 and S2 combined.
I think it'll be the first game to have crossplay between a Steam and Windows store release. And definitely the first game to have crossplay with windows store + xb1 if it goes that route.
It's actually a pretty big accomplishment if they pull off the second one.
I'm going to guess I'll have to buy it again on steam since I only own S1 and S2. I just hope it's not $60. I paid $60 for S1 and S2 combined.
Hatefilled Vengeance
Member
When they talked about Minecraft crossplay using your Xbox login, they mentioned "any DLC you purchase will be accessible amongst the various devices at no extra charge. (For example: if you buy the Greek Mythology pack on Nintendo Switch, you'll also own it on the mobile, Xbox One and Windows 10 Editions too - no extra charge)." So if KI on Steam supports crossplay/uses Xbox Live, theoretically you wouldn't have to re-buy anything, since the base game is free. Theoretically. Maybe. Hopefully.
BurningNad
Member
Do you get any of the characters if you have the Supreme edition from Windows Store? I don't even remember the difference between the two and looking it up, people were saying the Definitive edition was cheaper, so it would make sense that the Supreme edition would get the characters too... right? :/
I think just selling as definitive edition is more helpful because it will have better exposure via steam sales
There's no need for breaking the game up into little pieces because it's basically content complete
Also hope they put in steam cards
lucebuce12
Member
Unless you can maintain the pressure, activating your instinct is actually a horrible thing to do as RAAM versus Sadira.
Those side-switching mix-ups.... those webs..... those high-low mixups..... I couldn't see any of them
Those side-switching mix-ups.... those webs..... those high-low mixups..... I couldn't see any of them
lucebuce12
Member
Double post but...
It's an interesting design choice, but yeah you have to be on your toes at all times ready for the switch and learn how to make the most of his rush and zoner styles. I love his instinct mode, though. It's such a "now you die!" upgrade.
I'm still wondering this, myself. I Tweeted to the official KI account, but not response. ComboBreaker.com doesn't seem to have more details yet.
Edit: Holy shit, Eagle's theme is awesome.
lucebuce12
Member
I had picked up this game originally many months ago and even managed to get to Gold, almost to Killer. Then just didn't play the game for a few months.
Came back to it and God, I had forgotten how fun it is. Decided to do the placement again, and got placed into Bronze no biggie.
Just had this intense promotion match, still can't believe I managed to make this comeback. Excuse the bad gameplay, I'm still pretty damn rusty at the game
Came back to it and God, I had forgotten how fun it is. Decided to do the placement again, and got placed into Bronze no biggie.
Just had this intense promotion match, still can't believe I managed to make this comeback. Excuse the bad gameplay, I'm still pretty damn rusty at the game
I had picked up this game originally many months ago and even managed to get to Gold, almost to Killer. Then just didn't play the game for a few months.
Came back to it and God, I had forgotten how fun it is. Decided to do the placement again, and got placed into Bronze no biggie.
Just had this intense promotion match, still can't believe I managed to make this comeback. Excuse the bad gameplay, I'm still pretty damn rusty at the game
Hahaha
Dont ever underestimate raam.
IG is really bad at showing anything off. These videos are anti-hype and actually make Eagle look boring to play.
Poker Face
Member
maybe one day KI will have a budget where we get a story trailer and a separate gameplay trailer. I'm guessing these matches were between MS guys too so theres that lol