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'Star Wars': Han Solo Film Loses Directors (Lord & Miller)

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Surfinn

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Bobby Roberts said:
It was probably the way they did things as much as what they were doing.

The reports really make it sound like at some point, both sides just started seriously getting on each other's fucking nerves.
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But what was it specifically? Too jokey? What rubbed Kathleen so raw? That's what I wanna know.

What was so fucking terrible that Kathleen would be like "nah that's it you guys are done"?
 
MrMephistoX

MrMephistoX

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If Rogue One was shit before they edited the crap out of it I have confidence in KK's judgement here. I'm hoping Treverrow gets the boot Jurassic World was fucking terrible.
 
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Jest Chillin

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Jarmel said:
This might explain why Johnson hasn't run into any issues. Johnson wrote the script for VIII. Kasdan on the other hand wrote the script for this and this is also his pet project along with his son. Kasdan might have wanted a more pure 'translation' of the script causing friction while Johnson never ran into any of these problems due to his own control of the script and lack of vested interest.
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The Hollywood Reporter's article seems to suggest that Lord and Miller are, at the very least, more accepting of an improv style of shoot (which has become more popular in the last 10-15 years) and when combined with sections of Variety's article seems to be the case.

Variety said:
”It was a culture clash from day one," the source said. ”She didn't even like the way they folded their socks."

The source said that while Lord and Miller were supposedly hired for their vision and distinctive brand of filmmaking when it came to the ”Star Wars" production, Kennedy did not approve of their shooting style and process of interacting with actors and crew. ”They weren't given the leeway to do what they had to do," the source said.

The duo also clashed with Kasdan, who has been an integral creative part of several ”Star Wars" movies, dating back the the 1980 ”The Empire Strikes Back." Like Kennedy, he questioned many of the pair's directing choices.
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The Hollywood Reporter said:
Lord and Miller (21 Jump Street, The Lego Movie) have a comedic and improvisational style while Kasdan favors a strict adherence to the written word – what is on the page is what must be shot.

The creative clash, accordidng to one insider, came to differences in understanding the character of Han Solo. ”People need to understand that Han Solo is not a comedic personality. He's sarcastic and selfish," that source said..
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When I look at these two things together, my impression is that Lord and Miller were probably doing a lot of "say what comes to mind" or "now try it a different way" type of takes, which probably really rubbed Kasdan the wrong way and Kennedy likely either agreed or just plain backed Kasdan on it. And from what it sounds like, Lord and Miller thought they had earned enough clout to at least make it to Post where everyone could see how it would all fit together and be ok with it. Obviously that's not the case though.
 
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Goodstyle

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SomewhatGroovy said:
I'm not clinging on to anything, especially guesses i pull from my ass on the back of a one-sided story. I mean just read the bolded again. What the fuck are you babbling about?
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The main thrust of my point is the assumption that Disney gives out full creative control is based on a hell of a lot less than the opposite.

And as for that paragraph, it's called speculation, calm down. I'm not saying anything is a fact, that whole paragraph was just literally me guessing (like I even say in my post). You sound like an emotionally hurt fanboy who doesn't think it's OK for people to even speculate on a bombshell like this. Grow up.
 
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MHWilliams

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duckroll said:
Never understood why he didn't just direct it himself then.
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Because Kennedy probably couldn't convince Disney to hand that budget with him in the chair.

Surfinn said:
But what was it specifically? Too jokey? What rubbed Kathleen so raw? That's what I wanna know.

What was so fucking terrible that Kathleen would be like "nah that's it you guys are done"?
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Improv directors clashing with Kasdan's script for his pet project.
 
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WhiteRabbitEXE

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Surfinn said:
What were L&M doing that Kennedy hated so much? :(
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Probably a lot of improv that was driving it further and further from the script. Generally a producer is going to have aversion to a lot of freewheeling on a $200m project because it's pretty much a built in requirement for being a successful producer to say "yeah, no, don't do that". Seems like the biggest "crime" here was upsetting Kasdan with all of the script divergences though, and Kasdan >>>>>>>>>>> L&M in the pecking order. Kathy already not liking their style is probably why she let herself get worn down by Kasdan to cut them loose if they didn't play ball on reshoots.
 
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Chained Prometheus

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ZackieChan said:
I hate to break this to you, but knowing people who can help get you gigs is one of the top ways that you get work in this world. Merit often comes second to a good recommendation and networking with the right people. That's the way the world works.
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Yeah, I'm very well aware of that. I'm just really bitter today and it's almost definitely making me see red.

I'll cool down over it in due time. Just frustrated tonight.
 
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duckroll

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“People need to understand that Han Solo is not a comedic personality. He’s sarcastic and selfish,”
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This could also be used to sum up the management process of Star Wars in general I think! You think you're in on the joke, and you are as long as it aligns with the boss, but when it doesn't, the joke's on you!
 
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golem

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I wonder if Trevorrow knows hes quickly becoming one of the internet's most loathed directors lol. Better bring it home on EP9
 
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duckroll

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MHWilliams said:
Because Kennedy probably couldn't convince Disney to hand that budget with him in the chair.
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Really? I mean, considering the people they have attached to all the new films so far... I'm not really seeing this. Not saying it's not possible or anything, just that, I don't see it? Kasdan isn't a nobody and he has a more stable portfolio than most of the directors on the new films.
 
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Jest Chillin

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ultracal31 said:
Heck as I recall the "I know" from Empire was improvised
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Empire was different circumstances and had the original actor to boot. This film has apparently been Kasdan's biggest focus for years. He's only written on four other projects in the last 17 years. One of those was only dialogue and another (TFA) was likely only done so he could get this one made.
 
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Chained Prometheus

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golem said:
I wonder if Trevorrow knows hes quickly becoming one of the internet's most loathed directors lol. Better bring it home on EP9
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If I'm remembering it right, he had to cancel his press tours in Europe for The Book of Henry after the poor critical reception it got last week and rise of articles questioning his ability to do Episode IX well.
 
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BumRush

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Somewhat unrelated, but Ron Howard's Beatles documentary was fantastic. He's such an odd choice (for what the supposed tone is) though if he is chosen...
 
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jett

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Chained Prometheus said:
If I'm remembering it right, he had to cancel his press tours in Europe for The Book of Henry after the poor critical reception it got last week and rise of articles questioning his ability to do Episode IX well.
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BumRush

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Jarmel said:
It honestly doesn't even sound like they were making a bad movie but Kennedy and Kasdan personally hated it.
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From the tweet a couple of pages back "people involved could see why L+Ms vision would put off a risk averse studio". It was probably fun as hell, but if KK and Kasdan thought the general public wouldn't like it as much (less dollars), that's all that mattered in the end.
 
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Surfinn

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BumRush said:
From the tweet a couple of pages back "people involved could see why L+Ms vision would put off a risk averse studio". It was probably fun as hell, but if KK and Kasdan thought the general public wouldn't like it as much (less dollars), that's all that mattered in the end.
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This doesn't line up with Rian's EP8 though. Even Mark Hamill didn't like the vision, at first.

And Rian has been quoted saying he's had more creative freedom with TLJ than with any other project he's worked on.

You want a safe, by the books sequel, you don't go with RJ.
 
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ZeoVGM

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BumRush said:
From the tweet a couple of pages back "people involved could see why L+Ms vision would put off a risk averse studio". It was probably fun as hell, but if KK and Kasdan thought the general public wouldn't like it as much (less dollars), that's all that mattered in the end.
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Which is complete nonsense, as far as I'm concerned. This is a known brand. People were going to be there opening weekend because it's Star Wars and because it's a damn Han Solo movie.

If it's quirky and unique, that would only help word of mouth for the following weeks. Mainstream audiences loved the weirdness of 21 Jump Street and The Lego Movie. Lord and Miller proved that they know what they're doing.
 
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Jarmel

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I expect Episode X+ directors to be super milquetoast and safe. I think Kennedy will view the whole 'young director' thing as a mistake after IX.
 
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ghostmind

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Lord and Miller must have really pissed off Kennedy and/or Kasdan.

Being that this film is Kasdan's baby, I'm thinking it was more him.

Though why not just direct it himself? Unless he didn't think he had it in him anymore.
 
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wetwired

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I think the biggest issue will come from editing, L+M have a certain style to their editing and pacing which is where a lot of the humour comes from. In the hands of another overseeing that plus the addition of scenes shot by another director? good luck with that
 
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Fj0823

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So for Kennedy

"No fun or ceativity allowed. Only uninspired rehashes full of OT references are Star Wars like"

Gotcha

Maybe Lord and Miller should've added some Cantina guys in the most random of places or have Kessel Run sequence with tense cuts to a beepy parsec counter.

I have severe problems with TFA (less so with Rogue One) but I thought that TFA was just a safe rehash movie to bring audiences back and then go full crazy with stories and characters....

I hope I'm wrong but it doesn't seem to be the case...
 
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BumRush

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Fj0823 said:
I have severe problems with TFA (less so with Rogue One) but I thought that TFA was just a safe rehash movie to bring audiences back and then go full crazy with stories and characters...
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TFA made over $2B though. Why would they stray from that formula?
 
CassidyIzABeast

CassidyIzABeast

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ZeoVGM said:
TLJ is likely going to go against that logic.
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I'm not rolling. A young Han Solo spinoff movie directed by the 21 Jump Street team is as out there for a Star Wars movie as it gets and they 86'd that once they saw how different that really was. Aint no way in hell Rian is out here in uncharted "I'm just having having fun out there" territory with the mainline sequel.
 
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