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[Equanimity]

This question seems rhetorical, but for any dev-side feature, its not a question if every studio is demanding every feature at once; a good platform has those options available.

We know several studios with massive communities are actively interested enough to make public statements requesting it.

It kind of was but thanks for your input.

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Yes. It actually is. Bedrock update is about unifying the player base so everyone can play together (1,000 player world servers, have cross buy DLC, and the new engine to support this with easy updates across all Bedrock systems). It also means they won't get the graphics pack as it's tied to that engine.

I see. That's a shame, maybe Sony should show some leniency for the sake of their MC player base.

 

[d9b]

You make it sound like Sony owns the people that own a PS4. I own all the consoles, tell me who owns me?

I'm not talking about you. Or me. I'm talking about Sony, how is that so hard to understand?

 

[phanphare]

Why is that BS? What benefit is there for Sony to share their playerbase with Nintendo and Ms?

expanding the pool of players available to play with for games big and small (which would benefit every game even if there's already a healthy player base)
not limiting what devs can do with their games
check off a box for a feature that their competition allows
do something to the benefit of their audience
and not get dragged through the mud from a PR standpoint

 

[Ploid 3.0]

About Paragon with PS4, Sony allow Epic to patch that game each weak with no delay. I never seen a game do that on console. I wonder how Epic got that deal.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

I'm not talking about you. Or me. I'm talking about Sony, how is that so hard to understand?

Then answer this. How does it negatively affect Sony?

 

[Crayon]

If I had a minute I would dig up a few choice knee jerk "Sweeney is mentally I'll" responses from certain people in past threads. Maybe later.

 

[leeh]

Why is that BS? What benefit is there for Sony to share their playerbase with Nintendo and Ms?

There's no social interaction other than text chat.

It's not meant to benefit them, it's meant to benefit their consumers.

 

[The Jackdog]

Why is that BS? What benefit is there for Sony to share their playerbase with Nintendo and Ms?

its pro consumer, not pro sony

heres a question i havent heard anyone answer who has been supporting sony's position.

sure, it wont HELP sony from a business perspect. but how in the hell is it going to hurt them?

 

[d9b]

Then answer this. How does it negatively affect Sony?

Isn't it obvious? Sony is on top of their game at the moment, with a massive player base and a huge pool of people playing big games online at any given time. Why would they share?
Other reasons are given in this thread and numerous other threads on this topic.

 

[leeh]

Isn't it obvious? Sony is on top of their game at the moment, with a massive player base and a huge pool of people playing big games online at any given time. Why would they share?
Other reasons are given in this thread and numerous other threads on this topic.

It's obvious to me that you're ignoring reason and not clearly thinking about this.

 

[phanphare]

its pro consumer, not pro sony

heres a question i havent heard anyone answer who has been supporting sony's position.

sure, it wont HELP sony from a business perspect. but how in the hell is it going to hurt them?

why wouldn't it help Sony from a business perspective? they're about to have the least enticing version of the biggest video game currently on the market

 

[OléGunner]

Do people genuinely expect industry wide cross play for AAA games to become a thing?
Just asking please don't shoot lol.

Even if we swapped MS and Sony market positions around, I wouldn't expect Destiny, Division or COD players to play together across systems anytime soon.

 

[d9b]

It's obvious to me that you're ignoring reason and not clearly thinking about this.

Wat? I'm not passionate about this, just a common sense. Anyway, I'm out... some of you are arguing this from an emotional point of view. Big corporations have no emotions and everything they do is a cold calculation... Good luck with trying to change their mind.

 

[CookTrain]

Do people genuinely expect industry wide cross play for AAA games to become a thing?
Just asking please don't shoot lol.

Even if we swapped MS and Sony market positions around, I wouldn't expect Destiny, Division or COD players to play together across systems anytime soon.

I don't know if expect is the right word, but I'm certainly hopeful for it to become a standard.

 

[phanphare]

Do people genuinely expect industry wide cross play for AAA games to become a thing?
Just asking please don't shoot lol.

Even if we swapped MS and Sony market positions around, I wouldn't expect Destiny, Division or COD players to play together across systems anytime soon.

all it takes is one big game to pave the way forward

that game seems to be Minecraft

 

[Bedameister]

I actually agree with Tim.

Yeah, feels strange

 

[leeh]

Wat? I'm not passionate about this, just a common sense. Anyway, I'm out... some of you are arguing this from an emotional point of view. Big corporations have no emotions and everything they do is a cold calculation... Good luck with trying to change their mind.

I would of had a sensible discussion about this if you actually tried replying to my points rather than skipping me. I wasn't arguing emotionally, I gave you an example for why the larger player pool angle is BS and you ignored me.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

its pro consumer, not pro sony

heres a question i havent heard anyone answer who has been supporting sony's position.

sure, it wont HELP sony from a business perspect. but how in the hell is it going to hurt them?

As a PC gamer, I love when I'm interested and get a game that is cross play with PS4. I'm less tempted to get the game on PS4 and get PS+. I imagine if that was extended to PC + all console cross play a lot more people wouldn't need to get a PS4, that's the point of cross play. Less reason to buy specific platforms. I like cross play, though I got pissed at it in Final Fantasy XI because PC people had better features, and some hacked, but I liked that some of my FFXI friends were talking about getting achievements in that game as I played on PS2/3.

I think PS4 + PC is enough for sony, and that is probably the most they can do. Sony Japan higher ups are pretty stubborn on a lot of things, I wouldn't expect them to do something that could hurt PS+ subscriptions by much. I hate paying for multiplayer, so thank goodness for PS4+PC crossplay, which sony has been cool with since playstation 2.

 

[Gestault]

If I had a minute I would dig up a few choice knee jerk "Sweeney is mentally I'll" responses from certain people in past threads. Maybe later.

And I would decide you're worth blocking, because you're too wrapped up in some meta-conversation you're imagining in your head to actually take part in the discussion here. Sweeney's overall point has been widely agreed with. Some of his clarifications/responses to specifics on social media are raising some eyebrows because they circuitously avoid a logical mark, given recent developments. Based on your earlier response, you're upset that the "Microsoft Defense Force" is critical of Tim Sweeney. Ignore them. If no one here is saying Sweeney is "mentally ill," you're the one bringing that trash into the conversation.

 

[Shrennin]

I see. That's a shame, maybe Sony should show some leniency for the sake of their MC player base.

Yeah, Minecraft in particular seems to expand cross play in ways I only ever dreamed of. It lets you play with everyone no matter the platform. It's why this is so frustrating because Minecraft could be the beginning of deeper cross play.

 

[leeh]

Yeah, Minecraft in particular seems to expand cross play in ways I only ever dreamed of. It lets you play with everyone no matter the platform. It's why this is so frustrating because Minecraft could be the beginning of deeper cross play.

If only.

 

[Trup1aya]

So Tim is making a big deal out of it? And Sony are holding back CP even though they provide an option with PC players?

Tim posts that all Platforms should embrace CP. a poster informs him that Sony is actively blocking CP between platforms other than PC. Tim's response to that is that there must be "more to this story" and he uses an example of exclusive PC crossplay as his evidence.

It makes absolutely NO sense.

It's the same damn game lol

No it isn't Lol. Sony is locking their Minecraft players out of a massive update..,

 

[phanphare]

Tim posts that all Platforms should embrace CP. a poster informs him that Sony is actively blocking CP between platforms other than PC. Tim's response to that is that there must be "more to this story" and he uses an example of exclusive PC crossplay as his evidence.

It makes absolutely NO sense.

it was a calculated swerve, I don't think he wants to shit on Sony on his twitter account

 

[Bits N Pieces]

Msdf hates Tim Sweeney. He's right about uwp and he's right about this too.

Edit: "this too" means embracing crossolay. I have to put this disclaimer because some of you are getting so hung up on thinking he's defending Sony and hates Ms.

Msdf? lol

What is he right about here, that there's more to this story from Sonys perspective?

Fuck me, some of you would die on the hill for Sony.

 

[Yearsoflurking]

Do people genuinely expect industry wide cross play for AAA games to become a thing?
Just asking please don't shoot lol.

Even if we swapped MS and Sony market positions around, I wouldn't expect Destiny, Division or COD players to play together across systems anytime soon.

it won't start anytime soon of course, the purpose is to build up to that one day

 

[FX-GMC]

Msdf? lol

What is he right about here, that there's more to this story from Sonys perspective?

Fuck me, some of you would die on the hill for Sony.

In this case, he's swooning on a hill for Sweeney.

 

[ty_hot]

if crossplay was a thing, I would have bought so many more online focused games... i have a ps4 and my friend has a xone. We just dont want to buy another console. And even if we wanted, it wouldnt be because 'we cant play together' it would be for the games. So as it is, we have different consoles and just dont buy some games because we wont play together.

 

[leeh]

if crossplay was a thing, I would have bought so many more online focused games... i have a ps4 and my friend has a xone. We just dont want to buy another console. And even if we wanted, it wouldnt be because 'we cant play together' it would be for the games. So as it is, we have different consoles and just dont buy some games because we wont play together.

That wouldn't change unfortunately with this implementation.

 

[Netherscourge]

I believe in neutral cross-play.

In other words, you should not have to create a third party account to play the game. You should be able to jump right in using your existing Gamertag platform and nothing else.

Making people create 3rd party accounts is wrong.

They chose PS+ or XBL or whatever to play games. They should be allowed to use only that, not have to create another account.

That's my #1 problem. Fix that, and I'm good.

 

[Chill Penguin]

It kind of was but thanks for your input.





I see. That's a shame, maybe Sony should show some leniency for the sake of their MC player base.

Yup,PS4 will have the worst version of Minecraft and is now considered a legacy system along with the Vita, Wii u, and 360. I'm sure the PS4 Minecraft community won't be happy about that.

 

[Gestault]

Do people genuinely expect industry wide cross play for AAA games to become a thing?

We're actually in a situation where two of the biggest multiplayer titles on the market are effectively a "switch flip" away from implementing it. It's simply a policy from one company preventing it, and that company had previously leveraged how open they were to the intiative as a brand distinction. The technology isn't the challenge, and the companies making/publishing the games actively want it for business reasons.

So yeah, I think many expect it to become a thing.

 

[FX-GMC]

I believe in neutral cross-play.

In other words, you should not have to create a third party account to play the game. You should be able to jump right in using your existing Gamertag platform and nothing else.

I disagree. I like sharing progress between platforms.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Yup,PS4 will have the worst version of Minecraft and is now considered a legacy system along with the Vita, Wii u, and 360. I'm sure the PS4 Minecraft community won't be happy about that.

Imagine the Vita, PS3, Wii U, and 360 community.

They will be fine. There are a ton of different versions of Minecraft, and they are cheap on tablet/phone and PC. Toaster PCs can run minecraft.

 

[Netherscourge]

I disagree. I like sharing progress between platforms.

Then make it optional, not mandatory.

 

[Sad Affleck]

I respect Tim for taking a stand against some of gaming's important issues like cross-play and UWP.

 

[Chill Penguin]

Imagine the Vita, PS3, Wii U, and 360 community.

They will be fine. There are a ton of different versions of Minecraft, and they are cheap on tablet/phone and PC. Toaster PCs can run minecraft.

So you're telling the ps4 version owners to just buy it again? Nice solution.

 

[Kolibri]

EDIT: Wrong thread.

 

[rakkadakka]

This should be a thing and the idea that it is controversial on a video game website is crazy.

Not such a big deal for big selling games but there are tons of smaller MP games that would benefit greatly from this.

Not to mention all the awesome platform v platform matches you could have.

 

[leeh]

I believe in neutral cross-play.

In other words, you should not have to create a third party account to play the game. You should be able to jump right in using your existing Gamertag platform and nothing else.

Making people create 3rd party accounts is wrong.

They chose PS+ or XBL or whatever to play games. They should be allowed to use only that, not have to create another account.

That's my #1 problem. Fix that, and I'm good.

If it wasn't for that on Minecraft, the whole thing would be a bit pointless as you'd loose your progress and have to start new on every platform you go on.

The log-in isn't to log-in to XBL so to speak, more to use your MS account as a unique identifier across all the platforms to keep your saves.

 

[borges]

Doesn't look like he's calling out Sony here ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

The hate for MS is real.

 

[Crayon]

I still think cross play is coming across the board but it will take awhile.

 

[FX-GMC]

Then make it optional, not mandatory.

Yeah, making it optional in this case would defeat the purpose of the Better Together update.

This E3 we shared our plans to introduce the Better Together Update to unify console, mobile and Windows 10 versions of the game under a single edition. And that's not all! This swish new version brings in-game multiplayer servers, an update to give your worlds a lick of graphical paint, and cross-platform support - letting console, Win 10 and mobile Minecrafters play together for the first time!

If it wasn't for that on Minecraft, the whole thing would be a bit pointless as you'd loose your progress and have to start new on every platform you go on.

The log-in isn't to log-in to XBL so to speak, more to use your MS account as a unique identifier across all the platforms to keep your saves.

 

[LordRaptor]

I respect Tim for taking a stand against some of gaming's important issues like cross-play and UWP.

 

[Gestault]

I believe in neutral cross-play.

In other words, you should not have to create a third party account to play the game. You should be able to jump right in using your existing Gamertag platform and nothing else.

Making people create 3rd party accounts is wrong.

They chose PS+ or XBL or whatever to play games. They should be allowed to use only that, not have to create another account.

That's my #1 problem. Fix that, and I'm good.

That's exactly where the situation is: There's no requirement to make another account to do console cross-play. The Rocket League situation makes that clear.

There's only an account involved with the Minecraft situation because it's linking purchases and save-data; and there needs to be a "parent" account, which is a Microsoft Account, because all the necessary engineering/security is in place (and they're the publisher). In a case with (for example) a Ubisoft game: If Ubisoft wanted to link purchases/save data regardless of platform, you would use the Ubisoft account that you already technically use if you play online.

 

[JershJopstin]

That's exactly where the situation is: There's no requirement to make another account to do console cross-play. The Rocket League situation makes that clear.

There's only an account involved with the Minecraft situation because it's linking purchases; and there needs to be a "parent" account, which is a Microsoft Account, because all the necessary engineering/security is in place (and they're the publisher). In a case with (for example) a Ubisoft game: If Ubisoft wanted to link purchases regardless of platform, you would use the Ubisoft account (that you already technically use if you play online).

This. That one thread's title was a mistake. All these Xbox Live posts should not be popping up every thread...

 

[Ploid 3.0]

So you're telling the ps4 version owners to just buy it again? Nice solution.

This is normal. PS3 and 360 players can't get mods on Skyrim while PS4 and Xbox players can. Console players can't mod games like PC players can. I was a big fan of Oblivion and Fallout3/NV and I happily double dipped (people even brag about double dipping these days) for moddable bethesda games on PC. Remasters, remakes, reselling isn't a new thing, and it's not going away, crossplay won't change that. The minecraft situation is pretty interesting, but PS4 minecraft people will survive, the game will still work as intended, and if they feel like the new Minecraft is worth it they can easily get it with something they already have most likely.

 

[CookTrain]

This is normal.

And it may not have to be for much longer...

 

[Synth]

He is right btw. Unreal Tournament was the first crossplay title, so don't hate.

No it wasn't. It was Quake III Arena.

Those were simpler times also, because there was no unifying online service for the console manufacturer to have a policy for until Xbox Live.

 

[Trup1aya]

I believe in neutral cross-play.

In other words, you should not have to create a third party account to play the game. You should be able to jump right in using your existing Gamertag platform and nothing else.

Making people create 3rd party accounts is wrong.

They chose PS+ or XBL or whatever to play games. They should be allowed to use only that, not have to create another account.

That's my #1 problem. Fix that, and I'm good.

There's nothing harmful about 3rd party accounts. Third party systems allow the developer to handle the implantation with little involvement from platform holders.

It's also essential for concepts like crossbuy. For example if assassins creed DLC purchases are to carry over between steam/xbl/PSN acccounts, a third party account like Uplay could link them all.

Allowing 3rd parties to handle is IS nuetral. Also in the case of minecraft, MS is a third party in relation to Nintendo, apple, google and Sony

 

[KageMaru]

I really hope this continues to get attention. It's insane that some would support anti-consumer decisions like this.