Crypto wave washing over the entire market right now. Few AMD cards to be found and now 1070s are either sold out or at a high markup.
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"I Need a New PC!" 2017 The Ryzing of Kaby Lake and NVMwhee!
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Crypto wave washing over the entire market right now. Few AMD cards to be found and now 1070s are either sold out or at a high markup.
Jeff Stephen
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Is a 550W psu enough to power a 1080 Ti or am I really pushing it?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151119
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151119
Dam, and here I thought I could get a cheaper 1070 closer to Destiny 2 launch
That depends on the rest of your components. I think a 1080Ti is ~250w @ max load which is is less than half of your power supply. Ideally, you want to be around the 50% mark in W (so 275w) but even with fans/cpu you'll probably be ok although not as efficient.
It's an EVGA Bronze according to the pic.
7700K + 1080ti pulls ~400-450W system gaming load
JonnyDBrit
Member
It's... doable, though the recommended minimum on a 1080 Ti is 600W. Sure, you typically don't actually use as much power as the recommended minimum provides, you're in uncertain territory there, particularly under load. Since you're looking to buy, I'd suggest bumping up to 600 or so.
Bloodember
Member
Need more information. What resolution and frame rates does he want to achieve? What games will he be playing? Will he be streaming his games or doing anything else with this computer?
Jeff Stephen
Member
Dam, and here I thought I could get a cheaper 1070 closer to Destiny 2 launch
That depends on the rest of your components. I think a 1080Ti is ~250w @ max load which is is less than half of your power supply. Ideally, you want to be around the 50% mark in W (so 275w) but even with fans/cpu you'll probably be ok although not as efficient.
Guess I'll pick this up after all.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151171
Thanks again.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Honestly the major price consideration is not in performance but in thermals.
https://youtu.be/dhBqrXWN1qg?t=4m38s
So nigh-identical performance, noticeable dip in temperature. The AORUS, if you can find it at RRP, might be the best compromise in terms of price, at least of the five tested by Jay.
It should be great. You May also want to consider that you can get the same basic system for less if you get the 405 and pop in whatever video card you want.
Did a quick build maybe someone can look over it to make it cheaper
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor (£194.99 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard (£85.97 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Team - Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£119.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: SK hynix - SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£76.97 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£39.95 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GAMING X Video Card (£249.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400 ATX Mid Tower Case (£56.66 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 (EU) 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£79.77 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £904.29
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-21 00:14 BST+0100
Quick Mustard
Member
He's not fussed about 4K, so that's not a concern. In terms of framerate, I believe his monitor is a standard one, so as long as most games are smooth and he's seeing 60fps or there abouts he'll be happy.
He plays Final Fantasy 14, A lot of RTS's, doesn't stream at all, would use it for Skype and browsing when not playing games.
I'll take a look at this, thanks!
I've been slowly putting together a build by watching deal boards an picking pieces and I have a couple questions before I jump in with a couple components. I'm doing a Ryzen build.
1. I plan to buy a Vega card (assuming it doesn't totally flop). A 650W power supply should be fine for any single card solution, correct?
2. I keep flip-flopping on RAM decisions, considering their current stupid price. I initially wanted to get 32GB, but I might only get 16GB to start now and hope for prices to come down sometime to get the rest. I can't really imagine needing 64GB with this build, but I always like to keep the option open. ... what I'm getting at is if there's a suggestion for what's better for a 32GB system. 2x16GB or 4x8GB? Any suggestions on specific sticks?
Edit: I'll add that I do development and graphic stuff, which is why I was leaning towards more RAM.
1. I plan to buy a Vega card (assuming it doesn't totally flop). A 650W power supply should be fine for any single card solution, correct?
2. I keep flip-flopping on RAM decisions, considering their current stupid price. I initially wanted to get 32GB, but I might only get 16GB to start now and hope for prices to come down sometime to get the rest. I can't really imagine needing 64GB with this build, but I always like to keep the option open. ... what I'm getting at is if there's a suggestion for what's better for a 32GB system. 2x16GB or 4x8GB? Any suggestions on specific sticks?
Edit: I'll add that I do development and graphic stuff, which is why I was leaning towards more RAM.
1. Should be, but we won't really know for sure until Vega actually drops. What has AMD said so far about the TDP etc?
2. What purpose? If it's strictly gaming, 2x8GB is more than enough.
650w is overkill IMO. 550w is what you should be aiming for single GPU setups.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but since Z270 is dual-channel there won't be any differences when it comes to 2x16GB and 4x8GB, at least 2x16GB leaves slots open for upgrades.
RumblingRosco
Member
Historically (well, the last 5-7 years), I don't think the difference between 2 DIMMs and 4 DIMMs has ever been more than 1-3% improvement in overall performance (2 DIMMs being the slight better) I could be wrong on that.
Thanks! Looking forward to FINALLY getting this damn thing up and running tomorrow when it arrives.
What are the smallest PC speakers? I was thinking of getting the Dell AX510, basically a tiny soundbar for under my U2311H monitor. If I want good sound I can use a headset but it's nice to have something for minor audio uses. My desk is small so I don't have room for much.
RamaTheVoice
Member
If you're in the US there's a $70 Vizio soundbar that apparently has great reviews.
AtlantiC_CodeX
Neo Member
Pretty sure I have the right driver. Don't know if it is connected via wireless N though, how can I tell?
Any good cheap repeater you'd recommend?
RamaTheVoice
Member
Have you tried power line adapters? Worked wonders for me! Got a pair of TP-LINK 2000mbps (theoretical, of course) ones for about 100€, basically get the same download speeds as a direct Ethernet connection to my router (100mbps fiber).
E: VVV you're plugging something into your electrical system, so of course checking for compatibility is essential. You are very right to point that out.
Bananajama
Banned
Word of caution on these before hitting buy to check how the circuits in your house are set up
Working example:
I recently had my house re-wired and purposefully chose a Fuse Box that offered greater protection for Power surges and breaks each part of the house into its own individual circuit.
As a result - a Powerline adapter goes from the Plug, to the Fuse Box, and then nowhere. AKA - it doesn't work.
So I selected this after much research https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00FVP0G26/
Plugged into a USB3 socket
And instead of getting 80mbps down and 20 up when I was wired
I'm getting Circa 60 down 10 up.
(Using a 5ghz network - you'll have to force it to use that network as mine kept defaulting to 2.4)
And a decent enough ping. (decent enough that I finished top scorer on Team Fortress 2 last night two games running)
All that despite having to go through a 1 foot thick brick wall and up some stairs
(or if I'm feeling really fussy I get an extra long Ethernet cable for those rare moments I need really fast)
After a few months gaining feedback, I am looking to finalize the part list for my 4k gaming HTPC. Looking for suggestions before making the list final.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($77.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston - HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($123.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: SanDisk - SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($93.75 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Mini Video Card ($458.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Apevia - X-Master Black HTPC Case w/500W Power Supply ($67.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill - N900PCE PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter ($29.20 @ OutletPC)
Keyboard: Logitech - K400 Plus Wireless Mini Keyboard w/Touchpad ($24.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $1056.77
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-21 05:28 EDT-0400
Also, which spot on the motherboard can I place the WIFI adapter in?
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($77.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston - HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($123.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: SanDisk - SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($93.75 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Mini Video Card ($458.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Apevia - X-Master Black HTPC Case w/500W Power Supply ($67.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill - N900PCE PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter ($29.20 @ OutletPC)
Keyboard: Logitech - K400 Plus Wireless Mini Keyboard w/Touchpad ($24.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $1056.77
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-21 05:28 EDT-0400
Also, which spot on the motherboard can I place the WIFI adapter in?
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
A few notes:
1) The wifi adaptor will fit in the tiny little slot above the two PCI slots, that looks like a PCI Express x1 port.
2) The R5 1500X will automatically overclock itself up based on its load and temperature, but it's essentially the same chip as the R5 1400. I'd either get that and overclock manually to save a few bucks or upgrade to a R5 1600 for 6 cores/12 threads.
3) I would not buy a case with a power supply included. I would buy those parts separate, even if it costs a bit more. You can get a good semi modular 550/600w power supply that's bronze or silver rated for under $50, which will be more trusthworthy and probably last you 10 years (nice long warranty too). It looks like a nice compact case though, and it looks like your stuff will all fit. In theory.
4) If you can find a good deal on faster RAM, I would recommend you get a faster RAM set. Ryzen really uses fast RAM. I bet if you looked around you might be able to find a 16 GB set for not much more than the price you found. (You could also bump down to 8 GB in the short term, unless there's a game you want to play that you know will require 16)
A few notes:
1) The wifi adaptor will fit in the tiny little slot above the two PCI slots, that looks like a PCI Express x1 port.
2) The R5 1500X will automatically overclock itself up based on its load and temperature, but it's essentially the same chip as the R5 1400. I'd either get that and overclock manually to save a few bucks or upgrade to a R5 1600 for 6 cores/12 threads.
3) I would not buy a case with a power supply included. I would buy those parts separate, even if it costs a bit more. You can get a good semi modular 550/600w power supply that's bronze or silver rated for under $50, which will be more trusthworthy and probably last you 10 years (nice long warranty too). It looks like a nice compact case though, and it looks like your stuff will all fit. In theory.
Thanks for the answer and your advice, I will keep that in mind.
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
I don't know where else to ask this...But!
Any tips on how to do a clean install of Windows 10? I've noticed my PC acting a BIT funky lately, and it's been a good 2 years since I've done a refresh. I have a TON of data on my various HDDs, so I want to avoid losing anything. This is also an excuse to upgrade/add an additional SSD.
Any tips on how to do a clean install of Windows 10? I've noticed my PC acting a BIT funky lately, and it's been a good 2 years since I've done a refresh. I have a TON of data on my various HDDs, so I want to avoid losing anything. This is also an excuse to upgrade/add an additional SSD.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Download the Media Creation Tool from this site and create a bootable USB drive.
If you want to add a new SSD, you could just install Windows 10 to the newest one and leave the rest as they were. Otherwise, to get a fully clean Windows 10, you'll want to pick a drive and back everything up that's important and wipe it. (It's usually best to have one drive or partition dedicated to your OS so that there's little to back up or worry about)
Sändersson
Member
I bought a 7700k and installed it into my pc and now my pc boots, all the leds and fans are working but I dont get any picture. I tried to reseat the cpu again, tried changing the dp to mobo and nothing happens. Jesus effin christ im just about to throw this whole thing into the garbage.
Does anyone have any other ideas before I give up?
Does anyone have any other ideas before I give up?
Sändersson
Member
Could it be that asusu z170a mobo needs a bios update?
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Sändersson;241423653 said:
Yeah that might be a likely situation, many 100 series motherboards got BIOS updates to support Kaby Lake.
TC McQueen
Member
AFAIK, the Biostar ITX X370 board is out. Everything else is still in development.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Sändersson;241423653 said:
Yes, it would. Kabylake shares a socket with Skylake, but is not natively supported on Skylake boards - they need a BIOS update.
Kwansu Dudes
Member
So, are there new "parts" coming relatively soon or is it safe to upgrade my MOBO/CPU/RAM now? DDR3 prices are eh and my motherboard is crap.
Prices for a lot of components are extraordinarily​expensive right now - on the horizon is Vega in the next month or two, otherwise not too much I think?
Kwansu Dudes
Member
I've seen people selling their RX 5xx/4xx cards for a lot so I guess I'll wait. I should've bought 16gb when they were selling for $65 last summer. Oh well, thank you!
AtlantiC_CodeX
Neo Member
Buggy Loop
Member
Welcome to the club.
I could order the Ryzen today, get it by tomorow with shipping and build the computer (i've got all the rest except CPU & MOBO).
But i'm fucking waiting for another option for mini ITX other than Biostar. I almost bought it out of impatience, but it'd be a bad idea i think,,
Dave_6
Member
I got my first components for my new build in yesterday. I am going to carry over my current storage (500GB SSD and a 1TB HD) for now until I decide to get a M.2 for main storage. I know I will have to re-authorize W10 correct? Anything else I'll have to do other than just getting the latest drivers for the mobo etc?
BRocknRolla
Member
I've got an i5 4690k in my PC right now, slightly OCed. Feeling like it bottlenecks games at 4k with my 1080. I'm not seeing any compelling Ryzen options right now since I use this exclusively for gaming, correct?
Not feeling very impressed with Intel's current offerings, and not interested in updating my mobo for them with coffee lake potentially close around the corner, and perhaps that having a different socket.
Any thoughts on this reasoning? Or am I right to be sitting on my hands right now?
Not feeling very impressed with Intel's current offerings, and not interested in updating my mobo for them with coffee lake potentially close around the corner, and perhaps that having a different socket.
Any thoughts on this reasoning? Or am I right to be sitting on my hands right now?
OriginofHysteria
Banned
Yes you will have to reauthorize. If you're having issues, just contact MS chat support and they'll help you out. Saved my bacon twice.
And after that once you install the driver's you're set. I'd also recommend downloading monitoring tools such as HWMonitor,CPU-z, etc.
Bloodember
Member
For most games you should be fine. There may be some that will bottleneck it that use alot of cpu. Why do you think it's bottlenecking it? What's your fps?
BRocknRolla
Member
Yeah, fps. And it is just some games which I understand to be CPU intensive. (Stuff like Forza Horizon, Dishonored 2, GTA V) It's mostly been fine, but I feel like I'm starting to notice it being less capable. Honestly, the longer I can wait is obviously better since I don't feel like we've seen huge gains (Ryzen seems promising outside of gaming) in a while.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Well, what settings are you using, and what performance target are you aiming for? 4k60 at max settings, 4k60 with some compromises, or 4k30 at max?
Because while the 1080 is a really powerful graphics card, it's not something that will deliver 60 fps in really demanding games, with settings maxed out, whatever CPU you use.
BRocknRolla
Member
4k60 with compromises for the most part. Just looking to make a couple fewer compromises. Definitely understand that a 1080 isn't the end-all-be-all for 4k of course. If the i5 4960k is more than good enough for most games, I'll keep riding it until we see something really worth while.
JonnyDBrit
Member
That's basically the situation you're in. 4K puts way more load on the GPU than CPU, so the 1080 just not quite enough in many instances.
Mind you, if you were to create a custom, slightly lower resolution - say, 1800p - that might be able to get you some extra frames without too much of a dip in image quality, as another factor to consider.