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Ronin Ray

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It's not CP3 or PG13 though.

It's a starting lineup of CP3, Green, Kawhi, Aldridge and Gasol or

Parker, PG13, Kawhi, Bertans and Gasol.

You lose Green and Aldridge most likely to trade for George. Theoretically they would only have to lose Parker to add CP3.

It's a team sport, the Spurs would have to gut their team for George, whereas they could get CP3 without giving up much at all.

They have to get rid of parts to get the cap space for Chris. Also it was just announced the cap came in lower. Either way you're going to have to lose pieces and I rather have Paul George and lose Aldridge. Sorry I think you're under estimating what they're going to have to do to be able to sign Chris Paul.
 
It's not just CP3 or PG13 though.

It's a starting lineup of CP3, Green, Kawhi, Aldridge and Gasol or

Parker, PG13, Kawhi, Bertans and Gasol.

You lose Green and Aldridge most likely to trade for George. Theoretically they would only have to lose Parker to add CP3.

It's a team sport, the Spurs would have to gut their team for George, whereas they could get CP3 without giving up much at all.

Pau Gasoline opted out and his cap hold (and possibly Manu if he comes back) + the cap coming it much lower than anticipated makes it very difficult to offer CP3 near max money. They are likely looking to dump Green regardless.
 

Boogs31

Member
They have to get rid of parts to get the cap space for Chris. Also it was just announced the cap came in lower. Either way you're going to have to lose pieces and I rather have Paul George and lose Aldridge. Sorry I think you're under estimating what they're going to have to do to be able to sign Chris Paul.

Pau Gaol declined his player option, if they don't sign Mills and dump Parker on someone, they would have the max to offer.
 

RedAssedApe

Banned
Just got out of the office and ready for some NBA fuckery


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jobber

Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
Any team that has a dramatic shift in a roster is going to struggle at first. Losing LMA and possibly green isn't that dramatic. If they can keep Simmons you already have a player better then green and Gasol gives you what LMA did on offense he's just older.Brian Forbes could fill in for the Patty Mills role. In the next few years they should be trying to get younger

I wouldn't put 100% faith in Gasol. He's been a liability all season. David Lee played better than Gasol in a lot of games and he's gone. Manu is retiring (hope not). The only guys left on the roster are Leonard..Parker...Gasol...and the D-League crew. :|
 

Ronin Ray

Member
Pau Gaol declined his player option, if they don't sign Mills and dump Parker on someone, they would have the max to offer.

I'm not sure what Fantasy land you live in but they're not going to dump Parker in any way shape or form hence they're more willing to get rid of Danny Green and LMA. Parker's way more valuable to the team right now then Danny Green is.
 

Boogs31

Member
Pau Gasoline opted out and his cap hold (and possibly Manu if he comes back) + the cap coming it much lower than anticipated makes it very difficult to offer CP3 near max money. They are likely looking to dump Green regardless.

Pau Gaol opting out of his 16 million for a lower yearly salary helps the Spurs towards signing CP3. If Manu returns they won't give him nearly as much as the 14 million they gave him last year. They would have to get rid of Parker and let Mills, Dedmon, and probably Simmons walk.
 
Pau Gaol declined his player option, if they don't sign Mills and dump Parker on someone, they would have the max to offer.

If they plan on resigning Pau (like you hypothesized) his cap hold still counts. He's not taking the minimums. And dumping Parker without a sweetener in the deal is not as easy as you think. Spurs are at about $75 million in salary right now, with 8 players committed, with no Pau. With no Manu. Not accounting for a full roster. Cap is $99 million. That leaves their space for CP3 razor thin. Resigning Gasol or Manu for anything even resembling a going rate makes signing Paul impossible unless they can dump 2 (or all 3) of Parker/Green/LMA
 

Boogs31

Member
I'm not sure what Fantasy land you live in but they're not going to dump Parker in any way shape or form hence they're more willing to get rid of Danny Green and LMA. Parker's way more valuable to the team right now then Danny Green is.

CP3 plays the same position as Parker. Why would Parker be more valuable as a backup point guard than Green as the starting shooting guard?
 
the only way this Danny Green to Cle thing makes any sense is if the Spurs have a very good inkling that they are signing CP3 or some other all star
 

Boogs31

Member
If they plan on resigning Pau (like you hypothesized) his cap hold still counts. He's not taking the minimums. And dumping Parker without a sweetener in the deal is not as easy as you think. Spurs are at about $75 million in salary right now, with 8 players committed, with no Pau. With no Manu. Not accounting for a full roster. Cap is $99 million. That leaves their space for CP3 razor thin. Resigning Gasol or Manu for anything even resembling a going rate makes signing Paul impossible unless they can dump 2 (or all 3) of Parker/Green/LMA

Couldn't they back load a Gasol deal so his salary is less this season? Manu might retire. And they should be willing to throw in some draft picks to dump Parker.
 
Couldn't they back load a Gasol deal so his salary is less this season? Manu might retire. And as I said they would have to dump Parker.

A lot of mights and maybes there. Gasol didn't opt out to take less money. Maybe Manu does retire, but if he doesn't? Again, their cap as presently constructed is razor thin in terms of being able to afford a max contract. Even giving Pau or Manu like $5 million a year puts that in danger.
 

norm9

Member
Only reason I don't want CP3 to the Spurs is that means the Clippers experiment didn't work out, they're definitely cursed, and it wasn't Sterling's fault.
 
People don't care about the Jazz, but I do.

Woj said they are very active. They want Beverley or possibly Rubio, and want to move into the lottery, wish I knew the target.

Favors might be on the move.
 

Boogs31

Member
A lot of mights and maybes there. Gasol didn't opt out to take less money. Maybe Manu does retire, but if he doesn't? Again, their cap as presently constructed is razor thin in terms of being able to afford a max contract. Even giving Pau or Manu like $5 million a year puts that in danger.

He actually did opt out to take less money per year to add additional years to his deal. And I get that's it's a what if proposition but isn't pretty much everything we're talking about a what if at this point of the NBA calendar? CP3 might be willing to take a few million less than the max if the Spurs get close.
 
Only reason I don't want CP3 to the Spurs is that means the Clippers experiment didn't work out, they're definitely cursed, and it wasn't Sterling's fault.

With Jerry West as a consultant and an owner that actually cares about his team being good, I think the Clippers are in a much better state when they first got CP3 even if he leaves this offseason. They might be better off with him leaving anyway if it means rebuilding sooner. LeBron is probably a pipe dream anyway so there's no sense planning around him.
 
He actually did opt out to take less money per year to add additional years to his deal. And I get that's it's a what if proposition but isn't pretty much everything we're talking about at this point of the NBA calendar? CP3 might be willing to take a few million less than the max if the Spurs get close.

He would have to take a lot more than a few million less if the Spurs don't make moves, which is what you seek to be missing, and the reason the Spurs seem to be shopping both Green and LMA and will probably try and keep their options open, regardless if they want CP of PG or both. There is no plausible scenario where they can keep their roster as presently constructed and resign Pau and add CP3.
 
Only reason I don't want CP3 to the Spurs is that means the Clippers experiment didn't work out, they're definitely cursed, and it wasn't Sterling's fault.

My reason is purely selfish as I have season tickets. Would be a fucking bummer if CP bolted because that means everyone else is gone and it'll become a dumpster fire that the Logo has to rebuild from scratch.

My only hope is that all this chatter of CP3 looking elsewhere is smoke and mirrors to negotiate a no trade clause in addition to his old man max deal or some kind of other incentive.
 
Whatever the Spurs do now, they are honestly thinking ahead to next summer. That is when they are going to have a wealth of cap space to sign some players, Murray will have hopefully progressed to what they expect, and they will truly start to build a scary scary team.
 

norm9

Member
My reason is purely selfish as I have season tickets. Would be a fucking bummer if CP bolted because that means everyone else is gone and it'll become a dumpster fire that the Logo has to rebuild from scratch.

My only hope is that all this chatter of CP3 looking elsewhere is smoke and mirrors to negotiate a no trade clause in addition to his old man max deal or some kind of other incentive.

I had season tix for the past 15 years. Stopped this past season. Slight pangs of regret but was tired of the price increases every single year for an average product.
 

Boogs31

Member
He would have to take a lot more than a few million less if the Spurs don't make moves, which is what you seek to be missing, and the reason the Spurs seem to be shopping both Green and LMA and will probably try and keep their options open, regardless if they want CP of PG or both. There is no plausible scenario where they can keep their roster as presently constructed and resign Pau and add CP3.

If they trade Parker (which yes, as you said, they would have to throw in a sweetener like a draft pick to make it happen), and give Gasol less money (something like a 3 year, 30 million dollar deal where he gets 7 million year 1, 10 million year 2, and 13 million year 3), and let the likes of Mills, Simmons and Dedmon walk. It's very plausible. The biggest question mark to me is if the Spurs would be willing to dump a legend like Parker. But if they are, it's doable.

I'm also not saying what I think they're going to do (obviously they are trying to shop Green and Aldridge), I'm saying what I would do if I were running their team. I'm also not as down on Aldridge and Green as complementary players as most people seem to be.
 
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