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Blood and Wine has to be one of the greatest expansions ever made

Finally playing through it now, since I found the easy way of getting my lost progress back, developer console commands! I had already replayed the vanilla game a 1/4 of the way through and found most of my oils/bombs/etc that I needed as well as doing the master armorer/swordmaker quests before I said fuck it, and used console commands to get my my character progression where I wanted it to be so I could play Blood and Wine.

Anyway, the fucking visuals and identity of Toussaint is probably the best of any in the genre, but that isn't saying much really since the core game is so incredibly strong, every area of the base game has a distinct vibe to it and a uniquely organic feel. It's believably grim, being in the middle of a war, Novigrad and Oxenfurt are both shiteholes.

Toussaint though? Holy fucking shit you guys.
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We're home brehs. The idyllic, Tolkien, fairytale world of Toussaint, toussaint whose culture and people seem divided between France, Germany, Spain, and Italy. A wonderous place that is seemingly the nexus of all good things, but underneath it all there is a festering darkness, which again reminds us of the grounded, gritty world of Geralt of Rivia.

Geralt as a character is interesting, I kind of tried playing him as a dick in the vanilla game since my first two playthroughs of the game (the second one for Heart of Stone), I played a very chivalrous Geralt which is something I tend to do in a lot of games since I tend to try to be a decent person in real life, and honestly when you get to places like Novigrad and Oxenfurt and the greater Velen area it is so hard for me to not have a conscience and actually try to make it a better place.

Blood and Wine I've taken somewhere in the middle, since well these people are rich so they should pay for good witchering services. Whereas most of the people in Velen have a hard enough time just trying to stay alive.

Toussaint is a completely different place, nearly devoid of threat. It's strange in how the peace is almost alien, after spending so much time in the war ravaged world of the regular game. Also, the region of Toussaint is fucking HUGE, this has to be close in size to a large portion of the main game. I'm not too familiar on actual size talk, but a couple of my images above illustrate the distance between certain places in the world.

Namely the really neat subtle visual nod to BOTW.

Is probably one of my favorite recent easter eggs in all of gaming.

I guess the other big thing aside from visuals(The above images were all 1080P, Ultra with Phyx on, no physx Hair AA), would be the story, it has a lot of weird existentialistic tint to it moreso than even the base game, especially when a certain character that I didn't think would ever see the light of day returning in a really interesting way. Which I won't spoil but most people know what I'm talking about.

I love long, existentialistic conversations with depth between characters and there is tons of that here, there is also that familiar sense of twisting of familiar fairytale lore and stereotypes in very smart ways that the base game already managed.

Also the music is absolutely fucking amazing, all of the gwent themes for Blood and Wine are incredible and I need them in the Open Beta card game. NOW.

So people of Neogaf, what do you think of The Witcher 3: Blood and Wine?
 

RedAssedApe

Banned
i wish i could get this as a standalone. did they every fix that silly thing where people who played the original witcher 3 can't import their game to the GOTY edition?
 

Gleethor

Member
Typically, DLC is priced in a way where it seems like a poor value in comparison to what's already on the disc (I realize that this is out of necessity, since fewer people will buy the DLC vs main game)

However, at $20 Blood and Wine really does feel like the game gets 33% bigger and better, if not moreso.

edit: OP this expansion was 100% developed before that part of Zelda was even revealed.
 
Typically, DLC is priced in a way where it seems like a poor value in comparison to what's already on the disc (I realize that this is out of necessity, since fewer people will buy the DLC vs main game)

However, at $20 Blood and Wine really does feel like the game gets 33% bigger and better, if not moreso.

edit: OP this expansion was 100% developed before that part of Zelda was even revealed.

Are you sure though? I mean didn't we see parts of Zelda in like 2014-2015?

But to address what else you said I think even saying closer to 40% would even be fair, I had the season pass I think...so this has been sitting away languishing waiting to be played on my harddrive for sometime. Which is probably one of my biggest gaming sins really.

Hearts of Stone is better.

No, no it wasn't. HoS is terrible in comparison I was very let down.
 

SolVanderlyn

Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Amazing atmosphere here, I agree. I don't necessarily prefer it to the main game's grimness, but it's a nice contrast for sure. The vampire stuff was all really interesting and I love how
Lambert showed up. I love Lambert.

That spoon house was horrifying.
 

Guerrilla

Member
Wait a second, this thread is so inflammatory, "one of the greatest expansions ever"? Are you kidding me?

This is clearly THE best expansion ever made ;)

But seriously, it totally is. It's the goty of it's year, and it's an expansion for christs sake...
 

Chakan

Member
Blood and Wine world is stunning to say the least, but Hearts of Stone story is way better. Incredibly well written.
 
Amazing atmosphere here, I agree. I don't necessarily prefer it to the main game's grimness, but it's a nice contrast for sure. The vampire stuff was all really interesting and I love how
Lambert showed up. I love Lambert.

That spoon house was horrifying.

Fuck that spoon house so much, fuck.

I hated that part it was horrifying since I suffer from OCD(among other disorders) so that is kind of what it is like.

Oh shit that spoiler. :( But now I'm giddy.
Lambert is life.
 

Rezbit

Member
The extra area is incredible in Blood and Wine but I thought the story of Hearts of Stone was better. Either way, both are top-tier.
 

GSG Flash

Nobody ruins my family vacation but me...and maybe the boy!
Not sure if OP is serious about that Zelda comment....


Anyways, Blood and Wine probably is the best DLC/expansion pack ever to be released. CDPR could've released this as a standalone full priced game and no one would've blinked an eye, it's really that big and that full of content. In fact, it's better than most full priced games being released nowadays.
 

CEJames

Member
i really love the subtle nod to breath of the wild in zechariah 14:4

lmao Holy shit....this is awesome.

zechariah 14:4 "On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south."

 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
Toussaint is great, however what bothered me is that comparatively few of the buildings can be entered, which made the artificial nature of the world palpable and distracted from the nonetheless honourable attempt to convey a living, breathing countryside. The region felt more like a giant film set, really.
 

JBwB

Member
Yeah B&W was damn amazing. It's easily up there as one of the best expansions I've ever experienced.

CDPR did an amazing job with Toussaint. It's exactly how I would've envisioned it to look and feel after reading the books.
 

hydruxo

Member
Are you sure though? I mean didn't we see parts of Zelda in like 2014-2015?

But to address what else you said I think even saying closer to 40% would even be fair, I had the season pass I think...so this has been sitting away languishing waiting to be played on my harddrive for sometime. Which is probably one of my biggest gaming sins really.



No, no it wasn't. HoS is terrible in comparison I was very let down.

Hearts of Stone is better in terms of characters and story. It also had far more memorable missions. Blood and Wine is a much larger expansion and it's great in many ways, but to call HoS "terrible" is so off base it's insane. They're both fantastic.
 
Toussaint is great, however what bothered me is that comparatively few of the buildings can be entered, which made the artificial nature of the world palpable and distracted from the nonetheless honourable attempt to convey a living, breathing countryside. The region felt more like a giant film set, really.

I just figured that was because the people around Toussaint lock their shit up because Geralt the Klepto of Rivia will steal every ounce of alcohol for making decoctions, bombs, and witcher potions.

Hearts of Stone is better in terms of characters and story. It also had far more memorable missions. Blood and Wine is a much larger expansion and it's great in many ways, but to call HoS "terrible" is so off base it's insane. They're both fantastic.

Man of Glass was cool until they turned him into a bad Star Trek villain when they unmasked him. They had a set up for Lovecraftian awesomeness and fuckery but they wasted it completely, and I find it laughable that you would consider anything in HoS comparable to some of the stuff in Blood and Wine. I mean as DLCs they are among the top tier, but I consider HoS to be on a grade much lower than the core game and Blood and Wine as well.
 

Guerrilla

Member
i really love the subtle nod to breath of the wild in zechariah 14:4

On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south.

Damn the bible is legit, might have to get back into religion. There are probably even some dope cameos of my fav Doom enemies in there.
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
I just figured that was because the people around Toussaint lock their shit up because Geralt the Klepto of Rivia will steal every ounce of alcohol for making decoctions, bombs, and witcher potions.

Haha, that would certainly be understandable in my case. I looted just about everything that wasn't nailed down (I think I eventually stopped picking up broken rakes and other worthless junk).
 

Fbh

Member
Yep it's amazing.

Honestly, between the new and different location, new game mechanics and just overall quality of it all at times it felt like I was playing the Witcher 4.

And the value on this thing is insane . It had more content than A LOT of full prices games.
 
Really couldn't get into it.

I really liked the original game and Hearts of Stone, but I didn't have any fun with Blood and Wine. Somehow, they made the combat even worse in the expansion. The quests in general were lower quality. The new area in terms of visuals is noticeably worse in comparison to the landscapes in the base game. Lastly, I'm pretty much done with The Witcher 3 overall. I put over 100 hours into that game. The last thing I wanted from the expansion was "here, 30 more hours of Witcher 3, have fun!"

If we're talking RPG expansions, I thought Shivering Isles from Oblivion was much better. It was just more Oblivion at the core, but the new world was so different from everything in the base game. It was a real treat experiencing all the insanity that new expansion had to offer.
 

BobLoblaw

Banned
Hearts of Stone is better. And I'm one of the ones that hated the green tint. Thankfully, I was able to get rid of that shit. Still, compared to most, B&W was quite good.
 
i really love the subtle nod to breath of the wild in zechariah 14:4

I love it when you post.

Haha, that would certainly be understandable in my case. I looted just about everything that wasn't nailed down (I think I eventually stopped picking up broken rakes and other worthless junk).

It's still a valid criticism but I liked the amount of NPC traffic I saw while going along the roads so far.
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
It's still a valid criticism but I liked the amount of NPC traffic I saw while going along the roads so far.

Oh, I definitely wouldn't say it soured the overall experience. The difference just stood out like a sore thumb to me as I jumped headfirst into Blood & Wine immediately after finishing the main campaign and Hearts of Stone.
 

VeeP

Member
Another sick Breath of the Wild reference in The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt:

Breath of the Wild

Wild Hunt

Damn. Makes sense. I mean, Breath of the Wind was open world. And then Witcher 3 becomes open world after the 2 previous games were linear?

Lol. CDPR is a joke, how many times are they gonna copy Zelda?
 
I think Hearts of Stone had a better story but its only shortcoming was how it reused the base game's area. Blood & Wine is fantastic. Shame they both didn't do new landmasses.
 

SGRX

Member
Blood and Wine was fantastic. I may slightly prefer the storyline in HoS, but Toussaint was a perfect send-off for one of the best RPGs I have ever played.
 

GonzoCR

Member
Yeah Blood & Wine is legit. The second best expansion I've ever played after The Old Hunters, but in terms of content compared to its price it's definitely the best. I think it's better than the base in game in all honesty.
 
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