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[Kleegamefan]

Now that the Xbox One X has been fully revealed, it seems like it or the PS4 Pro are a direct response to the other.

Although they are marketed differently and there is a noticeable price and performance delta between them, they are the fucking same console given the one year gap.

In my eyes, they are so similar in design and purpose (too similar)I am very suspicious to take at face value, Sony's and Microsoft's explanation for this similarly.

If they are to be believed, similarities between Pro and X are mere coincidence as they were being developed for years (since 2013-ish, supposedly)in a vacuum and are absolutely, positively in no way reactive to each other as they were unaware of each other before hand.

Now with all that out of the way who is REALLY the initiator of this iterative console model?

Who blinked first.....Microsoft or Sony?

 

[Equanimity]

One's a mid-gen refresh, and the other is a generation-less console.

Microsoft was reactive to PlayStation 4's power advantage and PlayStation was reactive to market trends.

So I'd say Sony did.

 

[LewieP]

I think AMD did.

In previous generations, R&D efforts went towards dropping the prices of their bespoke silicon.

This time around, with comodity parts provided by AMD, far more R&D effort go towards making the next generation of chips, because the console market is only a small part of AMD's entire operation.

 

[RomeoDog]

One is mid-gen refresh, and the other is a generation-less console.

Or a console on its own generation with no exclusive games.

This time around, with comodity parts provided by AMD, far more R&D effort go towards making the next generation of chips, because the console market is only a small part of AMD's entire operation.

I may be wrong, but I think consoles saved AMD from having to cut down while they lost in the CPU market.

 

[Kickz]

They should continue this model, no PS5, just go with a PS4Pro2 with Ryzen in 2019

 

[Kleegamefan]

One is mid-gen refresh, and the other is a generation-less console.

As I said, they are marketed differently.

 

[ItAintEasyBeinCheesy]

Ones got a strong library and a lot of stuff in the pipeline to warrant a mid gen upgrade the others a major upgrade with not much to justify the upgrade. I'd probably get an X if the gap between Pro and X is huge in Red Dead.

 

[Equanimity]

Or a console on its own generation with no exclusive games.

It does have console exclusives.

 

[Give War A Chance]

Or a console on its own generation with no exclusive games.

Well then.

 

[Kyoufu]

They should continue this model, no PS5, just go with a PS4Pro2 with Ryzen in 2019

Nah.

 

[RomeoDog]

It does have console exclusives.

There will never be a game for Xbox One X that you can't play on PC or the One.

Therefore no exclusive games. The Pro also doesn't have exclusives but its just a console refresh.

 

[angelic]

the xbone X is completely stupid in doing 4k native when you can do it with 2x GPU checkerboarded for almost no image quality difference. It should have been an xbone pro with 2x GPU for 299, not a pure 4k refresh for 499.

 

[Kleegamefan]

They should continue this model, no PS5, just go with a PS4Pro2 with Ryzen in 2019

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At that point flip a coin and choose the name based on that

 

[wachie]

Sony.

They appear to know what they're doing and Microsoft is just clueless.

Or a console on its own generation with no exclusive games.

 

[Equanimity]

There will never be a game for Xbox One X that you can't play on PC or the One.

Therefore no exclusive games. The Pro also doesn't have exclusives but its just a console refresh.

You're stating the obvious.

I said the Xbox has console exclusives.

Whereas PS4/Pro has platform exclusives.

the xbone X is completely stupid in doing 4k native when you can do it with 2x GPU checkerboarded for almost no image quality difference. It should have been an xbone pro with 2x GPU for 299, not a pure 4k refresh for 499.

Almost every major third party game is checkerboarded on the Xbox One X. Microsoft is mainly focusing on exclusive games to reach native 4K. Third party devs are free to do what they want.

 

[alt27]

One's a mid-gen refresh, and the other is a generation-less console.

Microsoft was reactive to PlayStation 4's power advantage and PlayStation was reactive to market trends.

So I'd say Sony did.

How is it generation - less ?

 

[Kleegamefan]

I think AMD did.

In previous generations, R&D efforts went towards dropping the prices of their bespoke silicon.

This time around, with comodity parts provided by AMD, far more R&D effort go towards making the next generation of chips, because the console market is only a small part of AMD's entire operation.

Well said.

However AMD is "just" the vendor/licensor of the technology. All the decision making and investment must be underwritten by the platform holders......I.e. The eye blinkers

 

[Jack The Nipper]

the issue with pro is the way the software ids all over the place for it and the issues with resolutions and switching between it all. Pro has too many mistakes and feels wrong.

As long as MS fixes those issues it will go well and be what Pro should have been

 

[RedToad64]

Nintendo with the New 3DS.

 

[Kleegamefan]

Or a console on its own generation with no exclusive games.

Jesus dat ether

 

[Equanimity]

How is it generation - less ?

Straight from the horse's mouth.

I believe it was phil that said the Xbox One is beyond generations.

 

[alt27]

Straight from the horse's mouth.

I believe it was phil that said the Xbox One is beyond generations.

Oh ok, haha. That's just a straight out lie from Phil .

 

[tiredheadcrab]

Or a console on its own generation with no exclusive games.

It doesnt take long to start shitting up MS lately does it?

 

[Freiya]

There will never be a game for Xbox One X that you can't play on PC or the One.

Therefore no exclusive games. The Pro also doesn't have exclusives but its just a console refresh.

It seems so weird to me to view Microsoft as bringing games to pc as a bad thing. I shit on them a lot but that's def not one of the reasons.

 

[Vigilant Gambit]

It seems so weird to me to view Microsoft as bringing games to pc as a bad thing. I shit on them a lot but that's def not one of the reasons.

It's not a bad thing. There's just little reason to own that console when you can buy pretty much every worthwhile game it has on PC anyway.

 

[xenorevlis]

Honestly, due to the shift in chipset manufacturing and the pattern of many gamers moving (sometimes back) to PC gaming, Sony was in talks to do the Pro / Neo early on. Microsoft probably saw this and decided to go ahead and announce their version as well, but plan for the next step up in possible tech while working with AMD on customization. Coming out with a 4.2 TF XB1 wouldn't have been as compelling.

Oh ok, haha. That's just a straight out lie from Phil .

He may bending the truth, but once they introduce original Xbox BC alongside the expanding 360 BC is kind of makes sense.

Then, in the future, they can make new games where the bottom line is the X1X and the best way to play them is the X1Xv2 or whatever.

 

[Gaogaogao]

sony saw an opportunity to make more money, while xbox hardware was falling further behind, so they made a proper upgrade.
I think its more about ego to microsoft.

 

[Fredrik]

There will never be a game for Xbox One X that you can't play on PC or the One.

Therefore no exclusive games.

I don't understand the reasoning here. If you don't have or want a PC, does it matter if the exclusives are on PC too?
Take Street Fighter 5 or Nier Automata, for an Xbox One owner, how does it help him/her that the game is on PC too?
Stop treating console+PC gamers as some kind of majority, we're probably the tiniest group there is among gamers.

 

[RomeoDog]

It seems so weird to me to view Microsoft as bringing games to pc as a bad thing. I shit on them a lot but that's def not one of the reasons.

Having no exclusives on Pro or X1 is not shitting. Its just a big shame considering the waste of resources.

The X1 has more ram and way more gpu power. It could make games that wouldn't run on PS4 and XO. And be tough to run on PC. Its on its own generation power wise but I realized that doesn't mean anything except higher res and faster framerates. But no new engines or future tech like a console generation usually brings.

 

[Grim Patron]

Consumers for willing to buy into this shit instead of just building a pc that does more for less. Don't blame the corporations for your own stupidity.

 

[Fredrik]

Now that the Xbox One X has been fully revealed, it seems like it or the PS4 Pro are a direct response to the other.

Although they are marketed differently and there is a noticeable price and performance delta between them, they are the fucking same console given the one year gap.

In my eyes, they are so similar in design and purpose (too similar)I am very suspicious to take at face value, Sony's and Microsoft's explanation for this similarly.

If they are to be believed, similarities between Pro and X are mere coincidence as they were being developed for years (since 2013-ish, supposedly)in a vacuum and are absolutely, positively in no way reactive to each other as they were unaware of each other before hand.

Now with all that out of the way who is REALLY the initiator of this iterative console model?

Who blinked first.....Microsoft or Sony?

My honest guess is that they both listened to the rumours of a powerful Nintendo console. Sony was the first one out but that's probably just because with their hardware experience they were quicker to put something together.

 

[ShadowFox08]

Ones got a strong library and a lot of stuff in the pipeline to warrant a mid gen upgrade the others a major upgrade with not much to justify the upgrade. I'd probably get an X if the gap between Pro and X is huge in Red Dead.

Diff will literally be og xbone vs og ps4. Lol

 

[Gaogaogao]

Consumers for willing to buy into this shit instead of just building a pc that does more for less. Don't blame the corporations for your own stupidity.

the one thing a pc does not do for less is 4k30 though. plus HDR I guess.

 

[xenorevlis]

The X1 has more ram and way more gpu power. It could make games that wouldn't run on PS4 and XO. And be tough to run on PC. Its on its own generation power wise but I realized that doesn't mean anything except higher res and faster framerates. But no new engines or future tech like a console generation usually brings.

You think a 4x jump from the XB1, and basically the same ratio of GPU difference between the PS4 and XB1, is "its own generation of power'?

Really? xD

 

[Shin]

I'd be more interested to know the background as to how they both suddenly got the idea to come up with a mid-gen refresh.

 

[alt27]

Honestly, due to the shift in chipset manufacturing and the pattern of many gamers moving (sometimes back) to PC gaming, Sony was in talks to do the Pro / Neo early on. Microsoft probably saw this and decided to go ahead and announce their version as well, but plan for the next step up in possible tech while working with AMD on customization. Coming out with a 4.2 TF XB1 wouldn't have been as compelling.


He may bending the truth, but once they introduce original Xbox BC alongside the expanding 360 BC is kind of makes sense.

Then, in the future, they can make new games where the bottom line is the X1X and the best way to play them is the X1Xv2 or whatever.

Xbox 2 or whatever it's called games won't play on the Xbox one x , apart from the first year cross gen or whatever . The increased cpu will see to that.

 

[statham]

every game will look better vs eh first party game some will look better. most not so much.

 

[xenorevlis]

Xbox 2 or whatever it's called games won't play on the Xbox one x , apart from the first year cross gen or whatever . The increased cpu will see to that.

You for sure know this? You work at Microsoft? If it's not the case, then Phil did indeed lie, but I don't see why they won't have cross-play if their intention is to be more seemless.

 

[RomeoDog]

You think a 4x jump from the XB1, and basically the same ratio of GPU difference between the PS4 and XB1, is "its own generation of power'?

Really? xD

The only thing that keeps x1 back is its CPU. Otherwise it is basically a next gen console.

I'm not even an xbox fan and believe this.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

the xbone X is completely stupid in doing 4k native when you can do it with 2x GPU checkerboarded for almost no image quality difference. It should have been an xbone pro with 2x GPU for 299, not a pure 4k refresh for 499.

Disagree completely. I personally don't care very much about all the resolution stuff necessarily, but the fact that it has the power to run games at native 4K, and apparently - judging by the trend thus far - support a lot of games that checkerboard up to a full 4K image, makes me very excited about the kind of power packed into this console. It seems to have plenty power to run games at some pretty high graphics settings while also being able to do so at an insanely high resolution. I worried that too high a resolution would prevent the system from being able to stretch its legs graphically, but it's looking like those fears may have been unfounded.

Not every game will be 4K, or even checkerboard to 4K, and some will even do dynamic scaling when necessary, but the picture that is forming about the potential performance of Xbox One X is pretty damn exciting.

 

[Fredrik]

I'd be more interested to know the background as to how they both suddenly got the idea to come up with a mid-gen refresh.

Like I said, the rumors about a powerful Nintendo console, that has to be it.

 

[xenorevlis]

The only thing that keeps x1 back is its CPU. Otherwise it is basically a next gen console.

I'm not even an xbox fan and believe this.

It is not an order of magnitude ahead, thus not really a new gen at all. I'm not typically lumped in as an Xbox fan either, as I play their exclusives on PC and main on PS4.

I also rarely agree with SenjutsuSage when he goes all crazy with conspiracy theories about Xbox, but in this case he is absolutely right on the money with regards to Xbox needing some compelling reasons to get the system over a PS4/Pro for the people who haven't yet, or are planning to get 4K TVs and want better visuals.

 

[alt27]

You for sure know this? You work at Microsoft? If it's not the case, then Phil did indeed lie, but I don't see why they won't have cross-play if their intention is to be more seemless.

Well if Phil is telling the truth and you want a console that has a jag cpu holding back devs for years then sure .

I will stick with the classic generational approach Sony is taking . If it ain't broke and all that .

 

[Gaogaogao]

people saying xbox one x is in a new generation remind me of people trying to convince everyone else the atari jaguar and n64 were 64 bit, so naturally they were better than the ps1. Do The Math, etc.

what actually matters continues to be what developers want. they want less skus, not more. and thus, they develop for the lowest common denominator. not only because its less work but also, thats the most popular box.

 

[alt27]

The only thing that keeps x1 back is its CPU. Otherwise it is basically a next gen console.

I'm not even an xbox fan and believe this.

That's a pretty massive factor

 

[xenorevlis]

Well if Phil is telling the truth and you want a console that has a jag cpu holding back devs for years then sure .

I will stick with the classic generational approach Sony is taking . If it ain't broke and all that .

Believe me, I'm not saying one thing or another is the truth or my preference. I game on PC and PS4, so console generations with an increase of overall power being order of magnitude that we can appreciate is what I'm used to. Even Mark Cerny knows CPU and RAM are the major step they have to take for next gen.

That said, I have a Pro because I use it with PSVR, UHD TVs, and enjoy the enhancements on titles (and 5Ghz wifi, too).

 

[Hoo-doo]

My honest guess is that they both listened to the rumours of a powerful Nintendo console. Sony was the first one out but that's probably just because with their hardware experience they were quicker to put something together.

You're joking, right?

 

[Kleegamefan]

I'd be more interested to know the background as to how they both suddenly got the idea to come up with a mid-gen refresh.

Switching to an x86 PC-like architecture doesn't just allow them a much easier time with forward/backward compatibility, it also means development of iterative hardware is much less complicated since AMD don't have to start from scratch like the bespoke designs of Xbox 360/wii/wii U/GameCube

 

[BigTnaples]

Consumers for willing to buy into this shit instead of just building a pc that does more for less. Don't blame the corporations for your own stupidity.

Hostile much?


I have a gaming PC and an entire room dedicated to Vive.


I still own a Pro and will get a 1X. There are plenty of reason to do so. You're stance also negates console exclusive. Many of which are fantastic.

 

[rokkerkory]

Sony said themselves they didnt want gamers to move to PC for VR and thus they did the Pro.

MS wanted true 4k.

Both had different outcomes to to after.