One smart move Microsoft made with the XBone One X is the 'system level' supersampling for 1080p users. Now Sony dropped the ball in regards to this, but can't they just add a patch to enable system level supersampling for the Pro? It can't be that difficult? Unless of course they aren't doing it deliberately so they can get as many people buying their 4K TVs lol
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Xbox One X vs PS4 Pro: who blinked first...Microsoft or Sony?
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Kleegamefan
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Xbox one x and PS4 Pro both have over clocked Jaguar CPUs only this time they both have GPUs based on 16nm Polaris tech. Last time xbox used Bonaire tech and PS4 used Pitcairn.
Xbox one x is in no way next generation technology. You will know next generation console when it comes. We will probably be talking about something on the order of 32-64GB of hbm3 stacked ram with >terabyte/sec bandwidth, a Navi-based GPU with at least 20TF and a multi-core Ryzen CPU.
Expect to see all this in a single APU chip using 10nm process.
This is what PS5 and Xbox Two will be.
lol, seems we all were on the same page, was too busy editing while you guys posted.
Yea, the earliest I see is Oct 23, 2015 for more powerful PS4 rumors. I cant really find anything before that for either mid gen refresh.
LiquidSolid
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No, it's not newer. It's a Polaris-based GPU, same as the Pro, with four more cores and a significant upclock.
You have hilariously low standards for what counts as a new generation.
You might want to check your math if you think the X is 50% more powerful than the Pro... It's more like ~43%, while the PS4 is ~41% more powerful than the Xbone.
If you think the X is more future proof than the Pro, that's fine, I don't really care. Personally I see both consoles as stopgaps before the PS5 and next Xbox come out in a few years.
The biggest one to me is trying to avoid the slump the console industry got into at the end of last gen.
Service/GaaS sure is selling a lot of Xboxes.
Fredrik
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Hah fantastic, it's all about UHD blu-ray
Especially if the ram prices are still as high as they are right now
While saying its not next gen tech is subjective.
It is its own generation and different enough to the pro.
given this gen's limitations i think the writing was on the wall early on, either the gen had to be cut short or lose to PC mindshare (yes, PC is only growing year by year now). sony wasn't about to bail on a steadily growing base, so the Pro was a happy medium.
i doubt MS just so happened to reach the same conclusion at the same time, probably had indications what sony engineering were up to before most of us knew
i doubt MS just so happened to reach the same conclusion at the same time, probably had indications what sony engineering were up to before most of us knew
Nah.
Developing for 3 versions of a PS4 and maybe 3 versions of XB1 sounds like the dumbest idea.
IMO, go PS5/XB2 and make PS4 Pro/XB1X the new "standard."
xenorevlis
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Going to share a quote from the link I posted earlier...
This is not about being first, but to illustrate that Sony was already working on the revision in 2015, likely 2014 (as well as looking at timelines for PS5).
It is also very likely that Microsoft was also doing the same, as they too are working with AMD so there is no reason they aren't looking at the future of their market. The only difference is how long they wanted to wait, as per the hardware they seeked to sell and that may have played into seeing what Sony was going with.
It takes a lot longer to plan a product than people seem to believe. The availability of technology that can function together for a target manufacture rate is key, and why if we see a true generational leap it is very much expected to be in 2020, after the initial chips of 2019 with their incredibly small sizes start to be manufactured for iPhones and non-consumer applications.
BladeoftheImmortal
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Took MS a year longer. I'm going with Sony.
Not just about UHD blu ray:
Read the part about PS4 performance boost.
I agree and I see these types of discussions alot in smartphone land.
It is. But no ish it isn't selling more than Sony. Playstation is a bigger brand worldwide.
That's not a slight against xbox. At all. Playstation is a juggernaut of a brand and has been for ages.
That'd be awful. The base would still be limited to Jaguar CPUs and 8GB RAM. No developer would want that and Sony wouldn't want that either.
Hahahahaaaha
No thanks, im happy to pay for power, Nintendo like cut backs can stay away. There's gamers/consumers that won't feel price if the tech is justified. In fact it's extremely important manufacturers are supported for creating premium products. The Elite controller is an example, amazing controller with a type of quality that puts everything to shame, I'm happy this segment of the market is being invested in. That needs to continue.
I'm not sure how backwards compatibility means it makes sense, that doesn't introduce a generationless consoles it just lets you play more older games?
Assuming MS releases a new console in 3 years and if the Xbox One X becomes the new bottom line when It releases then that's still a new generation, your just expanding the generation another 3 years before they move to another new console and the baseline moves. And honestly that sort of thing sounds like it would be a disaster to try and communicate to the general public.
A proper generationless concept would be always having the Xbox One as a baseline much like a low end PC, but again, eventually they will move on and stop supporting it like developers and hardware manufacturers do in every other industry. We might get an iPhone every year with better hardware and a couple new exclusive features, but they drop support for older phones, in fact I believe it is constantly rotating 5-6 years of new phones coming in and old ones dropping off. That's pretty much our console generation length.
It's really not that complicated.
On the first meeting with AMD, back in ~2010, they both received the same talk - X86 and Radeons can easy be upgraded without braking SW compatibility and AMD can provide them easy to pick and choose what kind of hardware they want in the future APUs [no matter if they elect to go with midgen upgrade or nextgen].
Reading comprehension needs to improve. He said that's for new IPs he's signed recently. You honestly think they didn't start signing projects until recently? There will be new games announced next year that started years ago, any sensible gamer can see that . And no it'll not be Gears,Halo, Forza.
Shin
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tassletine
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Nintendo with the WiiU.
Microsoft especially is going to pay heavily for this.
Microsoft especially is going to pay heavily for this.
It's not about the power, thats why I believe Scorpio will fail if they doesn't come with a list of good games to release.
Core gamers with high end gfx go for -> PC
More focus on mainstream(casual) with a list of good games-> Console
As core gamer you can enjoy games too on consoles, but it's more a system to relax.
The problem is, games are today way to expensive to make, so you'll less games each next gen we get. The solution is simple, don't focus on power but on games and unique hardware features that change the way you play games. Thats why I believe nintendo is again take the best direction in years with the switch.
For some of you that think we will see another next gen soon, It will be a disappointment.
There are enough articles to find on the internet about games are getting to expensive:
https://meckronos.wordpress.com/2016/10/13/aaa-games-are-getting-too-expensive-to-make/
Core gamers with high end gfx go for -> PC
More focus on mainstream(casual) with a list of good games-> Console
As core gamer you can enjoy games too on consoles, but it's more a system to relax.
The problem is, games are today way to expensive to make, so you'll less games each next gen we get. The solution is simple, don't focus on power but on games and unique hardware features that change the way you play games. Thats why I believe nintendo is again take the best direction in years with the switch.
For some of you that think we will see another next gen soon, It will be a disappointment.
There are enough articles to find on the internet about games are getting to expensive:
https://meckronos.wordpress.com/2016/10/13/aaa-games-are-getting-too-expensive-to-make/
Bitch Pudding
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I hope you're wrong, because I don't want to wait another 5 years until those arrive.
Also, lol @ those suggesting Xbox One X is some kind of new generation or "future-proof" in any way.
It neither has exclusive games (as in: "not possible on Xbox one S", which has been the very definition of next-gen since consoles exist) nor enough beef to separate itself from the fastest current gen console.
Real next-gen consoles will be at the very least 4 times more powerful than their fastest predecessors, and I for one would still not call them next-gen if devs are forced to support the previous generation consoles as well.
LiquidSolid
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You're right that I should've called them compute units (I was lazy) but I was referring to a significant upclock in comparison to the Pro (911MHz vs 1172MHz).
Equanimity
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I don't know about that. Gears, Halo and Forza are established franchises.
I'm personally really looking forward to Cuphead, Sea of Thieves, Ori and the w
will of the Wisp, Ashen and Tacoma.
I guess you could call it a console without barriers.
Well that's not true, at all.
The rest is most likely true.
Feel_The_Pain
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Uh huh, guess not being the most powerful has all the fanboys up in arms.
Might as well be SonyGAF.
Equanimity
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Come on mate, this is just pathetic.
This was actually discussed in one of the (purposefully and with the full knowledge of Sony) leaked Neo development presentation slides when Sony were doing seminars on the new SDK that went along with the Pro.
So yes, they can but it needs to go into the SDK first and may require additional patching from games.
OT - does it really matter? For both MS & Sony there won't be a single reason they've decided to test the waters with a mid-gen upgrade for their platforms, and while some of the reasons will be common to both, their order of priority for each company will be different.
I think for both of them one of the bigger weighing reasons was to test the mid-gen upgrade idea. I also think that the way both have approached it demonstrates how much they viewed it as a risk. The Pro is a pretty conservative upgrade, still keeps the same architecture (by and large), same memory etc. and even to the extent that it took a few months before they added boost mode. This is as cautious as it gets.
MS OTOH have gone all in with an engineering tour de force (even if the CPU is still a Jag), but clearly view this as a way of locking in their core audience and giving it that sheen of 'most powerful' that'll sell it in its primary market.
Random unsubstantiated speculation - I think MS had two potential designs on the table, one of which had a version of Ryzen in it, but AMD couldn't deliver. The removal of the line about VR in the pre-release website after the announcement at CES of a host of OEM VR partners possibly hints that they were expecting something meatier in the pie than the Jag.
Good lulz from Fredrik & SenjutsuSage ITT too.
I really dont think you are in the best position to argue, people make judgements of people with Sony exclusive avatars.
Equanimity
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Shin
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FTFY
Feel_The_Pain
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Didn't take very long......
Equanimity
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ShadowFox08
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I think the best comparison of xbone to xbone x is wii u to switch. Both xbone X and switch are roughly 4x as powerful in GPU as their predecessors, and the RAM scales simiarly between the two consoles as well
ColdDeckEd
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No way that kind of tech will make it to next gen. That's something that would be possible in ps6/xb3.
Equanimity
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The two are a year apart and there's a £120 price difference.
SomedayTheFire
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michaelius
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I feel like Sony plan on hardware is much better for mainstream audience.
New 400$ device every 3 years is manageable for most of enthusiasts and they timed it perfectly into AMD release schedule as when they release PS5 around 2019 Vega and Ryzen Apus will be mature technology.
Meanwhile Microsoft is a moment too early into Amd cycle so next gen consoles will make Scorpio look like past gen machine due to cpu bottlenecks forcing Microsoft to release another console 2 years after Scorpio.
So it looks like Scorpio is whale hunting move to lock console whales into xbox ecosystem.
New 400$ device every 3 years is manageable for most of enthusiasts and they timed it perfectly into AMD release schedule as when they release PS5 around 2019 Vega and Ryzen Apus will be mature technology.
Meanwhile Microsoft is a moment too early into Amd cycle so next gen consoles will make Scorpio look like past gen machine due to cpu bottlenecks forcing Microsoft to release another console 2 years after Scorpio.
So it looks like Scorpio is whale hunting move to lock console whales into xbox ecosystem.
It's this, combined with MS feeling the heat for the XBO being less powerful than the PS4, so having to wait a bit longer to get higher specs they wanted for the XOX.
oldergamer
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Some are missing the point. For the first time Sony brought out a mid gen refresh thst was more powerful then the base system. Inreaction to betting a lot on Vr popularity. Vr isnt really taking off like it was expected asof yet.
The system doesnt benefit many games (be it resolution or performance) specifically for those without 4k tvs. The fact it runs many games with little to no benefit to the user, shows Sony jumped the gun.
All the people talking about ps5 and expecting it in a year or two arent thinking straight. Ps4 pro released last year. They wont fracture support of the market more this early. The reason console makers used notebook CPUs in the first place was due to power restricions imposed on specific classed devices. This wont change in the future.
MS did the right thing in making sure more users could see the bendfit of upgrades. There is no "pro" mode. They also spent time customizing which will help them moving forward. They took more time and looked ahead more than Sony.
Neither lanched with exclusive content although Sony does benefit from Japanese game exclusivity.
The system doesnt benefit many games (be it resolution or performance) specifically for those without 4k tvs. The fact it runs many games with little to no benefit to the user, shows Sony jumped the gun.
All the people talking about ps5 and expecting it in a year or two arent thinking straight. Ps4 pro released last year. They wont fracture support of the market more this early. The reason console makers used notebook CPUs in the first place was due to power restricions imposed on specific classed devices. This wont change in the future.
MS did the right thing in making sure more users could see the bendfit of upgrades. There is no "pro" mode. They also spent time customizing which will help them moving forward. They took more time and looked ahead more than Sony.
Neither lanched with exclusive content although Sony does benefit from Japanese game exclusivity.
That was already OG Xbox One case too, I don't think Microsoft will ever have any exclusives in the future anyway.
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