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[Fine Brothers video] Teens React to Free Speech
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The fact that bullshit like this has taken over the skepticism movement is insane. Sad to see the movement was just a bunch of contrarian trolls whether they were turned against religion and the patriarchy or turned in favor of it.
Poor GRIMES
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The white girl trying to go in on PC culture being too extreme LMFAO
Psychoward
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Absolutely not. There are more dropouts complaining about the political atmosphere on campus for censoring their "opinions" then actually have any significant censoring going on. I went to an extremely liberal private university and there were still pro-lifers demonstrating almost daily and besides giving a slight chuckle, nobody gave a shit.
If there's an article on a single safe space at a single university the alt-right thinks it's an epidemic greater than any modern injustice save for brown terrorists invading the country.
Really between that terrible video and the Fine Brothers being money grubbing dicks I really regret clicking it just out of curiosity.
Crimson_Echidna
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He's like what, 17? Sometimes it takes growing up and experiencing things first hand. That was the case for myself personally.
Poor GRIMES
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Some PoC, granted, I see this more in MoC myself, just like to tapdance for the White majority rather than accept that there might be racist biases that go against them though
Psychoward
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Facts like sexual sciences not even existing and racism huh
Baron von Loathsome
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From what I skimmed, not remotely.
……forgetit
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Wow that's a stupid video.
Sunster
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no. what happens is, in places where minority and female voices are elevated straight whites feel their voices pushed down. it's not at all true.
take Tumblr for example. people love to shit on it. people imagine Tumblr as an SJW gulag where whites wait out life sentences and are patrolled by "feminazis" and the lgbt. but in reality it's one of the few places online where anyyyyybodyyyyyy can come and post their thing and talk to others about their thing in relative safety from internet bullshit like comment sections and react videos.
Well you can google Evergreen college but be careful you may not want to live on this planet anymore afterwards.
Vicetrailia
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Free speech is one of those concept versus reality things. Yes people should speak their mind an opinions should be heard, but at the same time people aren't going to tolerate bullshit. Like I'm not gonna sit around and have you degrade me because you are a white supremacist. So that's actually free speech that push, pull, compromise and even outcasting. But I think there should be more tolerance when debating actual ideas.
Psychoward
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Yeah not saying the kids themselves are guilty of it but it's a whole lot of people who couldn't get in to ivys with a 2.5gpa and blame black people and then lash out at universities all being liberal havens (which to a degree is true because lol many US conservative political policies are based on factually wrong information that wouldn't be backed up by any reputable college or uni)
Poor GRIMES
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I find it even worse how acerbic some of the NeoGAF reactions are towards female dominant websites as well. Jezebel, Tumblr, Buzzfeed, etc. are openly shit on here because of their content that appeals to a majority female demographic. Just goes to show that in apparent progressive spaces, there's still a lot of self-reflection to be done
The thing is. This is largely a truism. If how people feel is a more influential factor on their actions then any facts, then those feelings are what needs to be adressed.
Pop-O-Matic
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I have serious fears about Gen Z winding up significantly more conservative than previous generations due to how much the Alt-Right has managed to take control of mainstream online culture, and this shit isn't helping...
He's 19, but yeah, I guess it depends on his upbringing.
Though as a woman of color, I knew pretty damn early I would never be considered as good as a white male.
……forgetit
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Now I've seen all of it. Kiss my ass. This isn't how free speech works. You can say whatever you want, the world just has consequences. It's always been this way, nothing has changed. There was time when if you said, "well maybe black people should be able to vote," you could get your teeth kicked in.
Hands of Stone
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Super off topic but I finally recognize where your avatar is from and Tanaka really is the best.
Yes and if you feel insulted you are insulted, that is why any criticism is offensive from the start. Again Evergreen showed how this worked, arguing against something equals being a racist piece of shit.
And again people are inside a system where the ideology only can be described as religious dogma and that is why you can not have a different opinion in the first place.
Most underrated of the group!
TetraGenesis
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Reality has a liberal bias. Shame so many people will never get that.
I had one at 15. Puberty is different for all
Evening Musuko
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That's the key right there. When people say that society is "too sensitive" they just mean they want to peddle hate without consequence. Unfortunately for them, selling outright hatred to the masses doesn't go that well, so you disguise it under the, ironically, PC phrase of "free speech".
And really this whole bitching bout political correctness, offensiveness, and sensitivity has been going on long before these teens were even born. It's never going away. Hell, being offended is as American as apple pie and institutionalized racism.
Messofanego
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Anyone notice that the Fine Brothers interviewer mentions the statistic that 54% of college students find the climate on campus prevent people from saying what they believe because others might find it offensive, but doesn't mention the other statistics like 78% of college students believe all kinds of speech should be allowed, to the people being interviewed? Kind of leading them on, don't you think?
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Strange that free speech is only hate speech, when pretty much all the examples show, most of the times people just had a different opinion and now everybody is grasping for straws why this opinion is not valid. People screaming at a feminist because she said something positive about men, people screaming at a professors, because they had a different opinion.
That's the general impression I tend to get. It's another moral panic made up by conservatives but, props to the people that got it going, this one is pretty insidious because at surface-level it seems agreeable for the layman.
Losing all sense of perspective is key to buying into the whole SJW-nonsense.
I was more interested in examples of authority in the classroom doing what was depicted in the video, albeit in a mild manner. The situation at Evergreen is pretty unfortunate and while I don't know the exact timeline surely the faculty should have done more to de-escalate things.
Glass Rebel
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I'd like you to back this fact up with statistics and sources, otherwise it just reads like a feeling.
Anyone notice that the Fine Brothers interviewer mentions the statistic that 54% of college students find the climate on campus prevent people from saying what they believe because others might find it offensive, but doesn't mention the other statistics like 78% of college students believe all kinds of speech should be allowed, to the people being interviewed? Kind of leading them on, don't you think?
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Not surprising. Most people believe in the freedom to say anything you want until someone says something that bothers you directly.
I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't care at all about the viewpoints in the video and this was just A. Some quick attempt at goodwill from the right wing or B. Planned to rile up the left wing for free publicity.
Either way, the whole thing reeks of them grasping out for attention because they didn't get as many youtube bucks as before.
Either way, the whole thing reeks of them grasping out for attention because they didn't get as many youtube bucks as before.
Michael F. Assbender
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Anyone notice that the Fine Brothers interviewer mentions the statistic that 54% of college students find the climate on campus prevent people from saying what they believe because others might find it offensive, but doesn't mention the other statistics like 78% of college students believe all kinds of speech should be allowed, to the people being interviewed? Kind of leading them on, don't you think?
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I think they did they because the 54% statistic is more in line with the discussion they were having. Even if 100% of students claimed they thought all speech should be allowed, the important number in relation to the discussion seems to be that more than half feel that people on college campuses arent free to speak their minds.
How true that is isnt for me to say.
theCalamity
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Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences
Bret Weinstein, Jordan Peterson, Christina Hoff Sommers and so on.
I can give you tons of examples of people getting demonstrated against, getting death threads, not be able to give speeches or lectures just because they have a different opinion on things.
TheWorthyEdge
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Yeah, I gotta agree.
Poor GRIMES
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I didn't bother looking into those examples you gave because those are isolated incidents that don't back up your claim that "PC culture" is outright insidious and poisonous to the country at large
John Rabbit
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Nearly half of the statements made in the original video by the "liberals" feels just as applicable to the far-right.
Generalpsyduck
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Does no one in this fucking country know what freespeech means?
He didn't claim that.
Poor GRIMES
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Oh, that is why President Obama was talking about it about 2 years ago and called it out. Because the President speaks only about isolated incidents.
Yes, he said that PC culture is a thing that happens. Then provided examples. You ignored his examples and then changed his argument to: "PC culture" is outright insidious and poisonous to the country at large". Which he never claimed.
President Obama knows better than anybody just how sensitive white men are about being told to stop being bigoted assholes. He was trying to prevent the current situation we're in now. Because that's what it takes. This country only moves forward when white people are the most comfortable.
Congratulations making this into a race topic impressive. Sorry, I did not get the this sup-context in his speech I linked about how different opinions should not be oppressed and you should not run away from a discussion. I completely missed the race aspect. I am very sorry.
Poor GRIMES
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First, don't try to project this "MLK knew all shit" persona onto Obama as an appeal to ethos. It's not going to work.
Here's what he said in 2016;
http://reason.com/blog/2016/12/21/president-obama-on-political-correctness
He didn't try to paint this "both sides" nonsense you're parroting and how nasty being PC is when it comes to free speech.
Read my post again because I told you why I ignored his examples. He replied to a post asking for statistics. He cherrypicked 3 or so incidents. Those are not stats.
Race matters. White guys are always first in line to cry about not being able to be dicks to everyone else free from consequence. Cry more about it, won't stop it from being a fact.
I actually was replying to the problem that free speech is only hate speech, but I guess you ignored that as well. Strange this is somehow proving my point I guess.
And we are back to truism and truthiness.