I was literally thinking during that final scene how nice it is that they've all found love interests outside the ship... and then that happened. Damn.
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I was literally thinking during that final scene how nice it is that they've all found love interests outside the ship... and then that happened. Damn.
eyeball_kid
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Surprisingly complex episode, both on character development of the collector and the intricate plotlines. Things are getting interesting.
Poor Davin. The guy can't catch a break. At first I thought those peaches were poisoned, but uh...actually I don't really understand what happened. AFAIK he doesn't have the green goo inside of him, so why did she die like that? Was she a secret alien spy or something, and his magic anti-goo powers went to work on her?
lol terrible... sure. "terrible" is Dark Matter, Killjoys even on its worst days is still good popcorn fare.
Poor Davin. The guy can't catch a break. At first I thought those peaches were poisoned, but uh...actually I don't really understand what happened. AFAIK he doesn't have the green goo inside of him, so why did she die like that? Was she a secret alien spy or something, and his magic anti-goo powers went to work on her?
lol terrible... sure. "terrible" is Dark Matter, Killjoys even on its worst days is still good popcorn fare.
eyeball_kid
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Yeah, she did a great job. The episode went in different directions than I thought it would. Why didn't Davin just have sex with her again to keep the goo at bay? I mean...it's not like that would have been the worst thing in the world. Dutch letting her go didn't make a lot of sense if she's just going to come back to hunt them down. And Khlyen leaving all that stuff for Dutch on a random world seemed a bit convenient, but I guess I'll roll with it.
I thought it was a nice beat when Davin said, "I'll always put the team first", meanwhile his brother was doing the opposite.
Norwegian Rudo
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She's the lead in CW's new show No Tomorrow, so she'll probably be too busy to return.
TDLink
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I don't think lack of good current sci-fi TV should make us consider bad or mediocre sci-fi TV better than it is. There's plenty of older great Sci-Fi. I'd always recommend one of those over one of these newer shows. It's unlikely that most people have seen literally all of them.
That said, yes Killjoys rises above its budget. Unfortunately the low budget is only part of the problem. The entire scope of the show is somewhat small. Even for a serial show, the cast (both main and recurring) is extremely small. Whenever interesting plot threads are opened up, they tend to not be explored. I won't say Killjoys is bad but I still continue to think it's just "alright".
eyeball_kid
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Another good episode. The writing was a bit formulaic with Davin's "learning to control the goo" power, but eh.. it wasn't one of their regular writers. One thing I continually appreciate about the writing of this show though is that the main cast don't get let off the hook for their mistakes. John betrayed his team and now he's in deep shit. Actions have consequences in this show, and the heroes don't always end up beating the bad guys at the end.
Well, to each their own. I don't watch Killjoys because it's the best of the worst. I'd rank it below SG-1 and above all the SG spinoff series. Killjoys has its own overarching plot and lore, but it was never meant to be a sweeping epic like Babylon 5, and they don't have the budget to be as diverse as SG-1 was. Besides, I'd rather have a small cast with good actors and interesting characters than have a large cast full of stereotypes and C-tier acting.
Well, to each their own. I don't watch Killjoys because it's the best of the worst. I'd rank it below SG-1 and above all the SG spinoff series. Killjoys has its own overarching plot and lore, but it was never meant to be a sweeping epic like Babylon 5, and they don't have the budget to be as diverse as SG-1 was. Besides, I'd rather have a small cast with good actors and interesting characters than have a large cast full of stereotypes and C-tier acting.
UnnecessaryTodd
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Agreeing with other people in the thread, season 2 has gotten a bit formulaic in a lot of ways. I'm really not feeling Johnny's split from Dutch, it seemed too easy and I thought one of them would fight a lot harder for it but I guess Dutch has no tolerance for this kinda thing so it kinda makes sense? sorta? Still, after giving us a whole season of Johnny getting mad at D'avin and Dutch for hooking up, and then him doing the exact same thing it's kinda bullshit.
D'avin was never a favourite character and so him becoming more important isn't doing the show any favors but more Alvis is always appreciated. I really miss Clara and Alice from the S2 premiere, they really built her up so here's hoping she joins in some capacity in season 3 or later this season. The ship needed a new dynamic and Alvis isn't exactly filling it, he's too homogenous with the characters. Johnny and Clara would've been a LOT more believable than Johnny/Potter.
Speaking of, Potter's acting has been really flat I've felt... she never really conveys character through how she speaks or how she moves, it's purely dialogue informing us of what she's about. I guess that kinda makes sense from her prim and proper upbringing but that's really not a good excuse for lack of emoting from her.
Level 6 seems too ubiquitous now... they used to be this big hidden entity and now they're just everywhere? I guess it kinda makes sense but I was figuring this would be a more covert information gathering season rather than run and gun. They still haven't captured the same sense of dread and mystery that the initial torture chamber Red 17 episode had and that's a shame because it really was a high point for the show and it was something I felt they excelled at.
Overall, slightly disappointed with season 2 so far but still enjoying it enough to keep watching through next season if there is one.
D'avin was never a favourite character and so him becoming more important isn't doing the show any favors but more Alvis is always appreciated. I really miss Clara and Alice from the S2 premiere, they really built her up so here's hoping she joins in some capacity in season 3 or later this season. The ship needed a new dynamic and Alvis isn't exactly filling it, he's too homogenous with the characters. Johnny and Clara would've been a LOT more believable than Johnny/Potter.
Speaking of, Potter's acting has been really flat I've felt... she never really conveys character through how she speaks or how she moves, it's purely dialogue informing us of what she's about. I guess that kinda makes sense from her prim and proper upbringing but that's really not a good excuse for lack of emoting from her.
Level 6 seems too ubiquitous now... they used to be this big hidden entity and now they're just everywhere? I guess it kinda makes sense but I was figuring this would be a more covert information gathering season rather than run and gun. They still haven't captured the same sense of dread and mystery that the initial torture chamber Red 17 episode had and that's a shame because it really was a high point for the show and it was something I felt they excelled at.
Overall, slightly disappointed with season 2 so far but still enjoying it enough to keep watching through next season if there is one.
Delle is brutal, Pawter literally gave her the knife.
I don't see how Dutch and crew don't shoot her in the face the next time they see her.
edit: watched the episode again in hindsight yeah you should not trust Delle, she even admits it. Just evil doer management at its best, I hope she sticks around to the very end of the series.
I don't see how Dutch and crew don't shoot her in the face the next time they see her.
edit: watched the episode again in hindsight yeah you should not trust Delle, she even admits it. Just evil doer management at its best, I hope she sticks around to the very end of the series.
Enosh
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man, what a downer ending, I was looking forward to season 3 with her as a permanent ship member and then this :/ I hope johnny gets to have his revenge at some point
"having my Dutch and eating my Pawter" was a great line through
only one episode left, hope we get a season 3 because this is going to end o some crazy cliffhanger
"having my Dutch and eating my Pawter" was a great line through
only one episode left, hope we get a season 3 because this is going to end o some crazy cliffhanger
Jay Shadow
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Killjoys and Dark Matter renewed for Season 3
As for last episode, I've been expecting her to die for at least a month with them laying on her and Johnny's happiness so damn thick, and then them literally adding the drug induced line "I'm so happy I could die".
As for last episode, I've been expecting her to die for at least a month with them laying on her and Johnny's happiness so damn thick, and then them literally adding the drug induced line "I'm so happy I could die".
eyeball_kid
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There was heavy foreshadowing, but I was still surprised by Pawter's death. All my Killjoys crushes are getting taken out.
The finale was I thought the best episode of the season. I missed the run-and-gun stuff from season 1. Actually good ship dogfighting. Now we know why the budget seemed low at the beginning, they spent it all on this episode.
Is John really off the show?
The charisma with him/Dutch/Davin/Lucy was so good. Also shocked by Khlyen's death. I liked his character and felt like they were just starting to explore the dynamic with him and Dutch.
It's going to be a long wait until next season. I really wish Killjoys was 12 or 13 episodes, even if a couple were non-plotline throwaway fun.
I'm a little worried that the dynamic of the episodes is going to change to us vs. a huge alien invasion force. I liked the small stories of their season 1 Killjoys missions. I think this season already suffered from that a bit with the green goo plotline.
The finale was I thought the best episode of the season. I missed the run-and-gun stuff from season 1. Actually good ship dogfighting. Now we know why the budget seemed low at the beginning, they spent it all on this episode.
Is John really off the show?
The charisma with him/Dutch/Davin/Lucy was so good. Also shocked by Khlyen's death. I liked his character and felt like they were just starting to explore the dynamic with him and Dutch.It's going to be a long wait until next season. I really wish Killjoys was 12 or 13 episodes, even if a couple were non-plotline throwaway fun.
I'm a little worried that the dynamic of the episodes is going to change to us vs. a huge alien invasion force. I liked the small stories of their season 1 Killjoys missions. I think this season already suffered from that a bit with the green goo plotline.
UnnecessaryTodd
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The finale was I thought the best episode of the season. I missed the run-and-gun stuff from season 1. Actually good ship dogfighting. Now we know why the budget seemed low at the beginning, they spent it all on this episode.
Is John really off the show?
I'm a little worried that the dynamic of the episodes is going to change to us vs. a huge alien invasion force. I liked the small stories of their season 1 Killjoys missions. I think this season already suffered from that a bit with the green goo plotline.
I actually thought season 1 was a little less run and gun and more about the mystery and the undergroundness of it all. There weren't really the horror-y vibes of the Red 17 episode or anything like that, it felt like season 2 was missing a tiny bit of that gruesome aspect that really added to season 1 but I felt like the tone of season 2 was a little more gun-happy than season 1. I preferred the tone of season 1 but I didn't dislike season 2 at all.
Finale was definitely the best episode of the season. A little sad that the budget went all in here which made the first few episodes feel a little tacky but now that I see the full result it was probably worth it.
No way is Johnny leaving the show. I think they introduced Clara at the first episode to kind of get a read on fan reaction to her and then included her in the finale in a way that easily allows her to be included more in s3 or ignored depending on fan reaction. I for one loved her and think she added a really good dynamic to the crew. Would be more than happy to see more of her moving forward.
I don't mind the us vs them as long as the scope is kept kind of similar, or if they really change the dynamic of the show to compensate. I would really truly love if they expanded the main cast next season to include some of Pree, Alvis, Fancy and Clara. Dutch and co are fighting a war now and they need troops. I would be happy to see these people become more of a crew.
The green goo plotline was a little on the nose I think, it wasn't subtle at all. It was very blunt, but that's kind of Killjoys MO, they're a blunt team and they handle things head on. Part of why I think the main cast needs expanding is to provide some alternate viewpoints. Dutch is still the leader but a good leader needs to assess all the options and I think Dutch being the "I'm in charge, I decide" type has to stop working eventually.
Either way, very happy with season 2. I still think Season 1 was better, but we're heading in a direction I really like and with Khlyen, Delle Seyah (maybe?) and Pawter storylines all resolved/resolving it really feels like we're about to move on.
tearsintherain
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Absolutely fantastic finale, they really went balls deep into space opera territory ala Farscape, B5, and the Dominion Wars of DS9. I love how it nicely wraps up all the mystery stuff from the past two seasons. It sorta felt like where the X-Files wanted to go with its alien goo mysteries but this one actually made sense and was wrapped up fairly quickly.
I wonder if the goo works like ants, with multiple colonies and queens and stuff or if its a single entity, galaxy wide. Its a common sci fi theme to have a hive mind enemy that uses humans as fodder for expansion, but it was done well enough here to be interesting. It seems to work with a basic agenda of infinite expansion, but otherwise the host makes all the decisions.
Here's hoping for a great season 3.
I wonder if the goo works like ants, with multiple colonies and queens and stuff or if its a single entity, galaxy wide. Its a common sci fi theme to have a hive mind enemy that uses humans as fodder for expansion, but it was done well enough here to be interesting. It seems to work with a basic agenda of infinite expansion, but otherwise the host makes all the decisions.
Here's hoping for a great season 3.
eyeball_kid
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True, there was some mystery in Season 1, but more of the stories were self-contained and focused on individual warrant missions infiltrate, use cool tech and combat to deal with situations, and get out with the warrant complete. Season 2 didn't have much of that format except for the finale, so that's what I meant by the run-and-gun. I kind of missed that team-based mission format, and with the alien invasion becoming the likely focus of Season 3, I doubt we'll see any warrant missions again. Especially if Johnny has left the team for good.
Speaking of Johnny, I felt like the writers hand-waved away the fallout from Pawter's death. One five-minute conversation with Dutch and he was back to business. It felt like they pushed aside his emotional state in order to keep the plot moving, basically trying to fit too much into one episode. Regarding leaving, I do really like Clara, but Johnny running off with her almost feels like a spin-off show. I'm not sure how that's supposed to play out next season, other than Dutch calling in favors from the tech duo every few episodes. Maybe that will work, but I don't know how they're going to replace his personality component on the main team. Fancy is funny in a deadpan way, but not the same type at all as Johnny. Pree is great and owns every scene he's in, but doesn't have the skills Johnny does.
It's funny, usually as viewers we're complaining about a show not taking risks, but with this show it's almost the opposite. Every time they establish a really good chemistry between some characters, it's not long before they blow it up.
One question I had with Khlyen, why did he tell Delle where the Killjoys were? I assume those Black Root ships were sent by her.
My only trepidation about entering big space opera territory is that they won't have the budget to pull it off. The writing, probably. The acting, definitely. But the budget needed to show a diversity of locations and special effects requirements? Unless SyFy plans to pump up their budget, I have reservations.
The only problem I had with the goo was the linked nature. Why did poisoning one vat of "pure" goo put poison in every bit of goo that descended from it? It seemed like more hand-waving to keep things moving. Ultimately I didn't dislike the goo plotline per se, but it didn't capture my interest, either. But at least they handled it more deftly than some shows have handled similar ideas.
tearsintherain
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I could be wrong on this but my understanding is that there are three factions in the Quad: Delle and the 9, normal humans, and the Hullen / sixes (RAC Hullen). The fourth faction is Analeesa, Khlyen's daughter, who is currently outside the system on her way in with a large Hullen invasion force.
The Black Roots are the enforcement arm of the Hullen, and are there just to keep the sixes in order. I don't think they report to Delle at all. Khlyen mentioned that Annaleesa had created a bread crumb trail to the tree as a trap, presumably when they opened the vault it triggered the alarm that sent the black root to the Bank. Later, when "Khylen" contacted Delle we find out it was actually Johnny faking it.
Delle and the 9 are just there to pacify the humans until the Hullen return in "10 generations" (now), with all the apparatus set up underneath towns to convert humans into Hullen via goo feeding. The wall system was presumably to weed out the weakest so only the strong will take on goo host duty.
They were a bit mysterious about it but suggested at the end Delle was making a private deal with Khlyen so she can "become immortal", whether that means becoming a Hullen or something else was kinda up in the air. If she wanted to become a Hullen I don't see why she needed Khlyen, she had access to the goo conversion station underneath Spring Hill since she was protected by Hullen monk bodyguards in the last episode. I don't think the RAC or the Black Root however report to her in any way.
Only thing I think would have been better is if they extended the timelines a bit, instead of 10 generations it should have been like 100, the sense that Khlyen has been at this for 2500 years is way more insane than just 200-300, plus it would reinforce the idea Annaleesa going to bring in bigger Hullen fleets is an insane idea that required thousands of years of travel.
Also unless they have publicly said Johnny is off the show dunno why people think they are separating for good. I'd expect the crew to be back together after 2-3 episodes next season.
eyeball_kid
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Ah okay, so the Khylen-Delle conversation we saw was actually Johnny's fake message...I didn't make that connection.
I guess the reason I thought Delle sent the Black Root is that I thought she was a Hullen. Probably because I was misreading the subtext, but after she was shot by Johnny she sat there with a smile on her face. I took that to mean she felt the pain of the shot, but faked being injured because she's actually a Hullen and didn't want to let Johnny know.
I don't think Johnny is off the show, but it seemed like the writers were taking him off the main team. If it ends up he's just having another martyr moment, that'll be annoying, especially since Dutch and him had a heart-to-heart a few scenes before where Dutch told him she had his back no matter what.
TDLink
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Yes. Already renewed.
I was reading the What Fall TV shows will you be watching? - 2016 Edition thread and I saw Aaron Ashmore (John) is in that new ABC show Conviction.
I was thinking to myself well he is definitely off the show if Conviction blows up. SyFy channel cant compete with prime time ABC money. Then I realized its his twin brother Shawn who is in that show.
anyway glad killjoys and dark matter are renewed. I hope Delle is not dead dead.
I was thinking to myself well he is definitely off the show if Conviction blows up. SyFy channel cant compete with prime time ABC money. Then I realized its his twin brother Shawn who is in that show.
anyway glad killjoys and dark matter are renewed. I hope Delle is not dead dead.
I know. It's pretty silly of her to walk around that area without any guards, unless she didn't want to know about her meeting with Kylyen.
Edit: Okay, I read the above posts about Johnny sending the fake message.
firehawk12
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So it went from bounty hunter adventures, to a conspiracy story, to now... Mass Effect. At least they're not resting on their laurels.
Also she would not be afraid walking around the area, she signed a treaty with old town literally pacifying them with the death of the hero Pawter like she planned. The general population of old town most likely are indifferent to her if not slightly positive of her presence. Those fake Scarbacks vouching for her also probably helped her image a lot too.
TheNatureBoy
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Show returns for season 3 June 30th
http://deadline.com/2017/04/syfy-su...ood-drive-sharknado-5-dark-matter-1202064496/
http://deadline.com/2017/04/syfy-su...ood-drive-sharknado-5-dark-matter-1202064496/
Looking forward to this too.
Season 2 didn't grab me at first but it got better toward the end.
Hopefully Season 3 is good.
eyeball_kid
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I'm very curious how they plan to tackle doing a giant space conflict on Killjoys' limited budget. Looking forward to it though!
June 9th
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1061887&page=4
Dark Matter, Killjoys and The Expanse are all filling in nicely for me right now.
spleenpoker
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Just caught up on season 2. Was an excellent watch.
Though I'm so confused about the timeline of events.
Khlyen says he disturbed an ancient darkness on Arkyn and Alvis puts that around 200 years ago when the scarbacks were last seen on Arkyn when they were fighting Aneela.
While the Collector said his homeworld was invaded by the Hullen around 400 years ago
Not to mention, Khlyen said "his people" brokered a deal with the Nine, 10 generations ago. Though I suppose it depends on how long you'd consider a generation
I suppose that means there were other Hullens around the galaxy waay before Khlyen?
Though I'm so confused about the timeline of events.
Khlyen says he disturbed an ancient darkness on Arkyn and Alvis puts that around 200 years ago when the scarbacks were last seen on Arkyn when they were fighting Aneela.
While the Collector said his homeworld was invaded by the Hullen around 400 years ago
Not to mention, Khlyen said "his people" brokered a deal with the Nine, 10 generations ago. Though I suppose it depends on how long you'd consider a generation
I suppose that means there were other Hullens around the galaxy waay before Khlyen?
TheNatureBoy
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Trailer for season 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2jIZ8nXXgQ
Dutch is really blowing up. She's in the Tomb Raider film, Ready Player One, and Ant-Man and the Wasp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2jIZ8nXXgQ
Dutch is really blowing up. She's in the Tomb Raider film, Ready Player One, and Ant-Man and the Wasp.
TheNatureBoy
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TheNatureBoy
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New trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-JbS-hPcy8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-JbS-hPcy8
TheNatureBoy
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eyeball_kid
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"If Tatiana Maslany can play multiple characters, so can I"
Seriously though, looking forward to this! Really interested to see how they're going to handle this new direction.
Seriously though, looking forward to this! Really interested to see how they're going to handle this new direction.
TheNatureBoy
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bump for the show coming back tonight.
Dutch is smoking hot. Hannah John-Kamen should be in all the things.
TheNatureBoy
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Don't know if anybody else watched the premiere, but I enjoyed it. It moved with a real energy with Dutch going hard against the Hullen. Also liked the aspect of Johnny meeting a new Hackmod friend.
firehawk12
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It's funny how refreshing Killjoys is compared to Dark Matter. The actual sets, the cast, the world itself. I mean right now they're both about crews trying to stop the galaxy from being destroyed, but they couldn't be any more different.
tearsintherain
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Yup, this show is head and shoulders above dark matter for me now, which I still like but I LOVE Killjoys. Liked all the new characters, and the cheesy one liners kept rolling out throughout the entire episode and I loved em. Big props to the writing team for some fantastic world building and character scenes.
Uh Oh, where's your FACE?
Uh Oh, where's your FACE?
TheNatureBoy
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I do wish the show was available on Netflix in the U.S. like Dark Matter is, so more people could discover it.
eyeball_kid
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Is no one doing a Season 3 OT?
I thought it was an interesting and overall good premiere. I still don't like Johnny split up from the team, but his new sidekick seems cool. Pree (the bartender) still seems out of place in the anti-Hullen gang, but Fancy is a good fit. CG seemed uneven; some shots were low-budget, but a few things were really nice. Humor also felt a bit off, but maybe it's because Johnny and Dutch always played off each other well.
I thought it was an interesting and overall good premiere. I still don't like Johnny split up from the team, but his new sidekick seems cool. Pree (the bartender) still seems out of place in the anti-Hullen gang, but Fancy is a good fit. CG seemed uneven; some shots were low-budget, but a few things were really nice. Humor also felt a bit off, but maybe it's because Johnny and Dutch always played off each other well.
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