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World of Warcraft |OT9| People still play this? Isn't it from 2004

Nokterian

Member
Affliction is okay at the moment. The other two specs definitely need work.

Demo sort of fulfills the fantasy, but is terrible to play.

Destro doesn't fulfill the fantasy, and is mediocre to play.

Affliction is okay yeah true that, but even with the changes in with destro in this patch. It doesn't hold up to other classes.
 

Anoregon

The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
The destro changes didn't help that much? That sucks. I was looking forward to checking that out when I resub shortly.
 
The destro changes didn't help that much? That sucks. I was looking forward to checking that out when I resub shortly.

It's certainly better but it's still on Soul Shards in Legion which I don't like as much for the spec as embers in previous expansions.

Affliction is WAY, WAY better without having the shitty Soul Effigy talent.
 

Data West

coaches in the WNBA
Remember when they ruined Nathanos in Legion?

It wasn't enough to make him use the shitty human model instead but to make him a moody teenage lovestruck edgelord
 
That feeling of relief:

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Prydaz, Archdruid ring, Skysec and Fury of Nature left. Going to keep loot spec as Guardian just to fill out the spec but I won't feel wary of switching it to Balance to look for specific trinkets or relics anymore.

I think this is the first legendary that's dropped from LFR for me. 25-26ish total across my characters.
 

Nokterian

Member
That feeling of relief:



Prydaz, Archdruid ring, Skysec and Fury of Nature left. Going to keep loot spec as Guardian just to fill out the spec but I won't feel wary of switching it to Balance to look for specific trinkets or relics anymore.

I think this is the first legendary that's dropped from LFR for me. 25-26ish total across my characters.

Man, i need those so bad and so i can finally do Mage Tower challenge, current ilevel is 907.
 

Tarazet

Member
For as much as people charge for crafted plate, it certainly seems to be the easiest stuff to farm up now. Just get a tank class hooked up with some Demonsteel Stirrups and you can farm all the mats you need to craft a full set in 6-8 hours, other than the other-profession stuff (which the other crafts have to deal with too). Make all the bars you can and mail the excess leystone to a JC to prospect.
 
For as much as people charge for crafted plate, it certainly seems to be the easiest stuff to farm up now. Just get a tank class hooked up with some Demonsteel Stirrups and you can farm all the mats you need to craft a full set in 6-8 hours, other than the other-profession stuff (which the other crafts have to deal with too). Make all the bars you can and mail the excess leystone to a JC to prospect.

I feel like it would take that much time simply crafting the demonsteel bars necessary.
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
If you buy gametime with gold, does it equally take money from all your chars or does it empty out one by one until its enough?
 

Lain

Member
I'd imagine you'd need to have the 220k on the character you want to buy the token with. No idea though as I never bought a token with gold.
 

iFirez

Member
I starting playing WoW back in late 2006, a month or so before TBC. I played for a few months while TBC launched and explored Outland on release... then I quit, cold turkey. Around the time Cata came out a friend and I levelled new chars to 50 or so and then again quit. It wasn't until sometime after MoP came out that I came back but only to level a Panda through starting and then I quit again. Early last year before Legion, I popped back in but again it didn't grab me. -- As you can see I have a long but not very long lasting history with WoW.

This weekend I decided to jump back in, new Char and experience all that Legion has to offer. I've levelled to 46 in 2 days now and am really enjoying it, it seems quicker and more streamlined than I remember it - but maybe thats just because I started at the human starting zone which I haven't touched since Vanilla. I know all this early content I'm playing was revamped in Cata so it isn't Legion's doing but it does feel great. I've never levelled a character much further than 60 so I'm really trying to stick with this. One thing thats helped me not get stagnated is to move on as soon as my level is above that areas suggested levels. It does mean I'm not finishing all quests but it also means I'm not stuck in one areas bleak, dark setting if I don't like it for too long. I'm also queuing for dungeons constantly, helping bolster levels quickly. I'm in Thousand Needles right now (holy crap has this place changed) and will likely leave this area tonight into a 50 zone. The Adventurer's Log (is that what its called?) is super useful for noobies and returning players purely because it can give you those Hero's Call quests and really helps push you from one area to another. Oh, and I'm not a PvP guy (PvE servers for me) but a Tauren challenged me to a duel last night and I won, which was a rush. I typed /bow to finish the duel and went off running to my next quest objective.

I've heard a lot of mixed things about some of the higher level content and I've never ever even seen places like Dalaran, Shattrath, Northrend or any of the big locations from expansions after TBC. I'm pretty excited to explore the world because its amazing and I've always loved Warcraft lore but never had the time to focus on the gameplay which I am doing this time. Oh and from Legion, I'm super excited to get an Artifact and the next patch with Argus sounds awesome. I've never even raided in WoW as even in Vanilla I wasn't interested and I'm not the most social of people, but maybe one day I could raid and I guess I have the group finder to help me with that. I also got a tad addicted to Pet Battles on Saturday night which slowed my levelling far too much, I need to leave my Pet addiction behind until I'm at max level I think.
 

Syf

Banned
I starting playing WoW back in late 2006, a month or so before TBC. I played for a few months while TBC launched and explored Outland on release... then I quit, cold turkey. Around the time Cata came out a friend and I levelled new chars to 50 or so and then again quit. It wasn't until sometime after MoP came out that I came back but only to level a Panda through starting and then I quit again. Early last year before Legion, I popped back in but again it didn't grab me. -- As you can see I have a long but not very long lasting history with WoW.

This weekend I decided to jump back in, new Char and experience all that Legion has to offer. I've levelled to 46 in 2 days now and am really enjoying it, it seems quicker and more streamlined than I remember it - but maybe thats just because I started at the human starting zone which I haven't touched since Vanilla. I know all this early content I'm playing was revamped in Cata so it isn't Legion's doing but it does feel great. I've never levelled a character much further than 60 so I'm really trying to stick with this. One thing thats helped me not get stagnated is to move on as soon as my level is above that areas suggested levels. It does mean I'm not finishing all quests but it also means I'm not stuck in one areas bleak, dark setting if I don't like it for too long. I'm also queuing for dungeons constantly, helping bolster levels quickly. I'm in Thousand Needles right now (holy crap has this place changed) and will likely leave this area tonight into a 50 zone. The Adventurer's Log (is that what its called?) is super useful for noobies and returning players purely because it can give you those Hero's Call quests and really helps push you from one area to another. Oh, and I'm not a PvP guy (PvE servers for me) but a Tauren challenged me to a duel last night and I won, which was a rush. I typed /bow to finish the duel and went off running to my next quest objective.

I've heard a lot of mixed things about some of the higher level content and I've never ever even seen places like Dalaran, Shattrath, Northrend or any of the big locations from expansions after TBC. I'm pretty excited to explore the world because its amazing and I've always loved Warcraft lore but never had the time to focus on the gameplay which I am doing this time. Oh and from Legion, I'm super excited to get an Artifact and the next patch with Argus sounds awesome. I've never even raided in WoW as even in Vanilla I wasn't interested and I'm not the most social of people, but maybe one day I could raid and I guess I have the group finder to help me with that. I also got a tad addicted to Pet Battles on Saturday night which slowed my levelling far too much, I need to leave my Pet addiction behind until I'm at max level I think.
WoD and Legion will be a step above anything else you've seen in WoW then. They greatly improved the questing, making you feel more involved with the storylines. Legion's biggest problem is the randomness of legendary drops, but overall I think it's one of the best expansions the game has had. The raids and dungeons are excellent and I'm sure you'll enjoy seeing them being a fan of the lore; if you aren't interested in being social with them, just use LFR. There's a couple of pet dungeons in Legion too if you want to keep going with those. Unfortunately you're about to enter what is now the oldest and most grindy questing in the game, Outland. Move on to Northrend as soon as you can (I think it's 68).
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
I'd imagine you'd need to have the 220k on the character you want to buy the token with. No idea though as I never bought a token with gold.

damn 220k gold? I only have like 300k between everyone, I dont want to be broke :(

Real money it is then

edit: 40 artifact done, that sure helps other chars. Now to finish flying, stupid broken shore WQs wont pop, need 4 more to continue the quest
 

iFirez

Member
WoD and Legion will be a step above anything else you've seen in WoW then. They greatly improved the questing, making you feel more involved with the storylines. Legion's biggest problem is the randomness of legendary drops, but overall I think it's one of the best expansions the game has had. The raids and dungeons are excellent and I'm sure you'll enjoy seeing them being a fan of the lore; if you aren't interested in being social with them, just use LFR. There's a couple of pet dungeons in Legion too if you want to keep going with those. Unfortunately you're about to enter what is now the oldest and most grindy questing in the game, Outland. Move on to Northrend as soon as you can (I think it's 68).
Thanks. I plan to try to get to Northrend as quickly as I can... I'm just making a detour right now to go find a pet that I want (I'm a BM Hunter... no surprise as I mostly enjoy Solo PvE).
 

Lain

Member
WoD and Legion will be a step above anything else you've seen in WoW then. They greatly improved the questing, making you feel more involved with the storylines. Legion's biggest problem is the randomness of legendary drops, but overall I think it's one of the best expansions the game has had. The raids and dungeons are excellent and I'm sure you'll enjoy seeing them being a fan of the lore; if you aren't interested in being social with them, just use LFR. There's a couple of pet dungeons in Legion too if you want to keep going with those. Unfortunately you're about to enter what is now the oldest and most grindy questing in the game, Outland. Move on to Northrend as soon as you can (I think it's 68).

I still think MoP is a step above both what came prior and what came after. The best outdoor zones (Kun-lai Summit is the greatest WoW zone for me, those snowy mountains are just perfect), cool questing, damn cool dungeons and raids.
 
Legion questing has been fun. I haven't got into the main story much yet (class stuff is good), but it's solid overall. I'm trying not to exaggerate, but escorts and pets in general still feel broken now. They stand right on top of you. This last escort I did, I had to spin the camera all sorts of ways just to loot, and not click on his fat ass.
 
If you buy gametime with gold, does it equally take money from all your chars or does it empty out one by one until its enough?
I know that if you do it from the character selection screen it will take money from all of your characters on that realm.

I'm not so sure about the in-game AH version though.
 

Lain

Member
Decided to start the Strom questline on my Alliance character since she just dinged 109 through invasions, so I might as well try to get to 110 is what I told myself.
The only thing I managed to do though is going back and forth between loading screens and even got kicked out of the game, because there is some sort of bug since patch 7.0.1 that has never been fixed.
Ahah. Why can't I murder Greymane since I'm forced to stare at him because this scenario won't start.
 

Rambaldi

Member
This is a sorta weird question and I don't know if I'm phrasing it well but: do we have an "official" reason as to why Warlords ended up being so bad? Like, did they just give up after beta thinking "well we just don't have the content to stretch this setting/story out" or did they see the endgame fizzling and player response so they just moved on ASAP?

And I'm looking for actual insight if possible. None of that "lol Blizz is lazy/sucks etc." I'm genuinely curious as to why this expansion ended up being such a (Grimrail) train wreck.
 

TheYanger

Member
This is a sorta weird question and I don't know if I'm phrasing it well but: do we have an "official" reason as to why Warlords ended up being so bad? Like, did they just give up after beta thinking "well we just don't have the content to stretch this setting/story out" or did they see the endgame fizzling and player response so they just moved on ASAP?

And I'm looking for actual insight if possible. None of that "lol Blizz is lazy/sucks etc." I'm genuinely curious as to why this expansion ended up being such a (Grimrail) train wreck.

I thought they had stated somewhere but maybe I'm just thinking of scuttlebutt I'd heard. Largely due to lots of transitioning between the old guard and the new and that really slowing down the content creation pipeline while people came to grips with things. I'd say the pacing of legion shows that it's working out ok now.
 

erawsd

Member
This is a sorta weird question and I don't know if I'm phrasing it well but: do we have an "official" reason as to why Warlords ended up being so bad? Like, did they just give up after beta thinking "well we just don't have the content to stretch this setting/story out" or did they see the endgame fizzling and player response so they just moved on ASAP?

And I'm looking for actual insight if possible. None of that "lol Blizz is lazy/sucks etc." I'm genuinely curious as to why this expansion ended up being such a (Grimrail) train wreck.

Basically, they expected to have finished Legion much sooner than they did. "Yearly expansions" has forever been a meme but in this case they actually beefed up the size of the development team and began working on WoD and Legion simultaneously, and thought they could finally do it. Ultimately, they ran into a number of issues -- I think one example they gave was that training all the new staff took more time than they expected. They claim that they've totally given up on the idea of getting expansions out faster.
 

Anoregon

The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Basically, they expected to have finished Legion much sooner than they did. "Yearly expansions" has forever been a meme but in this case they actually beefed up the size of the development team and began working on WoD and Legion simultaneously, and thought they could finally do it. Ultimately, they ran into a number of issues -- I think one example they gave was that training all the new staff took more time than they expected. They claim that they've totally given up on the idea of getting expansions out faster.

Which is odd, given the relative break-neck pace of Legion. 7.3 Is certainly looking to be the final patch from a story perspective, which means we will very likely be "done" with Legion before it has been out for a year (and before this year's Blizzcon, where a next xpac reveal could happen).
 

Rokal

Member
Which is odd, given the relative break-neck pace of Legion. 7.3 Is certainly looking to be the final patch from a story perspective, which means we will very likely be "done" with Legion before it has been out for a year (and before this year's Blizzcon, where a next xpac reveal could happen).

I wouldn't assume 7.3 will be out that quickly. Tomb of Sargeras PTR data started coming out right around the time Nighthold opened (January 2017). It was still a good 5 months before it arrived to replace Nighthold.

Legion's Anniversary is in August, so if you expect another ~5-6 months of ToS we'll be looking at a December or January release for Argus/7.3. If they hit the "standard" expansion lifespan of ~2 years, which it sounded like was what they were planning on this time, 7.3 will remain the final legion raid for ~6-7 months: much better than the 12+months they left Hellfire Citadel and Siege of Orgrimmar.

It's almost the perfect expansion/patch cadence, IMO. If you raid in 7.3/Argus for the ~4-5 months each raid tier has been lasting before getting bored and starting to think about unsubbing, you'd only be a couple months away from the next expansion. It'd be a nice natural break for most raiders, but not long enough between it and the next expac to hurt Blizzard's retention.
 

erawsd

Member
I wouldn't assume 7.3 will be out that quickly. Tomb of Sargeras PTR data started coming out right around the time Nighthold opened (January 2017). It was still a good 5 months before it arrived to replace Nighthold.

Legion's Anniversary is in August, so if you expect another ~5-6 months of ToS we'll be looking at a December or January release for Argus/7.3. If they hit the "standard" expansion lifespan of ~2 years, which it sounded like was what they were planning on this time, 7.3 will remain the final legion raid for ~6-7 months: much better than the 12+months they left Hellfire Citadel and Siege of Orgrimmar.

It's almost the perfect expansion/patch cadence, IMO. If you raid in 7.3/Argus for the ~4-5 months each raid tier has been lasting before getting bored and starting to think about unsubbing, you'd only be a couple months away from the next expansion. It'd be a nice natural break for most raiders, but not long enough between it and the next expac to hurt Blizzard's retention.

Yeah, although 7.3 is likely coming much sooner than that and 7.3.5 will launch later with the raid. The patch cycle for this expansion has pretty much been 10-11 weeks, so if they keep that up we'll probably get 7.3/Argus late August and 7.3.5/Burning Throne raid in November.
 

iirate

Member

I finished my brewmaster challenge today! I did the windwalker one the first time the tower went up, and I'm hoping to complete the mistweaver challenge tomorrow. The first two challenges were very satisfying to complete, but I don't think I'll be attempting them on any alts.
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
woop Apex Predator Claw from the contribution box thingie, first legendary on the hunter :)

its a good thing too to cheer me up because this fucking broken shore questline is draining my soul, now I have to kill 100 demons in azsuna and ive been told ater that its 100 demons again in BS lol.

Its easy enough dont get me wrong, go to a place with guards or something like the starting zone in azsuna, its just a silly busywork quest.
 
I finished my brewmaster challenge today! I did the windwalker one the first time the tower went up, and I'm hoping to complete the mistweaver challenge tomorrow. The first two challenges were very satisfying to complete, but I don't think I'll be attempting them on any alts.

Grats! I hope to be able to complete the Brewmaster and Windwalker challenges myself one day.
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
got flying, big step is making other chars more enjoyable (along with 40 artfiact knowledge which I got yesterday) and just got my hunter mount.

Now, can I be arsed to do all that shit again on other chars for their mounts? :/

I was super disapointed when I saw the Paladin mount in the wild and it doesnt even sprout energy wings or something, it just runs in the air and I hate that shit. I assume the Monk tiger is the same then? Thats awful.

edit: huh Balance druids dont have that moon/sun gimmick anymore?
 

Anoregon

The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
woop Apex Predator Claw from the contribution box thingie, first legendary on the hunter :)

its a good thing too to cheer me up because this fucking broken shore questline is draining my soul, now I have to kill 100 demons in azsuna and ive been told ater that its 100 demons again in BS lol.

Its easy enough dont get me wrong, go to a place with guards or something like the starting zone in azsuna, its just a silly busywork quest.

The 100 demons in BS quest is super easy. There's that little island off the west coast with the constantly spawning low HP imps you AoE down.
I actually just did it last night on my shaman and got my wind ele mount.
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
The 100 demons in BS quest is super easy. There's that little island off the west coast with the constantly spawning low HP imps you AoE down.
I actually just did it last night on my shaman and got my wind ele mount.

yeah it was. Im actually doing the mount quest with my druid now and its going much faster. Sentinax was fast again with the group finder, and I lucked out and theres 8 broken shore WQs up for the 12 I need. This step and then the garrison mission are pretty much the only ones you have forced waiting (yes I know it was much worse before)
 

Jag

Member
woop Apex Predator Claw from the contribution box thingie, first legendary on the hunter :)


Grats, but it resets and messes with your pet bars and stuff when you equip and unequip it. Check to make sure it doesn't turn growl on too.

yeah it was. Im actually doing the mount quest with my druid now and its going much faster. Sentinax was fast again with the group finder, and I lucked out and theres 8 broken shore WQs up for the 12 I need. This step and then the garrison mission are pretty much the only ones you have forced waiting (yes I know it was much worse before)

You can start a Broken Shore mission before you get to that step and complete after you get the quest for an insta-complete.
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
Grats, but it resets and messes with your pet bars and stuff when you equip and unequip it. Check to make sure it doesn't turn growl on too.

You can start a Broken Shore mission before you get to that step and complete after you get the quest for an insta-complete.

ring is a non issue, I literally only play beast mastery on the hunter.

the other is a nice tip, unfortunaly I only have one broken shore garrison quest up on the druid and its a 900 one and my guys are 850 :/

need to wait for a green quest like I had on my hunter
 
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