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I tried to play Horizon after Zelda, and the lack of motion control aiming upset me
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James Scott
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Have you tried gyro aiming on something like OoT3D or any of the modern Zelda re-releases?
Not sure there are any examples on PS4. Anything you've tried?
Oh, yeah.
The demo for 2 didn't use it too well tho I heard That was an older build
The Switch doesn't support WiiMotes so it obviously won't have the same control scheme.
The type of gyro aiming discussed here is a completely different tech and entirely different control scheme from the pointer controls in the Prime Trilogy. Using the term motion controls to describe anything that isn't a button press is very reductive.
Jonneh3003
Banned
This couldn't be more true. I'll never understand the aggression towards motion controls, especially gyro aiming. All these "I instantly turned it off" comments sound like people afraid to try something new. You might even like it!
BurritoBushido
Member
I wonder what percentage of motion haters were just burned by the Wii. I'm not accusing people here of this, but I can't help but feel like a lot of people just got a bad first impression of motion and unless its in VR they completely disregard without giving it a fair shake.
edit: no pun intended
edit: no pun intended
Jonneh3003
Banned
It's baffling it isn't. I thought Splatoon would have opened the floodgates for gyro controls but it still only appears to be Nintendo using it as a standard.
The right joycon's camera + a way to emulate the sensor bar (like an accessory with two infra LEDs), and it just might be able to use the same control scheme. I wouldn't mind.
Go on?
James Scott
Banned
I don't think the Joy con's IR will be used.
It's on the bottom of a controller.
World of Goo devs tried to emulate pointer using gyro. Not perfect but can get close
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVPXKdSEGNQ
Ibviously you would have to hold the controller with the camera facing forwards. I've tried it (holding it that way), and it seems possible.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
there's just two things wrong with that idea
the right joycon's camera has a much much shorter range than the Wii Remote's
and good luck firing a weapon holding the right joy-con upside down
Jonneh3003
Banned
The joycon's IR camera isn't for pointing though, it faces the player.
What is wrong with them offering the option to those that do like it though? Since you can just disable it, it would literally not change a single thing for you while it makes the game much better for the people that do like it. I can't understand how you can be against having it as an option.
Level design and how static and scripted the world is in horizon pretty much blows in comparison to Zelda, which is more like old pc games in how the world works rather than the ultra scripted Ubisoft model horizon follows.
I got like 8 hours into horizon before getting bored and uninstalling it. It's just another generic open world game, albeit a pretty one for sure.
lucius
Member
I like the motion aiming in Breath of the Wild but it's far from perfect, you still need to use the stick in combo with it most of the time so it can feel a bit off. The bow combat in Horizon is maybe one best bow games ever so I not sure where that's coming from, yes Breath of the Wild is maybe a masterpiece in gaming.
Refreshment.01
Member
Motion Aiming has been a more accurate way to aim, interestingly enough specially for archery, since Twilight Princess in 2006 and Wii Sports Resort with Gyro aiming in 2008 (E3).
Twilight Princess implementation was very interesting because it allowed camera control both with the stick and the pointer. It was template to work up until the type of motion aiming we have today, altough sadly now a days is more relative than absolute due to using a gyro instead of an image sensor.
Lol, yes that might be technically possible, but no way is that happening, and certainly not for a first person shooter like Metroid Prime, since gyro aiming generally works much better and is more intuitive
Jonneh3003
Banned
The idea of motion offends them for some reason
Huge Succeeded
Banned
I hate this shitpost so much that I'm just gonna copy and paste two relevant responses I've already made in the last thread someone made this post in
The Pet of the Month
Member
I played games on my Wii with no issue, matter of fact I'd prefer to have a sensor bar to point at as opposed to figuring out whether the game does gyro controls right.
Some games did this great, I had no issues with gyro in Gravity Rush, Mario Kart 7, Heavenly Sword, etc.
Some games just don't do them right.
Edit: Wanted to mention that I also love full motion games like D4, shame we won't be getting experiences like that anymore.
Equanimity
Member
Yeah I guess motion controls can be a plus for some people.
The first thing I do in any traditional game with motion controls is to turn them off.
The same reason why people are against iterative consoles like PS4 Pro and Xbox One X. They don't like options.
The first thing I do in any traditional game with motion controls is to turn them off.
The same reason why people are against iterative consoles like PS4 Pro and Xbox One X. They don't like options.
This happened to me a few times. All you have to do is go to the system settings and recalibrate the motion controls for the Right Joy-Con.
source on the range?
And if they went so far as to actually release a sensor bar alternative, I could see them also packing in a shell for the right joycon so that using it upside down would be more natural. Wouldn't be the first time they've done something like that.
There's the drift issues that gyro has, IR on the other hand is stuck anytime the camera loses sight of the tracking points. I always liked how snappy the IR was, and my first time with gyro in Motion+ felt like a step back.
I'm not sure if the technology is far enough to make gyro accurate enough after extended use without recalibration. Even in BOTW there are the occasional drifts as I said, and in that game I don't use it that often (although, wait, they would technically get used even when I'm not using them in game, right?)
yurinka
Member
Same here. It's better to use analogs.
Sony had gyro aiming for both Uncharfed and Killzone on the Vita, while I never played Killzone I remember it being helpful for uncharted. I am surprised it never made its way onto consoles though, the slight moving of the reticle via gyro combined with larger movements of the analogue worked really well together.
Why is it a shitpost? In reply to "A lot of things in horizon feel sub par after playing Zelda." followed by a "Go on?" I thought the video shows some things which some people might feel they are subpar in Horizon in comparison. Those posts you pasted there make sense but they don't really make the lack of attention to detail any less real.
Tallshortman
Member
Why would it be outdated if almost no games support it? The PS4/Xbox games that support it are few and far in between.
The IR is great for pointing on things at the screen, like a cursor or lightgun games, it's not that great for rotating the camera like a traditional fps with fast movements
Huge Succeeded
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Alright, I'll rephrase my original statement for fairness' sake:
I hate it when that video is posted as though it's the unbiased 'details comparison' that its title makes it out to be. This is coming from someone whose GOTY is still very much Zelda (or PUBG), mind you.
I'm sorry for calling it a shitpost. That was a kneejerk reaction stemming from seeing that video posted in inappropriate, bad-faith contexts, constantly.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
It's a motion-depth IR camera. It's not meant to have the range of something like the Wii Remote's IR sensor - it's instead supposed to accurately identify shapes and motion without the use of LEDs within a tight range.
also, I'm holding a red Joy-Con upside-down right now, and... that'd have to be some shell, lol.
Yeah I wasn't trying to imply that the Switch has that capability, I'm well aware of the gyro aiming we're talking about here as evidence by my earlier post in the thread, I was just trying to express my hope that we get options. I'm sure MP4 will have some kind of gyro functionality, I just hope whether it's like Zelda or Splatoon that it's adjustable and optional, unlike the Trilogy which could have worked perfectly fine with a Pro controller to give a standard option but never supported it.
I never used the term motion controls in regards to the Trilogy, and didn't intend to be reductive at all. Also, sorry if this response sounds standoffish, I don't mean it that way.
Edit: Ugh those details comparison videos again? Those completely ignore the intentions of the developers of both games and once again comparing those two games in such a way is a disservice to them both.
BigEmil
Junior Member
I'm not interested in buying Horizon ZD anymore after watching this not joking wow Guerrilla Games put no care into their game no little details ...
There a second part too yikes
https://youtu.be/qEGWtyJAkO0
Just no. Stop talking about things you never tried or don't know anything about.
Bobo Dakes
Member
So yeah ... everyone has different preferences and play styles. And options are a good thing.
Your loss. The gyro aiming is fantastic.
Hint: you use the stick for large movements and the gyro for fine adjustments.
Horizon is about the story and the robot combat, don't let those videos deter you
Zelda's emphasis is on its large living breathing world
different priorities, different games
I don't believe he has even tried motion aiming in BOTW because some of the things he says are just factually incorrect and highly suspect.
As per OP, I am in the same boat. Playing Nier Automata at the moment and lack of motion control while third person perspective makes some of the encounters extremely tedious and drawn out. One of the things the WiiU got right was the motion aiming with the gamepad. I knew it was a good game mechanic when I tried it in NintendoLand. It felt like a natural extension of the gameplay mechanic, immersing the player in the world more so than rumble or touchscreen ever did.
Weltall Zero
Member
I really can't describe it any other way. I'm relatively skeptical of motion controls in general but BotW ruined aiming in every other controller game for me.
Most of your post is debatable, being generous, but there's no way you've tried BotW gyro aiming and can say this with a straight face. It's one thing to dislike it, but saying it's less accurate is plain old lying.
I haven't really looked into how the IR stuff on the Switch works that much, and obviously it's not meant to be used like the Wiimotes, but technically a camera doesn't really have a 'range'. The light from the IR leds in the joycon may not reach far, but the camera should still pick up a brightly shining Wii Sensor Bar
Imp the Dimp
Member
Wow people use that? I turned it off day 1.
Weltall Zero
Member
I love all the people in the thread puffing their chests about not even trying. There's a good reason why pretty much nobody is saying "I tried them for a few days, but still prefer analog sticks".
I am being to think many Nintendo fans just look act games differently. Sure some things are not as good as zelda but honestly after playing both I would say exploration and traversal are probably the only things I would say are sub par in horizon. I would say puzzles buy horizon a rely tries at that.
Story, combat, performance, graphics are far from sub par and I would go as far to say make botw feel subpar.
ughkingdom
Member
Sniping in KZ2 with that slight amount of motion control added to the aiming was perfect to me. It allowed for natural, small adjustments to your aim that really made all the difference. So I feel you.
Wow the comments are like the Tunisian salt lakes!
Some of them simply couldn't accept that small details and interactivity simply weren't the horizon dev team's focus.
This...the only time I used the gyro in BotW was when I was forced to in a couple of those shrines.
Always-honest
Banned
Oh i agree that would make Horizon 10 x cooler.
It's already a really amazing game. But much more interaction and physics with the world would be amazing for the next one.