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[Royal_Phalanx]

People getting to the point where they are desperate enough to pay people smugglers to get them to Europe because life in their countries is so damn awful is a pretty sad thing, because nobody should have to do that. I get the feeling people here posting about economic migrants are forgetting that these are fellow human beings as well, and it is a very human thing to seek a better life for yourselves and your family. Remember that you are very fortunate to be born in Europe (and yes, it is luck of the draw, you yourself didn't earn the right to live in Europe).

The solution here I feel is to build EU and UN funded refugee camps in Libya itself with decent living standards, and do processing there. And also give significant aid to countries that produce these migrants so they can improve their living standards meaning less people will feel compelled to make the journey. Making a terrible country a good place to live is easier said than done though, they're shitty for a reason (mostly corruption and terrible governance).

 

[ReplacementPelican]

Just because they accepted funding from Persia doesn't mean they joined war with them against Athens. Right after they won the Peloponnesian war they went to war with Persia, so?

Point being it seems glib to assume the banner of people who weren't exactly in a virtuous war against foreign invaders and were just as happy to accept help from them when it benefited closer to home.

I mean, the implication of the symbol is just that, isn't it? That they're going to fight foreign - middle eastern - invaders. Its a stupid symbol to take up if that's your aim and I doubt that - if pushed - they'd be able to argue their point beyond an understanding of a film adaptation of a comic book.

Do you disagree with this assessment?

 

[Tacitus_]

Yeah, once they're on the water you obviously have to help, no question about that. It's a difficult problem to solve especially with EU countries not being all that willing to properly split up the immigrants among them.

Because that's working splendidly

Of 349 asylum seekers taken in by Lithuania, 248 left as soon as they had received official refugee status, according to Robertas Mikulenas, director of a reception centre in Rukla, a small Lithuanian town.

"There are lots of Eritreans everywhere in Europe. They talk to one another. We all know that in Germany they give you an apartment and €400 (£350; $450) pocket money. But in Latvia they don't give us anything - just €139 a month," he told BBC Russian.

"Most of them couldn't survive here. They can't accept the difference [between incomes in Latvia and Germany]. Lots of them borrowed money to get to Europe and they need to pay it back," said Mekharena. He himself paid people smugglers $3,000.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40479224

 

[mclem]

C-Star?

Yes, they do sound like a bunch of c***s.

 

[Oersted]

Because that's working splendidly




http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40479224

Its 143 Euro pocket money in Germany and up to 360 if they are allowed to stay as refugee.

 

[Nere]

Point being it seems glib to assume the banner of people who weren't exactly in a virtuous war against foreign invaders and were just as happy to accept help from them when it benefited closer to home.

I mean, the implication of the symbol is just that, isn't it? That they're going to fight foreign - middle eastern - invaders. Its a stupid symbol to take up if that's your aim and I doubt that - if pushed - they'd be able to argue their point beyond an understanding of a film adaptation of a comic book.

Do you disagree with this assessment?

I disagree with the fact that history isn't as black and white as we think it is. Also people back then viewed things differently and we cannot comprehend their way of thinking because we live in a different world now. The biggest mistake you can make is to see people 2000 years ago through the way of life of a 21st century person and judge them based on your current life, it just isn't going to work and that is a trap many people fall in and judge older civilizations unfairly.

 

[Hierophant]

My family are "boat people", I feel extremely strongly about this issue and anyone who takes it upon themselves to turn back refugees fleeing to better lands deserves to be thrown out into the sea

To say someone doesn't deserve to have a better life because of them not having the good fortune to be born in a western country is fucking so vile

 

[Kill Your Masters]

People getting to the point where they are desperate enough to pay people smugglers to get them to Europe because life in their countries is so damn awful is a pretty sad thing, because nobody should have to do that. I get the feeling people here posting about economic migrants are forgetting that these are fellow human beings as well, and it is a very human thing to seek a better life for yourselves and your family. Remember that you are very fortunate to be born in Europe (and yes, it is luck of the draw, you yourself didn't earn the right to live in Europe).

The solution here I feel is to build EU and UN funded refugee camps in Libya itself with decent living standards, and do processing there. And also give significant aid to countries that produce these migrants so they can improve their living standards meaning less people will feel compelled to make the journey. Making a terrible country a good place to live is easier said than done though, they're shitty for a reason (mostly corruption and terrible governance).

You dehumanize them by calling them essentially freeloaders.

But if they just get 143 - 360 euros of free pocket money in Germany, thats pretty much nothing. Thats poverty line over here. Can't build a life or send money back on such a budget. Even if rooms are paid for. And no, they don't get apartments. Most landlords will never rent to refugees if they don't have to.

So they are stuck in refugee homes and camps. Which, again, is a whole bunch of nothing.

Somebody post that oreo gif of the three classes of people, that's esentially what is happening.

The middle class gets mad at the economic refugees freeloading while nobody looks at what the rich are doing anymore.

They talk to one another. We all know that in Germany they give you an apartment and €400 (£350; $450) pocket money

This is BS for example (thats probably fed to them from profit hungry smugglers), and even if it isn't, it's not a lot of money over here, and they don't get apartments, they are stuck in refugee homes and camps in conditions I don't wish anyone to live in.

 

[ReplacementPelican]

I disagree with the fact that history isn't as black and white as we think it is. Also people back then viewed things differently and we cannot comprehend their way of thinking because we live in a different world now. The biggest mistake you can make is to see people 2000 years ago through the way of life of a 21st century person and judge them based on your current life, it just isn't going to work and that is a trap many people fall in and judge older civilizations unfairly.

To that extent I'm not entirely sure how we disagree.

My entire point is really that they've fetishised the idea of 'Sparta vs Persia' and put it into their 21st century context about Muslim refugees. From that vantage its a very 'black and white view' however that's precisely why I mentioned their funding by Persia because its not 'black and white.'

I genuinely don't know how we're saying different things.

 

[kruis]

People getting to the point where they are desperate enough to pay people smugglers to get them to Europe because life in their countries is so damn awful is a pretty sad thing, because nobody should have to do that. I get the feeling people here posting about economic migrants are forgetting that these are fellow human beings as well, and it is a very human thing to seek a better life for yourselves and your family. Remember that you are very fortunate to be born in Europe (and yes, it is luck of the draw, you yourself didn't earn the right to live in Europe).

The solution here I feel is to build EU and UN funded refugee camps in Libya itself with decent living standards, and do processing there. And also give significant aid to countries that produce these migrants so they can improve their living standards meaning less people will feel compelled to make the journey. Making a terrible country a good place to live is easier said than done though, they're shitty for a reason (mostly corruption and terrible governance).

It doesn't really matter if you improve the living conditions in impoverished African and Asian countries because as long as one region remains richer it will attract people from poorer regions: eastern Europeans searching for jobs in western Europe, Albanians trying to seek asylum in the EU, etc etc.

The reality is that Europe can't accept hundreds of thousands of economic migrants who don't have the qualifications to be (or become) successful on the job market. The worst thing we could do is to give everyone who arrives at the gate a permanent resident status if we know from the start that the majority of those people will never get a job and will always cost money (free housing, free health care, free education, social security).

An alternative would be a Green Card lottery system where only select group taken from all high potential migrants would be accepted, something the US and Canada have been doing for decades. The unfortunate side effect of this system is that it deprive poor countries from it most skilled people.

In my view the best thing to do is to completely stop accepting asylum seekers, close existing loopholes for illegal immigration and send economic migrants from safe countries back. The EU should invest all of the funds that are now used for undeserving economic migrants to help people fleeing from war in their home region. And work to make the poorest countries in Africa and Asia more prosperous by removing economic trade barriers.

 

[EmiPrime]

I hope these fucking horrible cunts drown in the ocean holy shit what gives you the right to decide to send someone back to horror and war? Because due to some incredible stroke of luck you were born in Europe and not one of these War torn countries?
Eat my shit I would take a refugee any day over any of these white supremacist fuckers

This. I would trade all the white supremacist "identitarian" dickheads in Europe for refugees and their families in a heartbeat.

 

[kruis]

My family are "boat people", I feel extremely strongly about this issue and anyone who takes it upon themselves to turn back refugees fleeing to better lands deserves to be thrown out into the sea

To say someone doesn't deserve to have a better life because of them not having the good fortune to be born in a western country is fucking so vile

We're not talking about people fleeing war and starvation, we're talking about illegal immigrants who falsely claim asylum status. And Europe doesn't owe these people anything. Tough shit.

 

[Christhor]

This. I would trade all the white supremacist "identitarian" dickheads in Europe for refugees and their families in a heartbeat.

Then do it, you could bring one person from these countries into Europe by marrying them every three years. Do your part.

 

[suedester]

My family are "boat people", I feel extremely strongly about this issue and anyone who takes it upon themselves to turn back refugees fleeing to better lands deserves to be thrown out into the sea

To say someone doesn't deserve to have a better life because of them not having the good fortune to be born in a western country is fucking so vile

So should Europe just let anyone who wants to live there move on over? Do you think that would end well for anyone? These are economic migrants, they aren't seeking asylum.

 

[Souldriver]

I hope these fucking horrible cunts drown in the ocean holy shit what gives you the right to decide to send someone back to horror and war? Because due to some incredible stroke of luck you were born in Europe and not one of these War torn countries?
Eat my shit I would take a refugee any day over any of these white supremacist fuckers

What he said.

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

We're not talking about people fleeing war and starvation, we're talking about illegal immigrants who falsely claim asylum status. And Europe doesn't owe these people anything. Tough shit.

You must lack empathy then if that's your attitude. I may not want to let in false asylum seekers either but at least I think "yeah, I empathize with the motives for illegal migration". My parents came from a comparatively shitty country in SE Asia to the UK, and that's the only reason why I live in Europe today. If I wasn't so lucky then I probably wouldn't have the living standards I do now (even though I complain about how shit the UK is and I want to move to places like the Netherlands). You're speaking from a real position of privilege here. And you brought up not even taking in genuine asylum seekers in the first place. Your attitude is pretty terrible, to be honest.

 

[T.O.P]

We're not talking about people fleeing war and starvation, we're talking about illegal immigrants who falsely claim asylum status. And Europe doesn't owe these people anything. Tough shit.

People can't seem to understand or even aknowledge that in here

 

[His Majesty]

Why are right wing types (including ISIS) so obsessed with the Middle Ages?

Sparta in the Middle Ages...you need some history lessons my friend.

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

So should Europe just let anyone who wants to live there move on over? Do you think that would end well for anyone? These are economic migrants, they aren't seeking asylum.

If you don't want economic migrants, then make their home countries better places then. Only humane way to do it. In an ideal world borders shouldn't even be a thing. Ideally people should be able to live wherever they want. That's my view on things. Unfortunately this isn't an ideal world, and never will be. Ideally I'd like to let anyone in but that just isn't practical unfortunately. Also humanity isn't perfect and you'd let in people with pretty shitty views as well. Between Western developed countries only, yeah we can have open borders.

 

[Nere]

If you don't want economic migrants, then make their home countries better places then. Only humane way to do it. In an ideal world borders shouldn't even be a thing. Ideally people should be able to live wherever they want. That's my view on things. Unfortunately this isn't an ideal world, and never will be. Ideally I'd like to let anyone in but that just isn't practical unfortunately. Also humanity isn't perfect and you'd let in people with pretty shitty views as well. Between Western developed countries only, yeah we can have open borders.

So in essence you agree with what he says...

 

[suedester]

If you don't want economic migrants, then make their home countries better places then. Only humane way to do it. In an ideal world borders shouldn't even be a thing. Ideally people should be able to live wherever they want. That's my view on things. Unfortunately this isn't an ideal world, and never will be. Ideally I'd like to let anyone in but that just isn't practical unfortunately. Also humanity isn't perfect and you'd let in people with pretty shitty views as well. Between Western developed countries only, yeah we can have open borders.

I agree, making their home countries better is the answer. Of course, that is a lot easier to say than do.

 

[Chasm Skulker]

If you don't want economic migrants, then make their home countries better places then. Only humane way to do it. In an ideal world borders shouldn't even be a thing. Ideally people should be able to live wherever they want. That's my view on things. Unfortunately this isn't an ideal world, and never will be. Ideally I'd like to let anyone in but that just isn't practical unfortunately. Also humanity isn't perfect and you'd let in people with pretty shitty views as well. Between Western developed countries only, yeah we can have open borders.

"Make their home countries better" is a bit of an interesting take I have to say but you've pointed to the solution. If these people had a prosperous nation to call home with jobs, services and infrastructure then they wouldn't look for it in Europe.

 

[Alo0oy]

Sparta in the Middle Ages...you need some history lessons my friend.

You know what I meant lol.

 

[ClosingADoor]

My family are "boat people", I feel extremely strongly about this issue and anyone who takes it upon themselves to turn back refugees fleeing to better lands deserves to be thrown out into the sea

To say someone doesn't deserve to have a better life because of them not having the good fortune to be born in a western country is fucking so vile

When talking about individual cases, yes, this is very true. But when we are talking about hundreds of thousands of people, it just isn't sustainable to allow everyone to come. How are we supposed to give these people a better live, a job, a good future, when the numbers are simply too large to handle?

 

[kruis]

You must lack empathy then if that's your attitude. I may not want to let in false asylum seekers either but at least I think "yeah, I empathize with the motives for illegal migration". My parents came from a comparatively shitty country in SE Asia to the UK, and that's the only reason why I live in Europe today. If I wasn't so lucky then I probably wouldn't have the living standards I do now (even though I complain about how shit the UK is and I want to move to places like the Netherlands). You're speaking from a real position of privilege here. And you brought up not even taking in genuine asylum seekers in the first place. Your attitude is pretty terrible, to be honest.

I'm a realist. I'm against taking any more asylum seekers, but I'm all for spending more money to help refugees in the region. That way you can help far, far more people than when you accept a couple of hundred thousand lucky asylum seekers while leaving millions of others to rot in godwaful refugee camps. IMO the ultimate goal of any war refugee should be to return to their old home when it's safe, not to immigrate to countries thousands of kilometers away.

Syria has become much safer in the last year, almost half a million people have already returned. But how many Syrians in western Europe will go back?

 

[kruis]

"Make their home countries better" is a bit of an interesting take I have to say but you've pointed to the solution. If these people had a prosperous nation to call home with jobs, services and infrastructure then they wouldn't look for it in Europe.

As long as there is economic inequality people will want to move to more prosperous countries. That's why I mentioned Albanian asylum seekers. Albania is a country in southeastern Europe, its citizens obviously have no reason whatsoever to seek asylum in western Europe but still they do in large numbers.

Thousands of asylum seekers from 'safe' Albania arrive in France

Albanians continue exodus to Germany

Albanian Asylum-Seeker Numbers in Germany Rise Again

 

[JORMBO]

From the article:

In 2016, 180,000 migrants landed in Italy from Libya.

That is the large amount of people to have land in a country for one year. What do you do with all those people? How many jobs are there for that many people when a large amount of them may not be highly skilled? Does a country pay for these people's housing/healthcare etc? If so, how many people can a country support like that? What is the limit?

From a culutural perspective that is a lot of people who also may not share the same values or speak the same language. How do you help these people fit in when such a large amount of them suddenly come over?

I think immigration is great but there are a lot of legitimate questions to be asked when there are large amounts of people coming over on their own in short periods of time. The answer I see online and even throughout this thread always seem to be "shut up white supremist" though.

(from the article perspective I don't think private organizations should be helping people travel either way)

 

[Spectone]

As long as there is economic inequality people will want to move to more prosperous countries. That's why I mentioned Albanian asylum seekers. Albania is a country in southeastern Europe, its citizens obviously have no reason whatsoever to seek asylum in western Europe but still they do in large numbers.

Thousands of asylum seekers from 'safe' Albania arrive in France

Albanians continue exodus to Germany

Albanian Asylum-Seeker Numbers in Germany Rise Again

Do you actually know any refugees personally? Have you heard them speak about what it is like?

 

[Nere]

Do you actually know any refugees personally? Have you heard them speak about what it is like?

What refugees? Did you read the articles he posted? Do you know where Albania is? Do you know the difference between a refugee and an economic immigrant?

 

[Ac30]

From the article:


That is the large amount of people to have land in a country for one year. What do you do with all those people? How many jobs are there for that many people when a large amount of them may not be highly skilled? Does a country pay for these people's housing/healthcare etc? If so, how many people can a country support like that? What is the limit?

From a culutural perspective that is a lot of people who also may not share the same values or speak the same language. How do you help these people fit in when such a large amount of them suddenly come over?

I think immigration is great but there are a lot of legitimate questions to be asked when there are large amounts of people coming over on their own in short periods of time. The answer I see online and even throughout this thread always seem to be "shut up white supremist" though.

If you go on r/Europe you'll find plenty of people saying the exact opposite. Plenty there seems to think that immigrants are degenerate rapists. The real issue is that there's no easy solutions to this, and the EU dragging its feet isn't helping.

As long as there is economic inequality people will want to move to more prosperous countries. That's why I mentioned Albanian asylum seekers. Albania is a country in southeastern Europe, its citizens obviously have no reason whatsoever to seek asylum in western Europe but still they do in large numbers.

Thousands of asylum seekers from 'safe' Albania arrive in France

Albanians continue exodus to Germany

Albanian Asylum-Seeker Numbers in Germany Rise Again

Which is why foreign development aid is so important. I'm glad the EU seems to realise that, at least.

Also off-topic but I'm annoyed that a thread on limiting pornography gets many more hits than this, ugh.

 

[Shredderi]

So they're basically some vigilantes? Yeah fuck off with that, that's gonna lead to nothing bad misery for everyone.

 

[Elfotografoalocado]

What refugees? Did you read the articles he posted? Do you know where Albania is? Do you know the difference between a refugee and an economic immigrant?

The line is blurred. Try live in any of the countries in that list of so-called filthy economic migrants, then come back and tell whether your life is in danger or not. Say, West African countries, they may not be in open wars, but there is corruption, violence, terrorism, sectarian conflict, terrible job prospects, deficient healthcare and sanitation... Do you, in your developed, peaceful country, have the right to say who can try and go for a better life and who can't?
The fact that people go into debt and risk their lifes to come here tells something. Maybe we should listen more.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Do you actually know any refugees personally? Have you heard them speak about what it is like?

Albania is not at war. There are no refugees there.

 

[Poodlestrike]

These ass clowns are gonna run into somebody, I just know it.

 

[IaN_GAF]

Seeing some people casually use the term migrant and refugee interchangeably is rather odd, having been one but definitely not the other myself.

 

[kruis]

The line is blurred. Try live in any of the countries in that list of so-called filthy economic migrants, then come back and tell whether your life is in danger or not. Say, West African countries, they may not be in open wars, but there is corruption, violence, terrorism, sectarian conflict, terrible job prospects, deficient healthcare and sanitation... Do you, in your developed, peaceful country, have the right to say who can try and go for a better life and who can't?

Absolutely. That's why we have nation states, passports, border controls, immigration policies, armies, etc etc. You can't simply go to any country on earth and take up residence there just like that. You'll be considered an illegal and will be deported. That's how it goes in every country on earth (with the exception of a few places where the nation state has collapsed and chaos reigns).

 

[Spectone]

What refugees? Did you read the articles he posted? Do you know where Albania is? Do you know the difference between a refugee and an economic immigrant?

You know I had a friend her husband was a doctor or lawyer I don't remember that bit. When her country went to shit they rounded up all the intellectuals they could and killed them. She escaped but her husband was killed. She lived in one of those countries that is on the list of supposed safe countries on the previous page.

That is what I am talking about and those are some of the refugees coming by boat to Europe.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

Because it's extra risky for them to travel with big groups of middle aged men.

I'm not sure what is worse, that the women are left behind to the warzone or that these refugees can't supposedly not restrain themselves from hurting women?

 

[kruis]

I'm not sure what is worse, that the women are left behind to the warzone or that these refugees can't supposedly not restrain themselves from hurting women?

It's been said a few times: these people aren't refugees, they're not fleeing war zones. Did you look at the chart I posted?

 

[Simon-chan]

From the article:


That is the large amount of people to have land in a country for one year. What do you do with all those people? How many jobs are there for that many people when a large amount of them may not be highly skilled? Does a country pay for these people's housing/healthcare etc? If so, how many people can a country support like that? What is the limit?

From a culutural perspective that is a lot of people who also may not share the same values or speak the same language. How do you help these people fit in when such a large amount of them suddenly come over?

I think immigration is great but there are a lot of legitimate questions to be asked when there are large amounts of people coming over on their own in short periods of time. The answer I see online and even throughout this thread always seem to be "shut up white supremist" though.

(from the article perspective I don't think private organizations should be helping people travel either way)

And the EU doesn't give a flying fuck.
Meanwhile the Austrian government called the army to guard the border with Italy.
But hey, if we complain we're the racists.

People should seriously realize that the world isn't just black and white.
That the choice isn't just being either a nazi or a no border. There are several layers in between.

I'm a leftist, but I want a saner immigration policy. We just can't keep this up forever.

Sorry for the rant. Btw, I find this vigilante thing despicable.

 

[Sunster]

Horror and war?? You must be kidding. Just about every migrant who crosses over from Libiya to Italy comes from a safe country:

https://twitter.com/FranckenTheo/status/882461180257857536

a lot of those countries have boko haram and are considered unsafe for travel.

 

[KUON.0101]

Absolutely. That's why we have nation states, passports, border controls, immigration policies, armies, etc etc. You can't simply go to any country on earth and take up residence there just like that. You'll be considered an illegal and will be deported. That's how it goes in every country on earth (with the exception of a few places where the nation state has collapsed and chaos reigns).

hahahahahhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha

Where was this opinion during hundred years of colonization???

Karma is a bitch. I hope many more refugees and immigrants arrive here. Welcome to the promised land!

 

[ClosingADoor]

hahahahahhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha

Where was this opinion during hundred years of colonization???

Karma is a bitch. I hope many more refugees and immigrants arrive here. Welcome to the promised land!

I don't see anyone in here defending colonization? Also strange you hope more people are going to travel through the desert, risk being left behind by smugglers and die, go on a boat to sink and then get into a camp with little future prospects.

I also don't see anyone against immigration. Western countries should help people with regulated immigration, so their families can come over safe, they can go into the workforce quickly and don't have to risk their lives.

a lot of those countries have boko haram and are considered unsafe for travel.

Boko Haram is active in northeastern Nigeria, Chad, Niger and Cameroon. And only in parts of those countries.

You know I had a friend her husband was a doctor or lawyer I don't remember that bit. When her country went to shit they rounded up all the intellectuals they could and killed them. She escaped but her husband was killed. She lived in one of those countries that is on the list of supposed safe countries on the previous page.

That is what I am talking about and those are some of the refugees coming by boat to Europe.

Albania is a candidate for EU membership. So we are helping them already. People are not being rounded up and shot there.

 

[Kill Your Masters]

a lot of those countries have boko haram and are considered unsafe for travel.

Yeah seriously, I wouldn't call most of them safe in the sense of what we westerners think is safe.

I have been saying this even before the refugee crisis. We reap what we sow. 3rd world countries have been abused by us, this is essentially payback. Or a butterfly effect. Or whatever you want to call it. Everything has consequences and we can't run away from ours.

 

[IaN_GAF]

a lot of those countries have boko haram and are considered unsafe for travel.

Could I respectfully request a source for the claim that "a lot of those countries have boko haram"?

 

[His Majesty]

Could I respectfully request a source for the claim that "a lot of those countries have boko haram"?

Nigeria does, the rest not really I think. Or maybe Guinea also.

 

[Nere]

You know I had a friend her husband was a doctor or lawyer I don't remember that bit. When her country went to shit they rounded up all the intellectuals they could and killed them. She escaped but her husband was killed. She lived in one of those countries that is on the list of supposed safe countries on the previous page.

That is what I am talking about and those are some of the refugees coming by boat to Europe.

Okey thanks for confirming that you have neither an idea where Albania is nor how are things there.

 

[LeleSocho]

This situation needs to be fixed somehow, Italy can't take hundreds of thousands of immigrants every year but we can't just let people die in the sea.
This trafficking needs to stop from land.

 

[KUON.0101]

I don't see anyone in here defending colonization? Also strange you hope more people are going to travel through the desert, risk being left behind by smugglers and die, go on a boat to sink and then get into a camp with little future prospects.

My reply is more linked to the feeling "that you don't just take residence anywhere". We Europeans did it for ages. Or immigration from here to the New world. I don't believe the Native Americans wanted us there. But still people went.

I am always surprised how narrow minded Europeans can be about this subject. People will always look for better lives, we did it as well. And so will others.

 

[Sunster]

Could I respectfully request a source for the claim that "a lot of those countries have boko haram"?

http://www.zif-berlin.org/en/analys...rations/africa/boko-haram-affected-areas.html